Those are the types of gambles that you can't take in a 1-0 game and in a playoff race. Not sure the 2nd goal was Leddy's fault and the 3rd goal was a blowout on him (which will happen from time to time) and was more of a fluke goal. I've been as tough on Leddy as anyone but I'm not pinning last night's loss on him. Hossa's selfish play cost the Hawks the game, yet no one wants to call him out on it. If Patrick Kane did that, half this board would want him traded today.

What's fair is fair, Hos cost the Hawks last night. Not the blue line, CC, John Scott, Bickell, Frolik, Bowman, McD, or anyone else that fans love to pin losses/struggles on. Hossa.
- dan9189

we get it, you dont like Hossa.

Hossa is a gamblin' type of player. always has been. its why he gets behind the defense for the long stretch pass breakaway so often. normally it doesnt burn him, last nite it did...it happens. hossa makes that play 9 of 10 times. when patrick kane and all the others you listed gets to the defensive level of hossa, then they will be excused for their gaffes as well on occassion. still a bad play but hossa is one of the more trusted hawks on plays liek this

my .02

So the fact it has been pointed out that Hossa had ZERO to do with the 2nd and 3rd goal, you are still harping this point..

What's your beef with Hossa?
- victorymc98

Now sure where I'm wrong here, Hossa admittedly after the game wore the loss which takes some balls. I have no beef with him but his undisciplined play last night lost the game for them. It was all Dallas after that, huge momentum shifter. The 2nd and 3rd goals never happen if not for that play. Dallas wasn't even interested in the game up to that point.

nice to see sb not even bid on carter - even worse than my sarcastic frolik & a fifth.
grabo is worth a 1st- make it conditional if you like - but good god man (stanbo), help this team!
his objective should be to put this team in a position to compete for the cup. they are not there right now, this season.
go overpay for a 4D and a 2c or a wing - make this team competitive for the cup.
is that too much to ask as a paying fan??

I think the hawks are unwilling to trade their first rounder because there is a player they love in this years draft and could be available by time their pick comes up. The only guy I think of is Malcolm Subban, makes sence due to the lack of top goaltender prospects.

Who scored the Goal to make it 1-0 for the Hawks..
- victorymc98

I was going to make that point. But I didn't want to be too wordy

I think the hawks are unwilling to trade their first rounder because there is a player they love in this years draft and could be available by time their pick comes up. The only guy I think of is Malcolm Subban, makes sence due to the lack of top goaltender prospects.
- barth 39

This sounds reasonable, but it would be a big risk for Stan to take. If Stan has an oppportunity to improve the team he should take it, then worry about the draft in June. There's not guarantee that Malcolm will be available for the Blackhawks pick anyway.

I say that yesterday's loss goes to everyone ...except maybe Crow! Your defense lacked in the final 20 minutes, you still had ppl trying to cheat and get a odd man/breakaway #81 & #88, Coach Q went back to line changing during the game. Yesterday was the first time I would've like to see more of Jammer & Scott! The Hawks get out hit 40 to 20 (don't know exact # but I know im close) is madning! C2 kept you in the game and was making save after save. The guy can't play defense for you too. Leddy no reason for you to be falling down in your own zone when no one is near you.and yet AGAIN leddy is off drifting while 2every Stars players are sitting right in front of C2 (2nd goal I believe).
Don't understand how this team has crubbled so quickly. Injuries happen, and the team/individuals need to stop relying so much on #19! Be that guy...be the guy who says "Ill take the lead," I just don't see it in the players we have on the ice and I'm sorry to say that. I really am!

Lastly....Bowmanplease stop with your grudge of not wanting to give up this years or next years 1stdraft rd pick. They're crap shoots! U get a guy who's early or mid 20's now, they just saved you time of waiting to see what you got in the minors. You know exactly what your trading for! Whether it be a 2ndline Centre, a Winger who has sandpaper, or a big nasty stay at home Defenseman. You can get the same type of player from pick #20 as you can in the 2nd rd at #55.
- CaptnSerious

AMEN

NINE TIMES!
- eburgio

Now sure where I'm wrong here, Hossa admittedly after the game wore the loss which takes some balls. I have no beef with him but his undisciplined play last night lost the game for them. It was all Dallas after that, huge momentum shifter. The 2nd and 3rd goals never happen if not for that play. Dallas wasn't even interested in the game up to that point.
- dan9189

Sorry that to me is



After the Hossa Goal in the 2nd, why didn't the Hawks score 2-3 more times then?

This sounds reasonable, but it would be a big risk for Stan to take. If Stan has an oppportunity to improve the team he should take it, then worry about the draft in June. There's not guarantee that Malcolm will be available for the Blackhawks pick anyway.
- DarthKane

while i agree, I don't want stan giving up that pick if its gonna be for a rental. it has to be something significant this year and next, if not beyond, like Detroit did with Quincey in the sense that they will use him to replace stuart next year.

we get it, you dont like Hossa.

Hossa is a gamblin' type of player. always has been. its why he gets behind the defense for the long stretch pass breakaway so often. normally it doesnt burn him, last nite it did...it happens. hossa makes that play 9 of 10 times. when patrick kane and all the others you listed gets to the defensive level of hossa, then they will be excused for their gaffes as well on occassion. still a bad play but hossa is one of the more trusted hawks on plays liek this

my .02
- GlibGlob

First off I like Hossa.

Your paragraph sums up why this loss is even more infuriating, because Hossa is a better and smarter player than that and should know better. He obviously is one of the more trusted guys on the team but even those guys shouldn't be excused from a bad play that costs the team.

Sorry that to me is



After the Hossa Goal in the 2nd, why didn't the Hawks score 2-3 more times then?
- victorymc98

Fine you guys are right, it's all Leddy's fault. Hossa had nothing to do with the loss. Carry on.

Can't believe you wrote this:

It is not about “value” in this market, where teams win bidding wars only by what some call “overpayment.” It is about actual intent.

If you wrote: "It's not only about value...", then I'd be OK. But here in this context, you're missing a key point on payment: Boundry Conditions. The market defines boundry conditions. It then gets to intent; on that part I whole-heartedly agree. This whole thing of being hung up on a potentially lower 3rd of the round pick is insane.

Dennis Bernstein ‏ @DennisTFP
Since we're on topic of locker room chemistry, heard at Kings practice from NHL source that tone around Blackhawks not exactly nirvana.
- droe411

WOW !!! That source is Richard effing Tracy. Sure took a rocket scientist to figure that one out, eh? Guess this guy is trying to out Twitter other twits.

Has anyone heard anything more regarding Toews? (or any of the other injuries?) I know it's all hush hush but was wondering maybe if there were any whispers about the Toews and Monty situations.

Between no moves made and a loss almost as dispiriting as the Edmonton debacle, yesterday was an awful day for Hawks followers.

Is it possible that Stan is so boring that other GMs fall asleep during their negotiating sessions and hang up?

If nothing gets done here, so much of what took place this past summer makes absolutely no sense, including the Campbell situation. When it happened, it made perfect sense to me. Right now, not so much.

After last year's experience in the WC, how did the issue of parity escape this guy? Wait until now when there are few sellers?

SI published an article last week that reported that the Hawks are at the top when it comes to NHL players' desire for city, organization and venue. So where is everybody?

I don't understand either why they won't give up a 1st rd pick especially since they had 've had/acquired 15 guys in the first two rounds of the past 3 drafts (Leddy, Paradis, Olsen, Morin, Pirri, Hayes brothers, Rensfeldt, Holl, Simpson, Johns, McNeill, Danault, Clendening and Saad). That's unacceptable especially if it's going to be a late round pick.

Also I disagree with you totally on blaming the blue line for last night's loss. That loss is 100% on Hossa because he decided to cheat and do the same crap they did that got them in the 9 game skid. That play turned the whole game and Dallas had NOTHING up till that point. Every loss is not the blue line's fault, the defense was smothering last night for the majority of the game till Hos tried to get cute.

Just cause Hossa is an all world player doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve to get called out, he does because he single handedly cost the Hawks the game last night.
- dan9189

You're certainly entitled to your view, but don't forget, Hossa also put the Hawks up 1-0 and absolutely ATE a howitzer off the blade of Sheldon Souray, who doesn't fire love taps. It's one game, we're ok.

Bowman simply cannot be defended if he doesn't make a big move because a 1st rd pick is involved. He's done a nice job of restocking the farm so much so that some of those guys will most likely have to be moved just because of the log jams that are going to occur. Trading what can be a late 1st this year won't kill him or set back the system.

JJ...nice tidbits. Roy's the only guy that interests me and yet, he's another smurf.

We need SIZE, GRIT, AND COMPETENCE. No midgets or re-treads PUH-leeze Stan Bum.

Between no moves made and a loss almost as dispiriting as the Edmonton debacle, yesterday was an awful day for Hawks followers.

Is it possible that Stan is so boring that other GMs fall asleep during their negotiating sessions and hang up?

If nothing gets done here, so much of what took place this past summer makes absolutely no sense, including the Campbell situation. When it happened, it made perfect sense to me. Right now, not so much.

After last year's experience in the WC, how did the issue of parity escape this guy? Wait until now when there are few sellers?

SI published an article last week that reported that the Hawks are at the top when it comes to NHL players' desire for city, organization and venue. So where is everybody?
- HealthyScratch1

They're out there. However as several here pointed out, if there isn't the desire by the FO to go get them - whatever the real reason(s) are - all the "I'd love to play in ChiTown" doesn't mean squat leading to the trade deadline.

Fine you guys are right, it's all Leddy's fault. Hossa had nothing to do with the loss. Carry on.
- dan9189

I'm not stating that at all either.. The TEAM lost the game in the 3rd period. They forgot how to play DEF it seemed.

They're out there. However as several here pointed out, if there isn't the desire by the FO to go get them - whatever the real reason(s) are - all the "I'd love to play in ChiTown" doesn't mean squat leading to the trade deadline.
- blackhawk24

Exactly my point.

Has anyone heard anything more regarding Toews? (or any of the other injuries?) I know it's all hush hush but was wondering maybe if there were any whispers about the Toews and Monty situations.
- Lido_Shuffle

If you read between the lines, I'm guessing Toews will be back by the Toronto game because they have been saying that he's progressing. Hammer must have suffered a set back because he's not traveling on the So Cal trip and the Montador situation doesn't sound good at all.

Along with making a few trades the Hawks got to get healthy too even if it means being a lower seed come playoff time. The Central is out of reach now so just play well enough to get in and get healthy.

I'm not stating that at all either.. The TEAM lost the game in the 3rd period. They forgot how to play DEF it seemed.
- victorymc98

+1 They all played like 40 minutes was the game length, not 60. Some times SOG doesn't tell the story enough. Last night it did. Periods 1 & 2 for Dallas = 10. Period 3 = 15.

Fine you guys are right, it's all Leddy's fault. Hossa had nothing to do with the loss. Carry on.
- dan9189

Bro, no one is saying its all Leddy's fault! Its the entire teams fault. Hossa took the inside lane on the Stars first goal when he shoulda took the boards side (Enzo pointed that out.) The 2nd goal Hossa had time to clear the puck and blindly passed it right to the defense & that's where Leddy either fell down when no one was around him or was off drifting leaving Seabs to guard 2 players. Its fine it you have love for a certain player. Praise them when they do well, that's great! But, best believe ill fault them when they make dumb plays when they should know they're position/game. I like the way the team way playing during the 4 game win streak, but you get the same stuff that always happens #88 trying to make the highlight reels instead of playing dump & chase or just getting it on net. Stop with the damn dangling and head dekes when Dallas is stacking the blue line. Players just floating in the neutral zone waiting for the puck to come to them..uncalled for and no excuse for iit Its called despiration...Hawks should have that running thru their blood right about now wouldn't you say!?!