All of you saying Detroit overpaid are obviously not familiar with Detroit's farm system. We are overstocked with talent as is, we don't need the (LATE) 1st round pick. Besides, Detroit does better with late round picks anyways.

I don't think it went quite like that, if I remember correctly neither would break the top 7 (Lindstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart, Chelios, Erickson, Lebda/Lilja). Meech still had options at the time and Quincey didn't (hence the waivers). Maybe I'm wrong though.

My main problem with Quincey is that he's been pretty brittle recently. If he can stay healthy it could be a great pickup.

The fact that they traded their #1 pick is fine since the Wings never have 1st round picks and this pick will practically be a 2nd round pick anyways.

Since they traded it now for another defense man means they probably won't be getting a nice rental forward though. Not sure I like that. Holland usually knows what he's doing though.
- noffsin6

i think if we can get Gaustad
he would be cheaper then a Steve Ott or Morrow from Dallas

I don't think it went quite like that, if I remember correctly neither would break the top 7 (Lindstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart, Chelios, Erickson, Lebda/Lilja). Meech still had options at the time and Quincey didn't (hence the waivers). Maybe I'm wrong though.

My main problem with Quincey is that he's been pretty brittle recently. If he can stay healthy it could be a great pickup.

The fact that they traded their #1 pick is fine since the Wings never have 1st round picks and this pick will practically be a 2nd round pick anyways.

Since they traded it now for another defense man means they probably won't be getting a nice rental forward though. Not sure I like that. Holland usually knows what he's doing though.
- noffsin6

Yeah it's a practical move that sets them up for this year and next year, but would have been fun to throw that first and a prospect towards a bigger deal. Haha how bout Stevey Y just wheelin' and dealin', love it.

Yeah it's a practical move that sets them up for this year and next year, but would have been fun to throw that first and a prospect towards a bigger deal. Haha how bout Stevey Y just wheelin' and dealin', love it.
- tmanv

I was hoping we could get a decent rental for a 1st and Hulder while he's relatively hot. Probably dreaming though.

I don't think it went quite like that, if I remember correctly neither would break the top 7 (Lindstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart, Chelios, Erickson, Lebda/Lilja). Meech still had options at the time and Quincey didn't (hence the waivers). Maybe I'm wrong though.

My main problem with Quincey is that he's been pretty brittle recently. If he can stay healthy it could be a great pickup.

The fact that they traded their #1 pick is fine since the Wings never have 1st round picks and this pick will practically be a 2nd round pick anyways.

Since they traded it now for another defense man means they probably won't be getting a nice rental forward though. Not sure I like that. Holland usually knows what he's doing though.
- noffsin6

Not true. Detroit still has plenty of cap space to add salary for this season, since everything is pro-rated. Like in the $20 million range in terms of full-season hits.

The only actual problem is that Detroit is now at the 50-man contract limit, so they would need to move a body out of their system, at some level, in order to bring someone else in.

Does this trade now allow Holland to ship Kindl+ to the Oilers for Hemsky?

Quincey is a great pickup- he will be the point on the second line power play, something we have desperately needed, no offense with Hudler but he was out of his element. A first rounder for a top four defenseman who can play the point, I think we still need a top six forward or two but Quincey was a huge, huge pickup.

A very low 1st for a top 4 dman isnt very good. It also makes Det prolly the best team in the NHL. It will help with datsuk going down. Also it gives det an option if Stuart doesnt resign like rumored or if Lidstrom doesnt come back even though he probably will

DO not trade for Ales Hemsky, and yes, he overpaid for Quincey, I thought it was an error at first. Maybe they won't have to see Anders, oops, I mean Jonathan Ericsson cough up the puck anymore. Why oh why did they resign him last year.

Dude, you realize that 1st rounder is most likely going to be the 30th overall, Unlike L.A's top ten pick.
- Whiskey-Tango

Yes I do, but a 1st is a 1st, let alone they also added a prospect. Yzerman sticking it to his old GM

Yes I do, but a 1st is a 1st, let alone they also added a prospect. Yzerman sticking it to his old GM
- tantrum4

Guy's been bouncing between ECHL and AHL, not exactly a sure thing.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=82996

DO not trade for Ales Hemsky, and yes, he overpaid for Quincey, I thought it was an error at first. Maybe they won't have to see Anders, oops, I mean Jonathan Ericsson cough up the puck anymore. Why oh why did they resign him last year.
- poetjeff

Have you guys seen what people have been giving up for Dman at this trade deadline. I have no idea how Det thinks they lose this. 1sts outside the top 10 aren't worth nearly as much and picks between 20-30 are pretty much glorified 2nds.

Yes I do, but a 1st is a 1st, let alone they also added a prospect. Yzerman sticking it to his old GM
- tantrum4

Piche is barely a prospect. Undrafted, already 24 years old, still playing in the ECHL. Tampa probably only agreed to take him because Detroit needed to move out a body in order to add Quincey without going over the 50-man contract limit.

And you don't think a low first-rounder in a weak draft is worth a 26-year-old RFA defenseman playing No. 2 minutes and getting work on both special teams units? Maybe a rebuilding team says no to that deal, but a Cup contender with a handful of good forward prospects and an organizational need at defense will take it every single time.

Great deal for Detroit.

Guy's been bouncing between ECHL and AHL, not exactly a sure thing.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=82996
- tmanv

Fair enough, but if an RFA with 23 points nets a 1st and a prospect, Lombardi must be smiling ear to ear thinking what he could get for Voynov or Johnson now. That may be the trade that makes Howson realize how valuable those 2 really are and pull the trigger on Nash.

Piche is barely a prospect. Undrafted, already 24 years old, still playing in the ECHL. Tampa probably only agreed to take him because Detroit needed to move out a body in order to add Quincey without going over the 50-man contract limit.

And you don't think a low first-rounder in a weak draft is worth a 26-year-old RFA defenseman playing No. 2 minutes and getting work on both special teams units? Maybe a rebuilding team says no to that deal, but a Cup contender with a handful of good forward prospects and an organizational need at defense will take it every single time.

Great deal for Detroit.
- Sven22

Hey I understand you guys are going to defend Holland till the day you day regarding any trade he makes after what he's done for the Red Wings and I would too, but I'm sorry, he totally got hosed on this one.

Not true. Detroit still has plenty of cap space to add salary for this season, since everything is pro-rated. Like in the $20 million range in terms of full-season hits.

The only actual problem is that Detroit is now at the 50-man contract limit, so they would need to move a body out of their system, at some level, in order to bring someone else in.
- Sven22

According to CapGeek:
With Sebastien Piche going to TB, RedWings have 51 contracts. One is junior goalie Petr Mrazek, who doesn't count toward 50-man limit.

According to CapGeek:
With Sebastien Piche going to TB, RedWings have 51 contracts. One is junior goalie Petr Mrazek, who doesn't count toward 50-man limit.
- drice97

Right. That's where I got my info. Bottom line is they are at the limit.

Biggest trade rape of the year on Detroit!! WTF is Holland doing??
- tantrum4

Yeah, right. That's why the Wings will keep winning Cups and the Kings never will. And Dean Lombardi wishes he could have 1/10 of the talent as GM that Holland has.

Hey I understand you guys are going to defend Holland till the day you day regarding any trade he makes after what he's done for the Red Wings and I would too, but I'm sorry, he totally got hosed on this one.
- tantrum4

Steep price sure, I definitely wouldn't say hosed at all.

Dude, you realize that 1st rounder is most likely going to be the 30th overall, Unlike L.A's top ten pick.
- Whiskey-Tango

And the Kings will still be without a Cup even with all those top 10 and the Wings will add 2-3 more Cup banners to the rafter collection.

Fair enough, but if an RFA with 23 points nets a 1st and a prospect, Lombardi must be smiling ear to ear thinking what he could get for Voynov or Johnson now. That may be the trade that makes Howson realize how valuable those 2 really are and pull the trigger on Nash.
- tantrum4

Lol you trollin. Speaking of trolling how is that richards deal working out for you
your offense is SOOOO good now and Simmonds isnt doing well for philly at all ( 21g 17a for a 3rd line grinder)

Is some one jealous of detroit lmao

I am just saying its kind of sad when some schmuck from LA is trying to troll and the guy from Col isnt

Yes I do, but a 1st is a 1st, let alone they also added a prospect. Yzerman sticking it to his old GM
- tantrum4

Ya.....you realize Detroit wanted Quincey right??? But Colorado would not trade him to a conference rival, insert Tampa. If anything Yzerman is helping Detroit. Learn some hockey.

Pretty shocked. Heard on the radio that downie was traded, just got home from work and see Detroit drops the 1st to get Quincey back?? Bit of an overpayment, for a first you would think there could have been some better options, but it's not like he's a bad player. Ah well, shores up the D anyways.
- tmanv

a 1st isnt going to help you in the playoffs. maybe KH thinks there is going to be a log jam in GR in the next 1 to 2 years and is trying to avoid the same thing from happening again. ...minus chelios

Hey I understand you guys are going to defend Holland till the day you day regarding any trade he makes after what he's done for the Red Wings and I would too, but I'm sorry, he totally got hosed on this one.
- tantrum4

PENNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!