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puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:10 PM ET
For that cap hit and how much it would gut our depth, he would have to score 70 to make up for it.
- MBFlyerfan



We have loads of assets, we even have a few kids that would stick, but can't because of the depth we have, honestly, a 50 goal scorer on our top line with Giroux & Hartnell?

I love Bob, but he will never start here, (not for a long while), and we have younger goalies in the pipeline.

His cap hit is high, agreed, (Briere makes a million less), and we're talking a consistent stud who produces without a center, oh, I'm getting gooey again thinking about it.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:10 PM ET
They would be. My concerns with Nash are his cap hit and what assets it would cost to get him. He'd be an absolute monster next to G
- Jsaquella


I agree, but JVR will be a monster next to G as well.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:11 PM ET
We have loads of assets, we even have a few kids that would stick, but can't because of the depth we have, honestly, a 50 goal scorer on our top line with Giroux & Hartnell?

I love Bob, but he will never start here, (not for a long while), and we have younger goalies in the pipeline.

His cap hit is high, agreed, (Briere makes a million less), and we're talking a consistent stud who produces without a center, oh, I'm getting gooey again thinking about it.

- puckhead17


Rick Nash has never scored 50 goals.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:11 PM ET
Not a lot of guys that fit the bill, cap wise. They'll have to trade a body, being at 50 deals. Homer's not afraid to make a deal, though. We'll see what happens, obviously, but I agree, if this is what we start playoffs with, I'm good to go.
- Jsaquella



It must baffle some that I said "assuming the goalies get their act together". AMAZING that I could acknowledge they need to play better without being Captain Meany Pants!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:11 PM ET
My only concern is Coutrier hitting the wall and becoming an ineffective penalty killer. Read has really struggled short-handed lately, and we might run out of bodies there. Adding a guy like Moen or Gaustad could really help down the stretch and into the playoffs.
- LordStanley88


That would be a primary reason that I'd be looking to add a guy like that. Couturier's going to have a good career, but he's slipped a bit in his overall play. It wouldn't hurt him to watch a few games from the pressbox here and there
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:12 PM ET
i watched it and it was pretty interesting. Especially Richards hitting the gym after a loss.
- MBFlyerfan



GYM or GIN???




sorry
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:13 PM ET
Rick Nash has never scored 50 goals.
- LordStanley88



correct

think he'd only get 30 next to Giroux??
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:13 PM ET
It must baffle some that I said "assuming the goalies get their act together". AMAZING that I could acknowledge they need to play better without being Captain Meany Pants!
- MBFlyerfan


Well, there's no other way to say it. The goaltending has to improve. That is understood, or should be at this point.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:14 PM ET
What would you trade Bob For a 1st? 2nd? another player?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 22 @ 10:14 PM ET
What would you trade Bob For a 1st? 2nd? another player?
- Slammed81

Depends on whose 1st.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:15 PM ET
correct

think he'd only get 30 next to Giroux??

- puckhead17


I think he'd get 50 next to G, but I don't see how we can make it work financially. JVR has the potential to be a Nash type of player. Let's just let him develop.

Furthermore, we need the money to acquire a defenseman in the off-season.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:15 PM ET
What would you trade Bob For a 1st? 2nd? another player?
- Slammed81


I'd want a 1st round pick.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:15 PM ET
What would you trade Bob For a 1st? 2nd? another player?
- Slammed81



If you do it's in a package, you would never get full worth, (like what was mentioned earlier about Bernier)
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:17 PM ET
I think he'd get 50 next to G, but I don't see how we can make it work financially. JVR has the potential to be a Nash type of player. Let's just let him develop.

Furthermore, we need the money to acquire a defenseman in the off-season.

- LordStanley88



He does have the potential, but if anyone has the assets to make that work, we do, and we would still have plenty of pieces
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Feb 22 @ 10:23 PM ET
correct

think he'd only get 30 next to Giroux??

- puckhead17

I would rather have the depth than load up on top heavy líneup. If jvr was the only young forward it would take, then I would be giddy about getting Nash but his cap hit is crushing. I keep the multiple players it would require to acquire The logic being those players produce equal or better cumulatively than Nash's production, cap hits are around the same and your line up has more balance. Just my opinion
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:24 PM ET
He does have the potential, but if anyone has the assets to make that work, we do, and we would still have plenty of pieces
- puckhead17


We have the assets, but lack the cap flexibility IMO. We need that money to sign defenseman in the summer.

Would you rather have JVR + Suter or Nash? It's an easy answer.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:25 PM ET
Well, there's no other way to say it. The goaltending has to improve. That is understood, or should be at this point.
- Jsaquella


I don't think there is a person, a fan, here or anywhere who doesn't agree that the goaltending needs to improve. Yet somehow when I get on someone who is just being mean spirited or unreasonable, somehow they believe I am saying the goalies are fine. And state as much.


Ill never get it.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:26 PM ET
I would rather have the depth than load up on top heavy líneup. If jvr was the only young player it would take, then I would be giddy about getting Nash but his cap hit is crushing. I keep the multiple players it would require to acquire The logic being those players produce equal or better cumulatively than Nash's production, cap hits are around the same and your line up has more balance. Just my opinion
- KINGKENZO


For a year or 2, yes, & then everybody wants to get paid, trading Bob and 2 forwards, (at most), still gives you balance, top heavy is having one good line

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:26 PM ET
I don't think there is a person, a fan, here or anywhere who doesn't agree that the goaltending needs to improve. Yet somehow when I get on someone who is just being mean spirited or unreasonable, somehow they believe I am saying the goalies are fine. And state as much.


Ill never get it.

- MBFlyerfan


True enough.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:26 PM ET
We have the assets, but lack the cap flexibility IMO. We need that money to sign defenseman in the summer.

Would you rather have JVR + Suter or Nash? It's an easy answer.

- LordStanley88


REAL easy answer....depending on who is answering of course.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:31 PM ET
We have the assets, but lack the cap flexibility IMO. We need that money to sign defenseman in the summer.

Would you rather have JVR + Suter or Nash? It's an easy answer.

- LordStanley88



Yeah, that's a great question, (I would take Weber over Nash, but JVR & Suter)??

Everyone is saying that Suter can command up to $6.5 or maybe $7 million a season, (because he's a UFA), but no one would whine about Suter's cap hit if he were that high, but Nash's is considered worse by being a little higher.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:31 PM ET
We complain about our goalies and defense. But it could be worse, we could be the Kings and have forgotten how to score.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:31 PM ET
Its amazing the Kings cannot score goals...unreal
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:32 PM ET
Yeah, that's a great question, (I would take Weber over Nash, but JVR & Suter)??

Everyone is saying that Suter can command up to $6.5 or maybe $7 million a season, (because he's a UFA), but no one would whine about Suter's cap hit if he were that high, but Nash's is considered worse by being a little higher.

- puckhead17

because great Dmen are hard to find
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:32 PM ET
Yeah, that's a great question, (I would take Weber over Nash, but JVR & Suter)??

Everyone is saying that Suter can command up to $6.5 or maybe $7 million a season, (because he's a UFA), but no one would whine about Suter's cap hit if he were that high, but Nash's is considered worse by being a little higher.

- puckhead17



Most of us believe that you build from the net out. And if that kind of scratch is going to a player, wing is the last position I would spend it at.
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