this is way too funny i thought it was a joke when i read the title, so we're talking about letting go of a guy in his second year who put up 38 points in his rookie season 124 PMs, has 12 points in 21 playoff games who has 23 points on one of the league worst/lowest scoring teams and even worse PP, playing top D minutes (ridiculous pressure) and has crazy upside/potential (especially when he starts playing with a non 36 year old turtle by the name of Hal Gill) and all the Habs are supposed to get from him is a 5th overall pick that might not ever come close to what he will likely achieve....

and wait all this cuz he's having an ok year (in any other city and if it were any other sophmore no one would even be talking about it, see Cam Fowler) because 23 points for a sophmore D is actually pretty damn good, lol its almost like you're comparing playing in MTL to playing in i dunno Atlanta....wow anyone remember the John Leclair trade....yeah he went on to put up a few 50 goal seasons...

this is so ridiculous (see retarded) you'll never get Subban for just your #1 pick, the rebuild is around Price AND Subban, they already have Gallagher, Tinordi and Bealieu coming in Emelin is turining into one of the best checkers in the league, they will soon be able to buy out gomez, heck they can dangle any of those previously mentioned prospects and their 1st round Pick and easily get a good forward

you're talking about hitting some sort of panic button that isnt really there....not to mention this is about a team thats only 6 points out of a playoff spot...man i could go on forever about how stupid this whole article is, if you want a subban go pick Dumba and move on Oilers

or while you're at it might as well trade your amazing 5th overall pick for Doughty who's supposed to be far superior to Subban yet has only 27 points in 56 games on a stacked team that should be able to create wayyy more offense than the habs any given night and yet we dont hear about Doughty's struggles....guess what he plays in LA and when it comes to players like him the'res a million excuses made for him but when ur Subban in a market like MTL they expect you to be Lidstrom overnight

chill out with your ridiculous trade, not to mention the fact he's not having a superstar year is GREAT for MTL cuz now they wont have to give him a stupid Doughty contract and he'll have even more time to grow

the habs will already have a top 10 draft this year they dont need to throw away a potential superstar to rebuild, when you have a Carey Price rebuilding can be done in 1-2 years easily

but yeah no try again (Cloutier what were you thinking?), the title should have read 'Ways the Oilers can jack Subban from the Habs'

Its definitely tempting.. If I got this offer as a GM I would be thinking hard about it... Subban seems to rub a lot of players in montreal the wrong way but at the same time it seems that the goalie that is saving montreals butt likes subban. Add that to the fact that your future captain endorsed him and you have to view Subban as part of the core in montreal...

On the other hand Having two top defencemen come into the league at the same time would be great.. Rienhart and Murrey with Bealeau and Tinardi is a pretty good prospect pool on the back end and a fairly large defence to which would fit the trend that Montreal seems to be building...

I think though that Subban, 1st and Gomez/Gionta (for salary reason only) and probably a 2nd tier prospect or pick will go to Columbus for Nash though....
- Sirfunkyton

From a CLB perspective, I really don't like taking on Gomez. It would be more palatable if MTL took Tyutins contract too? Something like this...

To Montreal: Nash, Tyutin
To CLB: Subban, Gomez, 1st, 2nd

Although Pacioretty would look nice in CLB uniform if we can get him in there some how.

Subban is good but if I were to make this deal it wouldn't be till the draft when I knew I wasn't picking 1-3 sadly I Just don't see them parting with him as for Harding he had such a high ceiling but is a never was after spending all this time behind Fernandez and Backstrom if I'm parting with our 2nd and Omark add another pick and go after Schnieder or Bernier

Horrible idea richard. We dont need a guy like that fighting his own teammates in practice. We want guys that are team players.
- Ihatebrianburke

players who have fought teammates in practice:

Bill Guerin
Saku Koivu
Mike Ribeiro
Keith Primeau
Jeff Skinner
etc...

yeah these are all terrible terrible players

This is wrong on so many levels.

Let me first say that you have absolutely no clue of what is happening in Montreal. Yes Edmonton is going through a rebuild and I would argue it is something that Montreal should have done as well but Montreal is not going through a rebuild nor will they ever go through a rebuild.

Simply there is a large number of fans who would protest, boycott, etc... Yes we are trading pending UFA's but the nucleus of this team stays the same. The reason is because the nucelus of this team is young up and coming players: i.e Price, Subban, Pacioretty, etc....

Secondly do you really think that a first round pick would get you SUbban? In the media all you hear about is the negative. He fights in practice, players around the league hate him, etc.... what you don't hear of course is how apart from Price he is the most important player on the team. In his first year in the NHL he was the #1 d-man on the team, in his second year where he is struggling offensively but excelling defensively he is again the top D-man on the team. Why would Montreal part ways with a player who looks like a can't miss simply for a potential player.

Finally your logic is completely half ass backwards. Let's assume for a second that Montreal is rebuilding. Let's assume any player is available. Isn't the point of a rebuild to get younger? PK is in his 2nd season in the NHL. That's like saying Edmonton is in a rebuild so they should trade Hall for a top 1st round pick. After all they are rebuilding.

The point of any rebuild is to dump aging veterans for prospects, picks and build your team right. Well Montreal has Price in nets, Subban on the back end and Pacioretty up front.......they are doing this the right way so won't be parting with any of these players.

And before you misinterpret this....no I am not saying PK is worth Hall. I was simply referencing that both are in their 2nd year in the NHL.

From a CLB perspective, I really don't like taking on Gomez. It would be more palatable if MTL took Tyutins contract too? Something like this...

To Montreal: Nash, Tyutin
To CLB: Subban, Gomez, 1st, 2nd

Although Pacioretty would look nice in CLB uniform if we can get him in there some how.

- CBJ18

Honestly, this is a situation where PK could be dealt. The team won't take a gamble on a 1st round pick but to obtain an elite power forward and to dump the Gomez contract is where PK can be used as a pawn.

I still doubt Subban is dealt because he is so crucial to this team, but this is a scenario where you'd have to think about it. Only issue is that Montreal will be thin on LW and a little deeper on RW so a trade would likely have to involve a RWer.

If the Oilers are going after a goaltender I believe that they would be better served going after Anders Lindback from Nashville. The only reason this kid is not a star already is due to the fact he plays behind Pekka Rinne. Lindback is a stud.

felt a boner when I read : Montreal will pick grigorenko

I don't think Montreal would trade Subban for a 5th or 6th overall pick. Maybe your second overall pick would get them to not hang up the phone, but I doubt they'd deal him straight up for Dumba, Trouba, or Reilly.

felt a boner when I read : Montreal will pick grigorenko
- jdacosta

Grigorenko, possibly Radu......do you smell Roy as coach?

players who have fought teammates in practice:

Bill Guerin
Saku Koivu
Mike Ribeiro
Keith Primeau
Jeff Skinner
etc...

yeah these are all terrible terrible players
- Habitants98

Subban is a cancer in your dressing room and you should trade him. Just not to us. Its not like hes fought one guy. Hes fought multiple teammates including his own captain. No room for a guy like that in the team first concept we're promoting here in etown. And hes definitely not worth our lottery pick

Richard Cloutier: Should the Oilers Deal Their 1st Round Pick for Subban?
- Maxbone

holy (frank) clouts

Subban is a cancer in your dressing room and you should trade him. Just not to us. Its not like hes fought one guy. Hes fought multiple teammates including his own captain. No room for a guy like that in the team first concept we're promoting here in etown. And hes definitely not worth our lottery pick
- Ihatebrianburke

Damn.....Detroit should have known this logic when Primeau and Yzerman fought in practice. The shame they could have spared parting ways with Stevie Y. Then of course there was the selfishness of Mario Lemieux, Sid Crosby.

If SUbban was on the Oilers you'd be praising the yell out of him.

Honestly, this is a situation where PK could be dealt. The team won't take a gamble on a 1st round pick but to obtain an elite power forward and to dump the Gomez contract is where PK can be used as a pawn.

I still doubt Subban is dealt because he is so crucial to this team, but this is a scenario where you'd have to think about it. Only issue is that Montreal will be thin on LW and a little deeper on RW so a trade would likely have to involve a RWer.
- willey101

They do not need to waste a player to trade Gomez, its contract year and there will be a one time buyout of contracts that dont go against the cap. Get over it, hes gone this year and it wont cost them a thing other than money.

Why in the world would you trade a soon to be top 10 defenceman? he needs a couple more years to mature, nothing unlike others in the past, Pronger, Coffee, Doughty, all in the same boat and had the same crap said about them and history tells up its all ok.

Damn.....Detroit should have known this logic when Primeau and Yzerman fought in practice. The shame they could have spared parting ways with Stevie Y. Then of course there was the selfishness of Mario Lemieux, Sid Crosby.

If SUbban was on the Oilers you'd be praising the yell out of him.
- willey101

aint that the truth!

Damn.....Detroit should have known this logic when Primeau and Yzerman fought in practice. The shame they could have spared parting ways with Stevie Y. Then of course there was the selfishness of Mario Lemieux, Sid Crosby.

If SUbban was on the Oilers you'd be praising the yell out of him.
- willey101

Subban doesnt belong in the same conversation as any of the guys you just mentioned. He will be a good dman in this league. Id just prefer us to not bring a possible problem into our locker room. Id also rather keep our lottery pick

felt a boner when I read : Montreal will pick grigorenko
- jdacosta

keep your hands to yourself

You couldn't pay me to have Subban on my team. Guy's a mouthy cancer, I don't care how good he is.

From TSN:

After practice, Andrei Kostitsyn quipped that everyone wants to fight Subban, adding that every spat at Habs practice seems to involve the hard-hitting defenceman.

In his 2 year career, Subban has fought 6 times in games and now 4 times in practices against his teammates. Practice hard, but not to the point that everyone in your room wants to fight you. Talent aside, an act like this has a shelf life...time for Subban to grow up.

Mmmmm... I haven't been keen on the idea of dealing PK in the past but this is interesting.. I love the way he plays, his enthusiasm, and his character but it'd be hard to pass on another top 5 pick this year. The prospect of getting someone like Grigorenko AND Ryan Murray is very intriguing to me, even if it does mean giving up on PK.. Maybe if you throw Paajarvi in along with the pick I'd do it.
- Saundies

(frank) why would we want to have a head case whom more than likely is bad in the locker room... we have enough egos to stroke never mind an overrated dman with attitude... unless of course you want hall and pk to scrap it out in practices... clouts -quit trying to get cheap hits for (frank) sakes...

Cloutier, put down the pipe.

no

Montreal won't deal Subban.

We should be looking at John Carlson and Alzner.
- Pilgor09

THose guys aren't being moved either.

From TSN:

After practice, Andrei Kostitsyn quipped that everyone wants to fight Subban, adding that every spat at Habs practice seems to involve the hard-hitting defenceman.

In his 2 year career, Subban has fought 6 times in games and now 4 times in practices against his teammates. Practice hard, but not to the point that everyone in your room wants to fight you. Talent aside, an act like this has a shelf life...time for Subban to grow up.
- axemen6

Habs should just trade for Macintyre. One crack from that guy and Subban will smarten up.

players who have fought teammates in practice:

Bill Guerin
Saku Koivu
Mike Ribeiro
Keith Primeau
Jeff Skinner
etc...

yeah these are all terrible terrible players
- Habitants98

If you do not think its embarrassing for the team then you are a fool!