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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie
Why trade Brown? IMO, LAK like Brown as "player," not as enthused about Brown as captain. IMO, only matter of time til Mike Richards gets C.

- PLindbergh31


It will be interesting to see if Richards is named C out there, without the dramatists in the media shredding him. Not that that was his only issue, but the media was a factor here.
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
John Stevens formers head coach of the Flyers could possibly have lobbed the Kings management to reunite The bash brothers.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
Andy Murray. Terry Murray. Randy Carlyle. Of the top of my head, anyhow.
- Jsaquella


Carlyle is interesting. Lemaire and Melrose as well.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
This isn't just a little hiccup. It's a prolonged slump of inadequate play. The last 20 games have been brutal. That's 1/4 of a season.

Not liking where things are heading.

- PLindbergh31

I don't like it either. I noticed Briere hasn't scored since his hat trick against Ottawa in early January. Yes he's a playoff performer I get that but it's not that he hasn't been scoring but he's a hindrance defensively too. (See second goal last night.) Can't have the highest paid player taking a 1/4 of the season off and expect to win a lot. If he's hurt then LTIR him until the playoffs and use the relief to make another move before the deadline.

Also I think the moves on D are gonna take a couple more weeks until we get full efficiency due to everyone familiarizing themselves.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
Yes it is fair. I was discussing this on twitter last night. Laviolette has made some questionable calls, and really hasn't made adjustments that have helped to stem the tide of mistakes on defense.
- Jsaquella

I think we're also underestimating the absence of Pronger disseminating Lavi's message to the rest of the troops. They need a liaison akin to Primeau with Hitchcock. Lose the liaison, lose the room.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
Carlyle is interesting. Lemaire and Melrose as well.
- PLindbergh31


No Barry. Lemaire, if he wasn't so steadfastly retired, would be interesting.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
Manayunk Mike ‏ @ManayunkMike
#Flyers using Brown as a means to lower Nash price tag. Should be an interesting weekend.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
It will be interesting to see if Richards is named C out there, without the dramatists in the media shredding him. Not that that was his only issue, but the media was a factor here.
- Jsaquella


Yup. Although Richards performance on the ice doesn't warrant him becoming Captain. 1 goal in his last 26 games is just ridiculous.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
I literally turned the game off after the second goal. But from what Bill said Bryz played well after that...

I noticed on last nights goals that both goals happened when Bryz was standing up from the butterfly position to move across ice. I could be wrong, as I never played, or payed much attention to goaltending, but once Bryz goes down, wouldnt it be quicker AND safer to slide across the crease, with the pads down, and 5 hole blocked with the stick, instead of standing, moving, then trying to drop back down for a pad save?

Anyone that knows goaltending let me know if you noticed this.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
John Stevens formers head coach of the Flyers could possibly have lobbed the Kings management to reunite The trashed brothers.
- jesustouchedme

fixed it for ya
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
I thought Richards was a very quite guy? From reports in Philly he was a lead by example player on the ice and didnt say much in the locker room. Maybe I have been misinformed.
- stveshdy


Quiet vs. vocal need not have anything to do with it. One thing about Richards that is tough to deny -- because there was so much smoke that there had to be some fire there -- is that there were cliques on the Flyers' teams he captained. At bare minimum, he did not do enough to bridge those gaps. At worst, he was a guilty party in creating the cliques in the first place.

I have no idea what's going on in LA. Just passing along something I've heard, that there is not a united leadership group in the Kings dressing room and some have gravitated to the guy with the C and others have gravitated toward Richards.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
I think we're also underestimating the absence of Pronger disseminating Lavi's message to the rest of the troops. They need a liaison akin to Primeau with Hitchcock. Lose the liaison, lose the room.
- Flyskippy


That is possible, but Timonen and Briere are certainly capable of transmitting that message. Timonen has proven he's not a wallflower and Briere certainly isn't a quiet guy.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
No Barry. Lemaire, if he wasn't so steadfastly retired, would be interesting.
- Jsaquella


I jest about Melrose. Lemaire would have this team playing 50 2-1 games a year. Not sure I could stand it. I guess if they won the majority of them I could live with it.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:21 AM ET
I think we're also underestimating the absence of Pronger disseminating Lavi's message to the rest of the troops. They need a liaison akin to Primeau with Hitchcock. Lose the liaison, lose the room.
- Flyskippy

Shouldn't Timmonen take up that role though?
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:21 AM ET
Manayunk Mike ‏ @ManayunkMike
#Flyers using Brown as a means to lower Nash price tag. Should be an interesting weekend.

- griouxmvp2012

How can you use a secondary scorer to lower a primary scorers price tag? This guys not even making sense.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:21 AM ET
Yup. Although Richards performance on the ice doesn't warrant him becoming Captain. 1 goal in his last 26 games is just ridiculous.
- PLindbergh31


Not a lot of guys in LA have played well enough to warrant being the Capt.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Feb 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
I'm willing to bury the hatchet with Ritchie and Carter. I think the move was bad for LA and made a couple jokes on twitter about it but they gave us some good memories and I will try to root for those two guys out there.
- JoeRussomanno



from all the teams that could've gotten Carter, it's comical he's going to LA. It is what it is...memories of them playing in the Flyers jersey will be there. I'm not going to root for them or against them. They play on another team. That's really it.
Twitter was blowing up last night...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
Manayunk Mike ‏ @ManayunkMike
#Flyers using Brown as a means to lower Nash price tag. Should be an interesting weekend.

- griouxmvp2012


Cutting and pasting from Incarcerated Bob again....
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
That is possible, but Timonen and Briere are certainly capable of transmitting that message. Timonen has proven he's not a wallflower and Briere certainly isn't a quiet guy.
- Jsaquella

If Briere would tell me how to play hockey right now, I would ask him wtf hes doing out there.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
John Stevens formers head coach of the Flyers could possibly have lobbed the Kings management to reunite The bash brothers.
- jesustouchedme


I'm sure he was asked for input, but as an assistant and not head coach, really wasn't in position to directly lobby for it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
Manayunk Mike ‏ @ManayunkMike
#Flyers using Brown as a means to lower Nash price tag. Should be an interesting weekend.

- griouxmvp2012


Same guy that suggested Briere to Columbus as part of a Nash package.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Feb 24 @ 10:23 AM ET
I don't like it either. I noticed Briere hasn't scored since his hat trick against Ottawa in early January. Yes he's a playoff performer I get that but it's not that he hasn't been scoring but he's a hindrance defensively too. (See second goal last night.) Can't have the highest paid player taking a 1/4 of the season off and expect to win a lot. If he's hurt then LTIR him until the playoffs and use the relief to make another move before the deadline.

Also I think the moves on D are gonna take a couple more weeks until we get full efficiency due to everyone familiarizing themselves.

- JoeRussomanno


We go through this every year with Briere. He quietly puts up 60 regular season points per season, then blows up in the playoffs and is forgiven for a perceived lackluster 82 games.

Hopefully the trend continues this postseason, because he's on pace for less than 20 goals and 50 points this year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 24 @ 10:23 AM ET
Not a lot of guys in LA have played well enough to warrant being the Capt.
- Jsaquella


True. Quick should be the Captain.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 24 @ 10:23 AM ET
That is possible, but Timonen and Briere are certainly capable of transmitting that message. Timonen has proven he's not a wallflower and Briere certainly isn't a quiet guy.
- Jsaquella

Perhaps, but do their charisma scores carry the weight that Pronger's does. Pronger's bonus is sorely missing.

Sorry. I was on a role-playing game site today too, so cross-over is to be expected.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 24 @ 10:25 AM ET
Just curious guys. Would you trade Braydon Coburn and Matt Read for Dustin Brown and a second? Use the approximate two million in space that opens up next year to keep Matty Carle.
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