Problem is Buffalo, if they ever decided to trade Miller, would never trade him in the same division (same goes for Price). Bishop and Beriner could be had as well as some other veteran goaltenders (Giguere,Mason,Roloson,Nabokov). Do you think the Canes would trade Ward? (probably not but it's worth a call on BB's part)
- Gambi99

agreed...but my main point was that the Leafs should use their assets they have available for a number one center, on a number one goalie instead. Merely used Millers possible availability as an example and a Buffalo fan decided to display his intellect.

A first......... Prospect (Scrivens), roster player (Connelly)

Still think its too much??
- faceto27

Nope, though id rather deal any other goalie prospect.

Thats certainly less than Schenn+1st+roster player(note- he doesn specify cap dump)

I think Burke handcuffed himself to sign Connolly. He stated he was in the market for a #1 centerman, and when he did not land Richards (which most of use knew he wouldn;t), he went after Connolly. Everyone knew it was not that good of a signing, but Burke needed to save face.
- acresd

Burke also didn't know how well Bozak would do between Phil and Lupul. He was making a best available move against his top priority

Why on earth would you wabt to trade that for carter?

Thats more than we would have had to give up in the summer.
- Feeling Glucky?

And you do realize that's why Carter was not traded to us in the summer.
Look what philly got for him.

yea...so do you accept my proposal yet!?
- noename09

LMAO... NO

If Miller were to ever play outside of Buffalo.. it would be in home state with Detroit or in Cali

Lindback?? Interesting.
- Cimo

not really...

It makes you sick to see what a good goaltender looks like?
- MillerTime3011

Nobody is underestimating the value of your treasured Miller, Millertime......why are you here? don't go away mad, just F-off

A first......... Prospect (Scrivens), roster player (Connelly)

Still think its too much??
- faceto27

Simply not enough....the jackets aren't going to want Connolly.

LMAO... NO

If Miller were to ever play outside of Buffalo.. it would be in home state with Detroit or in Cali
- MillerTime3011

fine...ill sweeten the pot.

Komisarek, Gus, Lombardi and Orr.

That way you will have a good backup for Enroth, a better defender to take Myers roster spot, a speedy winger to play with Pominville and Orr to beat up the guys who run Enroth.

Problem is Buffalo, if they ever decided to trade Miller, would never trade him in the same division (same goes for Price). Bishop and Beriner could be had as well as some other veteran goaltenders (Giguere,Mason,Roloson,Nabokov). Do you think the Canes would trade Ward? (probably not but it's worth a call on BB's part)
- Gambi99

Absolutely. Rule number one in a GM's handbook is not to trade your number one goalie inter-division.
I don't think Ward can be had. I think he's considered one of the three pillars of the franchise moving forward (ward, skinner, staal. obv)
I didn't like how we let Giggy walk, but given the play of Reimer, I understood it. I doubt we bring him back at the cost of assets.
Mason is a crap-shot and I wouldn't want to add too much to a Carter deal to get him (reeks of raycroft).
Rollie is done.
I'd go for Nabby, if the price wasn't crazy. Any idea of what they'd want if they can't sign him?
Bernier would be ideal I think. Might be pricey though.
Truthfully, I don't know much about Ben Bishop, but isn't he becoming a free agent? If so, I'd rather wait until summer than hurt our playoff chances by giving up assets on an AHL tender.

fine...ill sweeten the pot.

Komisarek, Gus, Lombardi and Orr.

That way you will have a good backup for Enroth, a better defender to take Myers roster spot, a speedy winger to play with Pominville and Orr to beat up the guys who run Enroth.
- noename09

- MillerTime3011

Why are you bowing to him? That good of an offer, eh?

Philly got the 8th overall pick, a 3rd round and a 2nd line player for Carter. I'm sure a 1st pick in the high 20s + prospect + player would be acceptable no?
- grim1911

You think were gonna go more than 2 rounds in the playoffs?

But yea, a mid-round 1st+top defensive prospect+roster player is worth more. The difference between a 15-20 pick and the 8th pick isnt worth the difference between Schenn and Vorachek... And depending on the roster player, that could easily be more valuable thab a 3rd

agreed...but my main point was that the Leafs should use their assets they have available for a number one center, on a number one goalie instead. Merely used Millers possible availability as an example and a Buffalo fan decided to display his intellect.
- noename09

I figured that I just don't know how many "proven" and "still in their prime" goaltenders are on the market. You have the "unprovens" in Bernier, Bishop, Schneider and Lindback who maybe available for the right price but really nothing else except some vets. if Toronto wants to upgrade their goaltending problem for the playoffs this year then they are probably not going after a 'prospect" type but more for a verteran type who's been there before (playoff experience).

You think were gonna go more than 2 rounds in the playoffs?

But yea, a mid-round 1st+top defensive prospect+roster player is worth more. The difference between a 15-20 pick and the 8th pick isnt worth the difference between Schenn and Vorachek... And depending on the roster player, that could easily be more valuable thab a 3rd
- Feeling Glucky?

Whats getting to the 2nd round have to do with anything?
It's based on how you finished in the standings.
Once again you are overvaluing Schenn.

Grabo 1 point in 7 games... WTF? when we need him the most our secondary scoring dries up.

I figured that I just don't know how many "proven" and "still in their prime" goaltenders are on the market. You have the "unprovens" in Bernier, Bishop, Schneider and Lindback who maybe available for the right price but really nothing else except some vets. if Toronto wants to upgrade their goaltending problem for the playoffs this year then they are probably not going after a 'prospect" type but more for a verteran type who's been there before (playoff experience).
- Gambi99

dont really have to be a "shopped" goalie....start talking to a few GMs...offer them a nice hefty package and go from there. You never know.

fine...ill sweeten the pot.

Komisarek, Gus, Lombardi and Orr.

That way you will have a good backup for Enroth, a better defender to take Myers roster spot, a speedy winger to play with Pominville and Orr to beat up the guys who run Enroth.
- noename09

Komi is complete crap. I would take Grags or Joe Finley over Komi and his contract.

Gustav has only shown blips of being a decent goaltender but he is a UFA next year and I don't wat him. Lombardi has a horrible contract and is completely injury prone and we don't need hte second coming of Tim Connolly. Orr - yes he is a tough guy and that is something the Sabres need more of but he could be the worst skating and worst point production guy I've seen. I think Andrew Peters might of have more goals than Orr did in the NHL.

Thanks for "sweeting the pot" for me there.

How about Luke Adam, Corey Tropp, Cody McCormick, and Paul Sczczchura for Phil Kessel?

I figured that I just don't know how many "proven" and "still in their prime" goaltenders are on the market. You have the "unprovens" in Bernier, Bishop, Schneider and Lindback who maybe available for the right price but really nothing else except some vets. if Toronto wants to upgrade their goaltending problem for the playoffs this year then they are probably not going after a 'prospect" type but more for a verteran type who's been there before (playoff experience).
- Gambi99

No, we wont be making the playoffs this year...no since trading for a short term bandaid.
It would need to be a long term fix.

Whats getting to the 2nd round have to do with anything?
It's based on how you finished in the standings.
Once again you are overvaluing Schenn.
- Fakepartofme

He's referencing the range of the 1st round pick you provided.

just stop.
You wont get either of those assets for Schenn.
Well, ok, *maybe* their first.
- GoneFullRetard

Is Schenn even 23 yet? Everyone is so down on him, but let's be practical here...he is a long way from his prime and only has his best years ahead.

If a team doesn't want to give the Leafs a goalie prospect and late first, they're doing the organization and Leaf fans a favour if you ask me.

All through the late 90's early 00's Howard Berger and Leafs fans were begging for a big strong shutdown D-man...give him some time to develop; Schenn will end up being that guy, but patience is necessay.

You think were gonna go more than 2 rounds in the playoffs?

But yea, a mid-round 1st+mediocre defensive prospect+roster player is worth more. The difference between a 15-20 pick and the 8th pick isnt worth the difference between Schenn and Vorachek... And depending on the roster player, that could easily be more valuable thab a 3rd
- Feeling Glucky?

fixed

Grabo 1 point in 7 games... WTF? when we need him the most our secondary scoring dries up.
- senstroll

So does our goaltending and D.
Folding under the pressure.

Is Schenn even 23 yet? Everyone is so down on him, but let's be practical here...he is a long way from his prime and only has his best years ahead.

If a team doesn't want to give the Leafs a goalie prospect and late first, they're doing the organization and Leaf fans a favour if you ask me.

All through the late 90's early 00's Howard Berger and Leafs fans were begging for a big strong shutdown D-man...give him some time to develop; Schenn will end up being that guy, but patience is necessay.
- Deeps27

No proof of that ever happening.

Whats getting to the 2nd round have to do with anything?
It's based on how you finished in the standings.
Once again you are overvaluing Schenn.
- Fakepartofme

No I fixed Schenn's value