Watch for potholes! Traveling on Pendot roads
- Just5

Oh indeed. The ride will be really bumpy, but we are gonna get there!!!Sooner rather then later I hope.

Is there another team in the league with a young group of players on their roster like Schenn, JvR, Couturier, Read?
- Flyers2821

amazing to think we have them right? amazing that we have the pieces to acquire nash

With the recently revised top 6, in what order would you rank our depth D-men now? I've given my ranking thoughts below.

Top 6
Kimmo Timonen
Matt Carle
Braydon Coburn
Pavel Kubina
Andrej Meszaros
Nicklas Grossman

Depth
Andreas Lilja
Marc-Andre Bourdon
Matt Walker
Erik Gustafsson
Oskars Bartulis
- rockychocbill

Kimmo Timonen
Pavel Kubina
Brayden Coburn
Matt Carle
Andrej Meszaros
Nicklas Grossman

depth

Marc-Andre Burdon
Erik Gustafsson
Andreas Lilja

Not a factor at all anymore

Matt Walker
Oskars Bartulis.

Kimmo Timonen
Pavel Kubina
Brayden Coburn
Matt Carle
Andrej Meszaros
Nicklas Grossman

depth

Marc-Andre Burdon
Erik Gustafsson
Andreas Lilja

Not a factor at all anymore

Matt Walker
Oskars Bartulis.
- roenick97

i think it's great we bump players like bourdon and gusty back to the AHL

they're not crap but they need more time to develop as defenseman and rushing them would only hurt them

Kimmo Timonen
Pavel Kubina
Brayden Coburn
Matt Carle
Andrej Meszaros
Nicklas Grossman

depth

Marc-Andre Burdon
Erik Gustafsson
Andreas Lilja

Not a factor at all anymore

Matt Walker
Oskars Bartulis.
- roenick97

Can skate backwards

Dennis Adams

amazing to think we have them right? amazing that we have the pieces to acquire nash
- 2Real

Keep the Nash talk going, I love it!

Keep the Nash talk going, I love it!
- Deasr1

it's entirely possible to fit him in though

I'm really getting irritated with this Philly looking for goalie rumors. We need a big, faceoff winning, penalty killing machine.
- Deasr1

Gustaud would round things out nicely.

it's entirely possible to fit him in though
- 2Real

Do tell.

Gustaud would round things out nicely.
- 2731color

Probably cost too high.

Probably cost too high.
- Deasr1

2high

it's entirely possible to fit him in though
- 2Real

Without gutting the team's youth and salary cap? What do you propose? And replacing 3 or 4 players with 1 player still leaves vacancies; how do we fill those as well?

Is Grossman the first d-man to wear #8 since marsh?
- hammarby31

Numerous people have noted Walker by now. I believe Michel Petit also wore 8 during brief time here, as did Rory Fitzpatrick. Grossman is the first regular starting six guy since Murray Baron and, before him, Marsh.

i think it's great we bump players like bourdon and gusty back to the AHL

they're not crap but they need more time to develop as defenseman and rushing them would only hurt them
- 2Real

I was hoping one or both could play solid enough to stick. It did become somewhat obvious that wasn't going to happen. I hope one or both are able to make and stick with the big club for at least a few seasons down the road.

Kubina is essentially 35 now. It will be very interesting to see what happens with him in the off season. That's assuming he plays solid the rest of the way. Same for Grossman but he's only 27 and makes less. I think Homer really tries to re-sign him if he stays steady.

Without gutting the team's youth and salary cap? What do you propose? And replacing 3 or 4 players with 1 player still leaves vacancies; how do we fill those as well?
- steelydan

It has begun.

Do tell.
- Deasr1

JVR Carle 1st

Nash > JVR at any point of JVR's career going forward

Carle walks at the end of the season so might as well cut losses

1st is a throw in to thank clb for giving us voracek and couturier

Numerous people have noted Walker by now. I believe Michel Petit also wore 8 during brief time here, as did Rory Fitzpatrick. Grossman is the first regular starting six guy since Murray Baron and, before him, Marsh.
- bmeltzer

The mention of Rory Fitzpatrick cracks me up Bill.

JVR Carle 1st

Nash > JVR at any point of JVR's career going forward

Carle walks at the end of the season so might as well cut losses

1st is a throw in to thank clb for giving us voracek and couturier
- 2Real

Then you need another dman

The mention of Rory Fitzpatrick cracks me up Bill.
- 2Real

Magnus Roupe

Then you need another dman
- Deasr1

so we sign suter in the off season

Numerous people have noted Walker by now. I believe Michel Petit also wore 8 during brief time here, as did Rory Fitzpatrick. Grossman is the first regular starting six guy since Murray Baron and, before him, Marsh.
- bmeltzer

There will only EVER be one No. 8 for me on the Flyers.

...........and no, it isn't Brent Fedyk.

I was hoping one or both could play solid enough to stick. It did become somewhat obvious that wasn't going to happen. I hope one or both are able to make and stick with the big club for at least a few seasons down the road.

Kubina is essentially 35 now. It will be very interesting to see what happens with him in the off season. That's assuming he plays a solid the rest of the way. Same for Grossman but he's only 27 and makes less. I think Homer really tries to re-sign him if he stays steady.
- rockychocbill

Judging by Kubina's interview, he seemed personally offended when Tampa traded him. He also mentioned staying in Philly after this year. He *could* just be playing the right cards as an impending FA, but something tells me that he doesn't like change and just wants to keep things normal (perhaps he's a family guy?) That being said, he may be willing to accept a cap-friendly deal here.

As for Grossman? Who knows. Young and deserving of a raise, you never know what could happen. Add in Carle's instability, and we need to keep one (or both) of Grossman and Carle.

Lastly, any reason why we don't see this starting 6 being back next year? Assuming Pronger is retired, Carle can receive his expected raise. And once Timonen's contract expires, he will retire or likely sign a more cap-friendly contract. At that point, we have his cap-hit available to sign a guy-of-the-future. I don't see a NEED to go after a Suter this year, unless our D looks horrible down the stretch. I think we may be set for the forseeable future...

Gustaud would round things out nicely.
- 2731color

He would but I would also settle for Jarrod Stoll. If I understand right, Stoll is good friends with Scott Hartnell. Hartnell golf for Stoll's charity event every year in Alberta if i'm not mistaken.

Judging by Kubina's interview, he seemed personally offended when Tampa traded him. He also mentioned staying in Philly after this year. He *could* just be playing the right cards as an impending FA, but something tells me that he doesn't like change and just wants to keep things normal (perhaps he's a family guy?) That being said, he may be willing to accept a cap-friendly deal here.

As for Grossman? Who knows. Young and deserving of a raise, you never know what could happen. Add in Carle's instability, and we need to keep one (or both) of Grossman and Carle.

Lastly, any reason why we don't see this starting 6 being back next year? Assuming Pronger is retired, Carle can receive his expected raise. And once Timonen's contract expires, he will retire or likely sign a more cap-friendly contract. At that point, we have his cap-hit available to sign a guy-of-the-future. I don't see a NEED to go after a Suter this year, unless our D looks horrible down the stretch. I think we may be set for the forseeable future...
- steelydan

If Grossman is re-sign, please ship Lilja out. I don't hate the guy and I understand his cap hit is cap friendly but from my understanding so is Gus and Burdon's cap hits. Why waste the contact slot? With Lappy, Leighton and Betts coming off the books, that's a pretty big deal but sadly we're left with Pronger's (no offense to the big guy).

He would but I would also settle for Jarrod Stoll. If I understand right, Stoll is good friends with Scott Hartnell. Hartnell golf for Stoll's charity event every year in Alberta if i'm not mistaken.
- roenick97

Stoll is a career -11 I believe. Might want a little better.