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rynomw2369
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: kirkwood, MO
Joined: 02.05.2009

Feb 25 @ 1:15 AM ET
Nash is a superstar but his team no longer wants him or the contract they deemed him to be worth. Enough said. He'd be a great add on to a team that is built for a big run, no argument there, and yes, he's one of the elite power forwards in the game. But to me, he looks like the next Dany Heatley.
- philco28

Ding ding.... We have a winner Johnny!!!!!!!! And what happened to Heatley? Oh yea, his numbers have tailed off and he is no longer a consistent one dimensional guy who puts up 100 points a year anymore. Uh oh...
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Feb 25 @ 8:00 AM ET
Amen Paulish. You're doing the right thing. Your son will find the thing that lights him up. It still may be hockey. If not, no big deal.

I will say .. "learn to skate" for little guys sometimes is a loser. My youngest did those and HE was also bored. In fact, the youngest can barely tolerate positional drills where the only thing that is done is a faceoff and an initial move to an area. HE HATES stuff like that. But he has to learn.

As they get older they'll start to understand the value of skating. Hell, I take skating lessons every two weeks and all I do is play adult hockey. It's not fun doing crap like one footed 3-point turns and working outer edges while going backwards, but I see the results when I play. Eventually the kids will too.

You wanna get your boy a fare shot into hockey? Try this...Suit him up and take him to a stick-n-shoot (or stick-n-puck, whatever they are called in your area), give him a stick and let him chase a puck around the ice.

My youngest loathed the learn to skate stuff..SnowPlay Sam 1...etc etc...although that's how you learn to skate, but when I put him in gear and we went to play hockey he had a blast. Yours may as well.

Edit: if he's a baseball player do this ONE thing for me. DONT YELL Elbow Up to him...the biggest, fraudulent myth in baseball history. The elbow up came from a drunken tavern somewhere. Hands up? Sure...but forget the elbow up crap. "Squash the bug" is more silliness. Don't do that either.

- kwolf68



Amen on the elbow squish the bug stuff. I was fortunate to play a few years of minor league baseball. I was of marginal talent, but learned and worked hard.

That is the lesson I try to give my kids (4 of them under 10) I expose them to all sorts of sports and activities. The goal not to push, but discover talent and passion. I still play and compete hard at 41 playing baseball and hockey.

Sports and activities are vehicles for success and growth. Not measured by million dollar contracts, but by learning valuable lessons of hard work and perseverance. Accomplishing goals and the gratification of seeing work= something is the key. So down the road in life, as challenges present themselves, they will be able to have the composure and poise to work through adversity and not just roll over when faced with a challenge.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 25 @ 8:37 AM ET
Um, no.... Get it through your head... How many cups has Nash won? Think before you speak because Nash is extremely over fricken rated. I will give that he is great, but I will take sharp any day over Nash and that isnt a bias decision either. Sharp puts up consistent numbers every year as well as can play forward and center, and he is super fast. The only he doesnt have is a big body to knock people around, but a guy with his skills doesn't need a big body to smash people into the boards. Whoopty doo.... So, nash outdoes Sharp in one area... But again how many consistent years has Nash had, and how many stanley cups has he won. I would like to choke you right now you're such a moron.
- rynomw2369

I'm going to tell you why you are dead wrong in the Sharp - Nash discussion.

In the 2010 Olympics, Mike Babcock put Nash head to head against Ovechkin in the game against the Russians and he shut the Great 8 down completely. Do you honestly think Sharp could ever do that?

In the 2007 or 2008 World Championships, Nash played on a line with Joe Thornton and excelled; scored the winning goal in the Gold Medal game with a defenceman hanging on his back in tight quarters. With Columbus, he's never had much of a center and with that useless organization it's hard to soar like an eagle when you are flying with a bunch of turkeys.

I can understand you liking Sharp, I like him plenty too and he was a fine contributor on a Cup winner. But to choose Sharpy over Nash as the better player is just wrong.

If they were horses, Nash = Secretariat and by comparison Sharp and Jeff Carter are real good quarter horses.

Huge trouble if Nash ends up in Detroit next season when they have the money to pay him and Scotty B knows that real well. Hawks better be in on Nash now because another good team will be.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 25 @ 8:40 AM ET
Amen on the elbow squish the bug stuff. I was fortunate to play a few years of minor league baseball. I was of marginal talent, but learned and worked hard.

That is the lesson I try to give my kids (4 of them under 10) I expose them to all sorts of sports and activities. The goal not to push, but discover talent and passion. I still play and compete hard at 41 playing baseball and hockey.

Sports and activities are vehicles for success and growth. Not measured by million dollar contracts, but by learning valuable lessons of hard work and perseverance.
Accomplishing goals and the gratification of seeing work= something is the key. So down the road in life, as challenges present themselves, they will be able to have the composure and poise to work through adversity and not just roll over when faced with a challenge.

- TrueGrit

Can't be said any better man.
andru2797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Laval, QC
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 25 @ 8:40 AM ET
I'm going to tell you why you are dead wrong in the Sharp - Nash discussion.

In the 2010 Olympics, Mike Babcock put Nash head to head against Ovechkin in the game against the Russians and he shut the Great 8 down completely. Do you honestly think Sharp could ever do that?

In the 2007 or 2008 World Championships, Nash played on a line with Joe Thornton and excelled; scored the winning goal in the Gold Medal game with a defenceman hanging on his back in tight quarters. With Columbus, he's never had much of a center and with that useless organization it's hard to soar like an eagle when you are flying with a bunch of turkeys.

I can understand you liking Sharp, I like him plenty too and he was a fine contributor on a Cup winner. But to choose Sharpy over Nash as the better player is just wrong.

If they were horses, Nash = Secretariat and by comparison Sharp and Jeff Carter are real good quarter horses.

Huge trouble if Nash ends up in Detroit next season when they have the money to pay him and Scotty B knows that real well. Hawks better be in on Nash now because another good team will be.

- RickJ


You guys missed my original point. I do believe Nash is better than Sharp. What I DON'T believe is that Nash helps this team right now more than Sharp + Stalberg + a 1st.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 25 @ 8:52 AM ET
You guys missed my original point. I do believe Nash is better than Sharp. What I DON'T believe is that Nash helps this team right now more than Sharp + Stalberg + a 1st.
- andru2797

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I happen to think he would be a huge boost to the team and you don't. I got no problem with that. But the buyer has to give to get and the price is determined by how many committed buyers with good assets there are.

It may turn out there is no team willing to spend what's necessary. But I'd rather have Nash added to this team than secondary types like Roy, Gaustad, Plekanec, Little etc.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Feb 25 @ 8:55 AM ET
JJ thinks its the Chicago Blackhawks or the Vancouver Canucks
- mrpaulish


Could also be Montreal
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 25 @ 8:56 AM ET
Um, no.... Get it through your head... How many cups has Nash won? Think before you speak because Nash is extremely over fricken rated. I will give that he is great, but I will take sharp any day over Nash and that isnt a bias decision either. Sharp puts up consistent numbers every year as well as can play forward and center, and he is super fast. The only he doesnt have is a big body to knock people around, but a guy with his skills doesn't need a big body to smash people into the boards. Whoopty doo.... So, nash outdoes Sharp in one area... But again how many consistent years has Nash had, and how many stanley cups has he won. I would like to choke you right now you're such a moron.
- rynomw2369


kopecky and eager won a cup too.. Cleary they are better than Nash as well.
Leerock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:00 AM ET
Could also be Montreal
- John Jaeckel


up early....Ek took your Brassard rumor and ran with it
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Feb 25 @ 9:03 AM ET
I'll get a blog up later today. Posted what I know on the Brassard thing on the main HB page rumor section.

I have confirmation of interest by the Hawks and discussion with the Blue Jackets from two sources. How imminent a trade is and who the players are, I don't know.

I hear the asking price is: a rostered player, prospect and pick. I heard Pirri mentioned specifically as the prospect the Hawks would offer/are offering—but that seemed almost speculative when I heard it.

I think what everyone needs to prepare for is that prices have not gone down, they've gone up. Look at the Zidlicky deal.

The asking price for Roy, Grabovski and Brassard all seems pretty consistent: rostered player, prospect and pick (and I think to win in any of these, the pick is going to have be a late 1st rounder).

At the end of the day, the question is this: do you want to improve this team for a run this year, or do you want to take your chances that the prospects/picks you don't trade away will all develop (which are not high).

The feedback I am getting from 95% of the fans I talk to is Bowman is being way to cautious.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Feb 25 @ 9:06 AM ET
up early....Ek took your Brassard rumor and ran with it
- Leerock


No, I posted that. He tweeted something early last night though about a Brassard trade being close.
Leerock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:08 AM ET
I'll get a blog up later today. Posted what I know on the Brassard thing on the main HB page rumor section.

I have confirmation of interest by the Hawks and discussion with the Blue Jackets from two sources. How imminent a trade is and who the players are, I don't know.

I hear the asking price is: a rostered player, prospect and pick. I heard Pirri mentioned specifically as the prospect the Hawks would offer/are offering—but that seemed almost speculative when I heard it.

I think what everyone needs to prepare for is that prices have not gone down, they've gone up. Look at the Zidlicky deal.

The asking price for Roy, Grabovski and Brassard all seems pretty consistent: rostered player, prospect and pick (and I think to win in any of these, the pick is going to have be a late 1st rounder).

At the end of the day, the question is this: do you want to improve this team for a run this year, or do you want to take your chances that the prospects/picks you don't trade away will all develop (which are not high).

The feedback I am getting from 95% of the fans I talk to is Bowman is being way to cautious.

- John Jaeckel


Seemed a lot for 35 yr old Zidlicky. Seems Grabo and Brass would cost what Jersey gave up. Think I would want to extend Grabo before shelling out that much. Don't think Roy is worth as much.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:10 AM ET
anyone hear if we are IN on brassard or is that just another duck blowing a big beer fart in the water like the in on carter/nash talk was!
although i HOPE stan is talking to the bus about nash!

- wonthecup10

LMFAO !
andru2797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Laval, QC
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:12 AM ET
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I happen to think he would be a huge boost to the team and you don't. I got no problem with that. But the buyer has to give to get and the price is determined by how many committed buyers with good assets there are.

It may turn out there is no team willing to spend what's necessary. But I'd rather have Nash added to this team than secondary types like Roy, Gaustad, Plekanec, Little etc.

- RickJ


No argument there...but I'd rather have let's say Sharp AND Brassard/Roy/Plekanec AND Stalberg AND possibly a 4-5 Dman in that case, which is very plausible, then just Nash. You acquire Nash, and there's virtually no chance to acquire another significant asset. That's my problem with this team trading for Nash right now.

Acquire him at the draft for example and it's a different ball game.
andru2797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Laval, QC
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:12 AM ET
Seemed a lot for 35 yr old Zidlicky. Seems Grabo and Brass would cost what Jersey gave up. Think I would want to extend Grabo before shelling out that much. Don't think Roy is worth as much.
- Leerock


Not a lot of quality assets...just a lot of assets.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:17 AM ET
I'm going to tell you why you are dead wrong in the Sharp - Nash discussion.

In the 2010 Olympics, Mike Babcock put Nash head to head against Ovechkin in the game against the Russians and he shut the Great 8 down completely. Do you honestly think Sharp could ever do that?

In the 2007 or 2008 World Championships, Nash played on a line with Joe Thornton and excelled; scored the winning goal in the Gold Medal game with a defenceman hanging on his back in tight quarters. With Columbus, he's never had much of a center and with that useless organization it's hard to soar like an eagle when you are flying with a bunch of turkeys.

I can understand you liking Sharp, I like him plenty too and he was a fine contributor on a Cup winner. But to choose Sharpy over Nash as the better player is just wrong.

If they were horses, Nash = Secretariat and by comparison Sharp and Jeff Carter are real good quarter horses.

Huge trouble if Nash ends up in Detroit next season when they have the money to pay him and Scotty B knows that real well. Hawks better be in on Nash now because another good team will be.

- RickJ



Nash isn't even a Grade 1 horse....and Sharp is a GRADED STAKES horse...notice the ring on his hand. C'Mon man.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:18 AM ET
Seemed a lot for 35 yr old Zidlicky. Seems Grabo and Brass would cost what Jersey gave up. Think I would want to extend Grabo before shelling out that much. Don't think Roy is worth as much.
- Leerock

If healthy and motivated, Roy is a better player than Grabovski. Change of scenery is what's probably needed for Roy.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:20 AM ET
No argument there...but I'd rather have let's say Sharp AND Brassard/Roy/Plekanec AND Stalberg AND possibly a 4-5 Dman in that case, which is very plausible, then just Nash. You acquire Nash, and there's virtually no chance to acquire another significant asset. That's my problem with this team trading for Nash right now.

Acquire him at the draft for example and it's a different ball game.

- andru2797

That's a fair point and probably what they are looking to do.
Leerock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:21 AM ET
If healthy and motivated, Roy is a better player than Grabovski. Change of scenery is what's probably needed for Roy.
- RickJ




those are big IFS
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:23 AM ET
Nash isn't even a Grade 1 horse....and Sharp is a GRADED STAKES horse...notice the ring on his hand. C'Mon man.
- philco28

I'd love to run that absurd statement past the scouting community. They would have urine running down their legs from laughing so hard.
Dojodan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 08.27.2008

Feb 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
I'll get a blog up later today. Posted what I know on the Brassard thing on the main HB page rumor section.

I have confirmation of interest by the Hawks and discussion with the Blue Jackets from two sources. How imminent a trade is and who the players are, I don't know.

I hear the asking price is: a rostered player, prospect and pick. I heard Pirri mentioned specifically as the prospect the Hawks would offer/are offering—but that seemed almost speculative when I heard it.

I think what everyone needs to prepare for is that prices have not gone down, they've gone up. Look at the Zidlicky deal.

The asking price for Roy, Grabovski and Brassard all seems pretty consistent: rostered player, prospect and pick (and I think to win in any of these, the pick is going to have be a late 1st rounder).

At the end of the day, the question is this: do you want to improve this team for a run this year, or do you want to take your chances that the prospects/picks you don't trade away will all develop (which are not high).

The feedback I am getting from 95% of the fans I talk to is Bowman is being way to cautious.

- John Jaeckel



If you land Brassard at 3.5 for three more years you have your secound line center position set. who cares about a first pick this year Bowman needs to make it happen.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
No argument there...but I'd rather have let's say Sharp AND Brassard/Roy/Plekanec AND Stalberg AND possibly a 4-5 Dman in that case, which is very plausible, then just Nash. You acquire Nash, and there's virtually no chance to acquire another significant asset. That's my problem with this team trading for Nash right now.

Acquire him at the draft for example and it's a different ball game.

- andru2797



you are forgetting that by getting Nash now the hawks control where he goes. That's important considering three teams in on him seem to be San Jose, Detroit, Nashville.... All teams you could face in the postseason.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:29 AM ET
I'd love to run that absurd statement past the scouting community. They would have urine running down their legs from laughing so hard.
- RickJ


Yeah...i wonder if the folks, scouts and GM in Columbus are laughing. Nash has been to the playoffs ONCE and he's been there 9 YEARS.
Leerock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 25 @ 9:35 AM ET
Yeah...i wonder if the folks, scouts and GM in Columbus are laughing. Nash has been to the playoffs ONCE and he's been there 9 YEARS.
- philco28





You know why? His team has sucked. Guess Ernie Banks was a garbage player too, after all how many playoff games did he play in? Duh.....
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Feb 25 @ 9:37 AM ET
You know why? His team has sucked. Guess Ernie Banks was a garbage player too, after all how many playoff games did he play in? Duh.....
- Leerock



No shhhhhhhhhhit Sherlock...but supposedly GREAT PLAYERS...can lift their teams to the playoffs. The "all world" Nash has been there ONCE in 9 YEARS.

And when Banks played, only a handful of teams made the playoffs...not 16 like in the NHL. Try again.
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