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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 22 @ 1:05 PM ET
He thinks he was treated well simply cause he was Jagr. I bet they don't care about the average player.
- 2Real


Without a doubt.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 1:05 PM ET
I asked her if he ever googles.
- bodiva88


I get beer googles all the time..
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:05 PM ET
In order for the Flyers to have a legit shot of making some noise in the playoffs two things have to happen. The PK must improve dramatically, as well as the goaltending.

These are major issues obviously, but can be rectified rather easily. Stop taking so many undisciplined penalties, and start making the routine saves. Those two things would go a long way in improving both areas of concern.

- PLindbergh31

i'll give the pk a pass yesterday since kubina and grossman are new but next game if i dont' see an improvement i'm flipping poop
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 22 @ 1:06 PM ET
In order for the Flyers to have a legit shot of making some noise in the playoffs two things have to happen. The PK must improve dramatically, as well as the goaltending.

These are major issues obviously, but can be rectified rather easily. Stop taking so many undisciplined penalties, and start making the routine saves. Those two things would go a long way in improving both areas of concern.

- PLindbergh31

If goaltending improves, then the pk will as well. It's not all his fault, but your best pker must be your goalie. Go Bryz.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 22 @ 1:07 PM ET
just saw that. delco times have a new guy yet?
- OrangeBlack27


Some dude named, "Associated Press." Poor guy needs to have a talk with his parents.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 22 @ 1:07 PM ET
I disagree. It's Bryz or nothing. He is struggling, but part of it is the system the FLyers play. Part of it is not having those crease clearing D-men until now. And part of it is mental... Hopefully if Lavi address number 1, and number 2 being addressed already... Number 3 will address itself...
- RooNosHockey


What system do the Flyers play? How should Lava fix it? Not trying to be confrontational, just curious.

Personally, I don't see No. 3 addressing itself. I think the team needs to bring in help for both Bryz and Bob. Maybe a guy like Ian Clark. Maybe somebody who specializes in sports psychology. Maybe both.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 1:08 PM ET
i'll give the pk a pass yesterday since kubina and grossman are new but next game if i dont' see an improvement i'm flipping poop
- 2Real


Yes, a transition period working the new d-men into the PK has to be granted. Not sure I would have had both of them together out on the PK that quickly.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 1:09 PM ET
Some dude named, "Associated Press." Poor guy needs to have a talk with his parents.
- Flyskippy


full marks for making it this far, though. a lesser man would not have made it through childhood being called Ass Press.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 1:09 PM ET
In order for the Flyers to have a legit shot of making some noise in the playoffs two things have to happen. The PK must improve dramatically, as well as the goaltending.

These are major issues obviously, but can be rectified rather easily. Stop taking so many undisciplined penalties, and start making the routine saves. Those two things would go a long way in improving both areas of concern.

- PLindbergh31


Agree in paragraph 1 completely.

But they also need the forwards to support the D, instead of heading up ice for the outlet pass. And on the PK, they just need to play better. Forwards are getting way out of position.

That should help the Goaltending not be so exposed, which should give Bryz some confidence, which hopefully should fix the soft goals...
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 22 @ 1:10 PM ET
full marks for making it this far, though. a lesser man would not have made it through childhood being called Ass Press.
- OrangeBlack27



O'ciated is an Irish middle name?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 1:10 PM ET
If goaltending improves, then the pk will as well. It's not all his fault, but your best pker must be your goalie. Go Bryz.
- Deasr1


No question. As I mentioned last night, the goaltender essentially has to be your best penalty killer, obviously right now the Flyers goalies aren't capable of being that. So the solution at the moment is to take fewer penalties.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 22 @ 1:12 PM ET
i'll give the pk a pass yesterday since kubina and grossman are new but next game if i dont' see an improvement i'm flipping poop
- 2Real


2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:12 PM ET
Yes, a transition period working the new d-men into the PK has to be granted. Not sure I would have had both of them together out on the PK that quickly.
- PLindbergh31

True but I guess you gotta learn your limitations
Lavy probably picked a bad time to learn that though
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:13 PM ET

- rockychocbill

RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 1:14 PM ET
What system do the Flyers play? How should Lava fix it? Not trying to be confrontational, just curious.

Personally, I don't see No. 3 addressing itself. I think the team needs to bring in help for both Bryz and Bob. Maybe a guy like Ian Clark. Maybe somebody who specializes in sports psychology. Maybe both.

- rockychocbill


The Flyers play an attack first system. The forwards are pressing so hard to move up ice, they leave the defensive zone before full puck control. They also forecheck so hard that often the defensive team can easily outlet pass for odd-man rushes. It's Lavi's system. He used it to win the cup in Carolina, but the forwards were slightly better defensively, and the goalie was a little more clutch.

I do think that if you cut down on the quality chances Bryz sees, and the goals go down, then he will get confident and the soft goals will stop... But it is just my opinion.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 1:14 PM ET
Agree in paragraph 1 completely.

But they also need the forwards to support the D, instead of heading up ice for the outlet pass. And on the PK, they just need to play better. Forwards are getting way out of position.

That should help the Goaltending not be so exposed, which should give Bryz some confidence, which hopefully should fix the soft goals...

- RooNosHockey


The forwards have to be held accountable with the lack of PK success of late. Right now it's failing on every level. Not getting big saves from the goaltender, d-men losing their men down low, and forwards not supporting, blocking shots, getting in the passing lanes etc. It's a mess right now.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 22 @ 1:14 PM ET
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
CBJ trades Antoine Vermette to PHX.

- PLindbergh31



Dominos....
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 1:17 PM ET

- rockychocbill

if that ain't what the faces of NHL defensemen should look like I don't know what is
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 22 @ 1:18 PM ET
Dominos....
- hockeylover

for the 4rth time
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:19 PM ET
Dominos....
- hockeylover

sets the stage for nash to philly
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 1:19 PM ET
The forwards have to be held accountable with the lack of PK success of late. Right now it's failing on every level. Not getting big saves from the goaltender, d-men losing their men down low, and forwards not supporting, blocking shots, getting in the passing lanes etc. It's a mess right now.
- PLindbergh31

Once that PK comes together this will be the best team in the league.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 1:19 PM ET
The forwards have to be held accountable with the lack of PK success of late. Right now it's failing on every level. Not getting big saves from the goaltender, d-men losing their men down low, and forwards not supporting, blocking shots, getting in the passing lanes etc. It's a mess right now.
- PLindbergh31


I think this is KEY. We have guys trying to stick check on the PK instead of guys like Lappy, Betts, and Richards that layed out in front of shots.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 22 @ 1:21 PM ET
The Flyers play an attack first system. The forwards are pressing so hard to move up ice, they leave the defensive zone before full puck control. They also forecheck so hard that often the defensive team can easily outlet pass for odd-man rushes. It's Lavi's system. He used it to win the cup in Carolina, but the forwards were slightly better defensively, and the goalie was a little more clutch.

I do think that if you cut down on the quality chances Bryz sees, and the goals go down, then he will get confident and the soft goals will stop... But it is just my opinion.

- RooNosHockey


Well I don't see Lava changing that system much given the personnel we have. We're not Phoenix or Nashville in that we have to play an ultra conservative game. There should be no issues with an "attacking" style of play as long as the forwards are responsible and not all down below the hash marks unless we have the puck to the crease.

It's not the quality chances that Bryz has struggled with. He's actually made some great saves on some quality chances. It's the somewhat routine stops that he's struggled with. No amount of team D or systems play can cover for those.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:21 PM ET
Dominos....
- hockeylover[/quote

For shoooooo'
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 22 @ 1:24 PM ET
sets the stage for nash to philly
- 2Real


Since its being reported we are out of it, we will probably end up with him lol. Columbus should look into a 3 way deal, they may get more that way than trying to clean out one team's assets.
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