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micah555
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I look forward to the heartache and tears. - Marwood, BC
Joined: 10.03.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:20 AM ET
I use to belive that .I told some blog that ,a while back and they said prove it show where in the CBA it says that .I never found it .
- VANTEL


I've heard it in the media, when Kesler was sheeted and when Bernier was sheeted. You can't match and then trade. It's part of what makes the process so ugly for GMs.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:20 AM ET
Thats why teams hire lawyers to read that book....
- boonerbuck

I looked for an hour then said screw it
micah555
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I look forward to the heartache and tears. - Marwood, BC
Joined: 10.03.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:20 AM ET
Have you banned anyone yet?
- Scooby_Doo


I'll never tell!
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Feb 24 @ 12:22 AM ET
I'll never tell!
- micah555


Was that the first thing you were told in training?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:22 AM ET
I've heard it in the media, when Kesler was sheeted and when Bernier was sheeted. You can't match and then trade. It's part of what makes the process so ugly for GMs.
- micah555

I agree with u and BB I just never seen the proof.I have heard Ferraro says it too but he has never proved it.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:23 AM ET
Was that the first thing you were told in training?
- Scooby_Doo

If someone says something against the Leafs Ban them.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 24 @ 12:23 AM ET
I thik you apply for arb and the arbitrator sets the dates
- VANTEL


I know they file for Arbitration but when? I think it's after a date later in July...which means the window is open for an offer sheet if he remains unsigned after July 1st. I know I debated this before....
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Feb 24 @ 12:24 AM ET
If someone says something against the Leafs Ban them.
- VANTEL

You've mistken hockeybuzz for CBC again
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:27 AM ET
I know they file for Arbitration but when? I think it's after a date later in July...which means the window is open for an offer sheet if he remains unsigned after July 1st. I know I debated this before....
- boonerbuck

If they file for Arb then you can not make an offer sheet
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:27 AM ET
You've mistken hockeybuzz for CBC again
- I-own_da-Northwest

Boinker
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.24.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:27 AM ET
Can we ban Beatle John for his bad jokes.

ONly Joking BJ

- VANTEL


boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 24 @ 12:28 AM ET
July 5th is the deadline. I guess Gillis could file July 1st. I didnt know that. The things one finds out when he's not being lazy....
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:29 AM ET
You've mistken hockeybuzz for CBC again
- I-own_da-Northwest



It's so easy to do that.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:29 AM ET
July 5th is the deadline. I guess Gillis could file July 1st. I didnt know that. The things one finds out when he's not being lazy....
- boonerbuck

Ok I see now what you mean
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 24 @ 12:29 AM ET
If they file for Arb then you can not make an offer sheet
- VANTEL


You missed my point about *when* three times.

I got it now anyways....
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:30 AM ET

- Boinker



Brad Marchant tells a joke....

Brad Marchant: "Knock, knock..."

Other: "Who is th---" (SLAM! BLINDSIDED)
abware
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Just Fuching with you guys! Oilers > than Flames! K-man25
Joined: 01.26.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:31 AM ET
I'd do it with Kulemin.
- Nucker101

I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Feb 24 @ 12:32 AM ET
It's so easy to do that.
- Beatle_john

It's so easy to misspell wordz two. I'm just glad u guys aurnt grammer police
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 24 @ 12:34 AM ET
Possible outcomes
If a player accepts a qualifying offer he remains with his current team for a one- or two-year term. The length of the contract is determined by the player. At the end of this contract the player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent. While the player is in negotiation with his current team, other teams are allowed to extend Offer Sheets to him. Should the player sign a proposed Offer Sheet, his current team is notified as such, can no longer negotiate a new contract or trade the rights to negotiate and is left with 2 options, Accept or Decline. The current team has 7 days to make its decision.

Accept
The player remains with his current team on a contract identical to that of the Offer Sheet. The team is not allowed to trade the player for one year.

Decline
The player becomes a member of the team with whom he signed the Offer Sheet under all the terms of said Offer Sheet. His now former team claims draft picks from the player’s new team as compensation. Compensatory draft picks are determined by the player’s new salary on a sliding scale.
For example:

In 2008 a team signing a restricted free agent to a salary averaging $2,615,625 to $3,923,437 per season will lose a first-round draft pick and a third-round draft pick to the player’s former team.
Signing a restricted free agent to a contract worth over $6,539,062 per year costs a team four first-round draft picks.
At any point during the negotiation process, if the player has been in the NHL for longer than 4 years (less if the player signed his first contract after the age of 20), either the player or his current team may file for Salary Arbitration as a means of settling a contract dispute. At this point the player may no longer sign an Offer Sheet. The deadline to file for Salary Abitration is July 5th with cases being heard between late July and early August.

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:36 AM ET
Sharks ramp up the Defense for a win in Toronto That was Cam Gores blog tonight. Where did the Sharks go? When you need to ramp up to beat a 8/9 spot team by one goal ,we can assume the Shark expectations have fallen a tad.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:38 AM ET
Possible outcomes
If a player accepts a qualifying offer he remains with his current team for a one- or two-year term. The length of the contract is determined by the player. At the end of this contract the player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent. While the player is in negotiation with his current team, other teams are allowed to extend Offer Sheets to him. Should the player sign a proposed Offer Sheet, his current team is notified as such, can no longer negotiate a new contract or trade the rights to negotiate and is left with 2 options, Accept or Decline. The current team has 7 days to make its decision.

Accept
The player remains with his current team on a contract identical to that of the Offer Sheet. The team is not allowed to trade the player for one year.

Decline
The player becomes a member of the team with whom he signed the Offer Sheet under all the terms of said Offer Sheet. His now former team claims draft picks from the player’s new team as compensation. Compensatory draft picks are determined by the player’s new salary on a sliding scale.
For example:

In 2008 a team signing a restricted free agent to a salary averaging $2,615,625 to $3,923,437 per season will lose a first-round draft pick and a third-round draft pick to the player’s former team.
Signing a restricted free agent to a contract worth over $6,539,062 per year costs a team four first-round draft picks.
At any point during the negotiation process, if the player has been in the NHL for longer than 4 years (less if the player signed his first contract after the age of 20), either the player or his current team may file for Salary Arbitration as a means of settling a contract dispute. At this point the player may no longer sign an Offer Sheet. The deadline to file for Salary Abitration is July 5th with cases being heard between late July and early August.

- boonerbuck

I KNEW YOU WOULD FIND IT.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 24 @ 12:52 AM ET
Just checking in, so we won but was it a legit win? Did we outplay them?
micah555
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I look forward to the heartache and tears. - Marwood, BC
Joined: 10.03.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:54 AM ET
Just checking in, so we won but was it a legit win? Did we outplay them?
- LeftCoaster


Badly in the 1st, got played in the 2nd and then pretty even on out. Detroit blew 3 1 goal leads, so yes, it was a legit win.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 24 @ 1:00 AM ET
Badly in the 1st, got played in the 2nd and then pretty even on out. Detroit blew 3 1 goal leads, so yes, it was a legit win.
- micah555

Good, I was looking forward to a good effort tonight. Glad the twins showed up, on the score sheet at least!
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:00 AM ET
Just checking in, so we won but was it a legit win? Did we outplay them?
- LeftCoaster


I thought it was a very well played game. Lots of flow and some good play. Obviously Raymond played like a toolbox with about 5 minutes left but the nucks did not get burned by it.

I love Raymond for what he went through and he should be up for the Masterson Throphy... but I am now thinking he is a weak link.
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