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Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Feb 24 @ 11:00 AM ET
Seriosuly, when I saw the pic it reminded me of pretty much every night of my life while I was in university. Getting drunk with buddies at the bar. Unless you're from Utah, I don't see why it'd make anyone uncomfortable.
- Lohaus

It's a gender thing. Being a VERY heterosexual male, the gal on the right just makes my stomach turn a little.
Routs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 01.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 11:01 AM ET
Hard to play motivated hockey when going from a powerhouse team to a bottom feeder. Lost in all this is the impact of being made promises by the Flyers and then getting dumped aside when Pronger wasn't happy.

I think he'll be fine in LA and he maybe slotted with Richards or Kopitar. Both pass first guys that could use a real sniper.

Like all trades everyone clamours to find a loser and a winner. I think it's clear both teams did okay and helped address some needs. For Columbus, who knows. Maybe they plan on moving JJ and that pick for a Centre that could actually compliment Nash...
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Feb 24 @ 11:11 AM ET
Carter and Richards, reunited

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/...er_id=25345&post_id=13112

For those interested.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Feb 24 @ 11:14 AM ET
Columbus expected Carter to be a pivot for Nash. They saw a High end Center and thought, That's what we need. But Jeff was never the support guy they truly wanted for Nash. It was a poor fit from the get go. Carter scores when you feed him the puck. It's as simple as that.

Johnson & a first is a pretty good score for Columbus. They need a puck moving D-man more than another high scorer.
rayzablades2
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Miami, FL
Joined: 04.24.2011

Feb 24 @ 11:24 AM ET
Eric Smith: Are The Kings Repeating the Blue Jackets Mistake
The Blue Jackets moved one of their two big chips as they sent center Jeff Carter packing to Los Angeles for defenseman Jack Johnson and and a first round pick in either the 2012 or 2013 Entry Draft depending if the Kings make the playoffs.

The question now is if Kings general manager Dean Lombardi is falling into the same trap that Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson did last summer?

- Jackets Attack


Basically, your point is that you think Carter is overrated and pretty much sucks?

I get your point about Carter not working out in Columbus - because he wasn't the playmaking type of center Nash needs. But since I don't watch the Kings, why is it a bad move for their team with the roster they have?
Routs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 01.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 11:25 AM ET
Columbus expected Carter to be a pivot for Nash. They saw a High end Center and thought, That's what we need. But Jeff was never the support guy they truly wanted for Nash. It was a poor fit from the get go. Carter scores when you feed him the puck. It's as simple as that.

Johnson & a first is a pretty good score for Columbus. They need a puck moving D-man more than another high scorer.

- flyler

For their sake I hope Wiz and JJ aren't paired together often. It would be like having five forwards on the ice. I can just see Mason's Face now...

martin.stlapipe
Ottawa Senators
Location: Bong Kong, ON
Joined: 09.23.2008

Feb 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
So Howson basically traded Carter, Couturier, Voracek and a good prospect (Nick Cousins 74p in 55g in the OHL) for Jack Johnson and a bottom 3rd 1st round pick??

Are you sure he isn't actually Mike Milbury in disguise?
Rockhead_37
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Bolton, ON
Joined: 09.11.2010

Feb 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
Jack Johnson's first question to Howson after the trade...
Are we moving to Quebec or Seattle?
Lohaus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 10.04.2006

Feb 24 @ 11:44 AM ET
So Howson basically traded Carter, Couturier, Voracek and a good prospect (Nick Cousins 74p in 55g in the OHL) for Jack Johnson and a bottom 3rd 1st round pick??

Are you sure he isn't actually Mike Milbury in disguise?

- martin.stlapipe

Flawed logic. He only had Carter to trade because of Couturier and Voracek. It wasn't like he traded all three to get Johnson and a 1st. LA isn't in the playoffs yet. This could end up being a top 14 pick when all is said and done.
kngfann222
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 12.16.2010

Feb 24 @ 11:45 AM ET
What a garbage blog!!
He didn't fit there(columbus), he hated it there, he didn't want to be there.
In LA, he reunites with Richards, he wants to play there.
It's a great move by Lombardi who is addressing his scoring needs ( that's what GM's do!) it's a steal for a career minus player in Johnson.
Not a "desperation" deal.. It's practical for kings needs
USA_Parise9
Joined: 04.26.2011

Feb 24 @ 11:47 AM ET

- Cape Breton Bruins

WOW good job some offseason photo
Like 3-4 years ago
martin.stlapipe
Ottawa Senators
Location: Bong Kong, ON
Joined: 09.23.2008

Feb 24 @ 11:49 AM ET
Flawed logic. He only had Carter to trade because of Couturier and Voracek. It wasn't like he traded all three to get Johnson and a 1st. LA isn't in the playoffs yet. This could end up being a top 14 pick when all is said and done.
- Lohaus



You can call it flawed logic, but when all is said and done that is what he had and this is what he has. I would call it flawed asset management
keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:06 PM ET
Agree, as long as these guys produce on the ice, I would not care if they have
drunken orgies every other night.

- fsanford

You will care when they aren't producing though trust me ...
Lohaus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 10.04.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:07 PM ET
You can call it flawed logic, but when all is said and done that is what he had and this is what he has. I would call it flawed asset management
- martin.stlapipe

Howsen essentially traded Couturier and Voracek and a smallish idiot of a prospect in Cousins to get Johnson and a first. Its not even close to approaching Milbury status.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Feb 24 @ 12:09 PM ET
Eric Smith: Are The Kings Repeating the Blue Jackets Mistake
The Blue Jackets moved one of their two big chips as they sent center Jeff Carter packing to Los Angeles for defenseman Jack Johnson and and a first round pick in either the 2012 or 2013 Entry Draft depending if the Kings make the playoffs.

The question now is if Kings general manager Dean Lombardi is falling into the same trap that Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson did last summer?

- Jackets Attack


Sounds like someone is bitter that their team is in dead last and is trying to blame Jeff Carter.
USA_Parise9
Joined: 04.26.2011

Feb 24 @ 12:09 PM ET
You will care when they aren't producing though trust me ...
- keatondixon

Hey budy if twitter and all these new media websites never showed up within the last 3 years you would have never known about this stupid nonsense talk

Dont act like you hang out with them and know what they do every night.

Philly loved those players....THE REAL PHILLY fans will tell you that
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:14 PM ET
So Howson basically traded Carter, Couturier, Voracek and a good prospect (Nick Cousins 74p in 55g in the OHL) for Jack Johnson and a bottom 3rd 1st round pick??

Are you sure he isn't actually Mike Milbury in disguise?

- martin.stlapipe


So according to your logic Murray traded Hossa,Heatley and a bunch of other assets for Michalek.......who is having one good year until now.

dawgzhouse
Location: Ottawa
Joined: 06.30.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:14 PM ET
You can call it flawed logic, but when all is said and done that is what he had and this is what he has. I would call it flawed asset management
- martin.stlapipe


This verges on defending Howson so I’m naturally uneasy.
However, it was far from flawed asset management. The deal for Carter, Voracek and a 1st, was reasonable. What was unreasonable was the unprofessionalism Carter demonstrated from the outset, by basically going into hiding, and then throughout his time with the Jackets as a reluctant, dispassionate, immature punk. Trading Carter for JJ and a 1st was good asset management. The deal really was Voracek and a 1st for JJ and 1st.
flyers4487
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jamison, PA
Joined: 02.15.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:16 PM ET
I get that your a blue jackets fan Eric, but this blog reaks of bitterness, granted you have every right to be bitter, I would be too if one of my star players wanted nothing to do with my team. However once you take off your homer goggles you will see that cater is not a bad player at all, and like I have said about a million times, if he and richie won in 2010 they would be lifelong flyers. I like carters contract and I think he will do great in LA. I think him and richie learned a big lesson this summer, and I think they have the potential to turn everything around, I know they wish they were still here but the bottom line is they arnt but in a city with so many fmr flyers I think they will be able to turn the kings season around.

I sure hope they prove everyone wrong.
keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
Hey budy if twitter and all these new media websites never showed up within the last 3 years you would have never known about this stupid nonsense talk

Dont act like you hang out with them and know what they do every night.

Philly loved those players....THE REAL PHILLY fans will tell you that

- USA_Parise9

The real philly fans will tell you they loved Richards and couldn't stand Carter ...Richards was dedicated and gave it all every game while Carter disappears in big games and the playoffs...but you don't have to worry about that ...just start hoping he gets you there first bud
Lohaus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 10.04.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:09 PM ET
This verges on defending Howson so I’m naturally uneasy.
However, it was far from flawed asset management. The deal for Carter, Voracek and a 1st, was reasonable. What was unreasonable was the unprofessionalism Carter demonstrated from the outset, by basically going into hiding, and then throughout his time with the Jackets as a reluctant, dispassionate, immature punk. Trading Carter for JJ and a 1st was good asset management. The deal really was Voracek and a 1st for JJ and 1st.

- dawgzhouse

I 100% agree with you.
Scruffton
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: London, ON
Joined: 07.02.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:03 PM ET
This verges on defending Howson so I’m naturally uneasy.
However, it was far from flawed asset management. The deal for Carter, Voracek and a 1st, was reasonable. What was unreasonable was the unprofessionalism Carter demonstrated from the outset, by basically going into hiding, and then throughout his time with the Jackets as a reluctant, dispassionate, immature punk. Trading Carter for JJ and a 1st was good asset management. The deal really was Voracek and a 1st for JJ and 1st.

- dawgzhouse

Carter's attitude towards Columbus was my main red flag. I understand he didn't sign the long term contract with them, and there are other cities he would rather play in, but for (frank)s sake. Your a young kid getting paid MILLIONS to play a (frank)ing game, suck it up and stop being such a crybaby.
connor
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.06.2006

Feb 24 @ 3:07 PM ET
The only mistake here was made by Scott Howson, Johnson is a terrible defenceman.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Feb 24 @ 5:20 PM ET
Carter's attitude towards Columbus was my main red flag. I understand he didn't sign the long term contract with them, and there are other cities he would rather play in, but for (frank)s sake. Your a young kid getting paid MILLIONS to play a (frank)ing game, suck it up and stop being such a crybaby.
- Scruffton

Attitude has always been rumored to been an issue with Richards and Carter. Not taking practice seriously, way too much partying, not caring about the team, not talking to players or coaches, etc.

It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out for LA.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Feb 24 @ 5:20 PM ET
Carter and Richards, reunited

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/...er_id=25345&post_id=13112

For those interested.

- Gunner Staal

Excellent blog, sir.
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