We traded an average 2nd pairing Dman to give us one of the better bottom players in the league.

Also the first round pick would be between 26th-30th so not really worth that much. Everyone from the EAst thinks the avs won this deal and the only people who thinks the avs have lost is people from the avs or people who have no idea who downie is.

It was a good trade. Calm the (frank) down
- Meeqsb

Everybody is allowed to express their own opinion my friend and you should welcome it...makes this board interesting. You know, some Wings fan are crying over for the 1st pick they gave for Quincey so trades cannot makes everybody happy. Most of the times, people makes comment based on their little knowledge on players involved. Every trade is a gamble, thats why it is fun!

Lando Radar Muells
Dutch Stas Duke
Jones McC Downie

Solid top 3 lines

Everybody is allowed to express their own opinion my friend and you should welcome it...makes this board interesting. You know, some Wings fan are crying over for the 1st pick they gave for Quincey so trades cannot makes everybody happy. Most of the times, people makes comment based on their little knowledge on players involved. Every trade is a gamble, thats why it is fun!
- Dekker

I agree. Its just annoying when all these people come in and give sherman crap. He has taken a poop ton of risks by putting his job on the line and he has done a DAMN good job at being the Avs GM. He has brought in young core players to build around when the avs didn't have crap(remember when wolski and stastny was our only core?). He also doesnt sign any bad contracts. Each year the avs have slowly been getting better and better and he hasn't tried to take any shortcuts like teams like the wild have. He is doing it the right way and everytime he makes a trade people freak out like no other for no good reason.

Teams just dont get fleeced in trades that often anymore. Your GM can either make a smart even trade or get hosed. Sherman makes smart even trades. I know people had a reason to freak out when the fan favorite stewart was traded but look at him now. He is a 4th line player that the blues are having trouble getting rid of and EJ has been nothing but fantastic. We got mueller for wolski. Sure the avs gave up a mid round pick for Varly but now we have a true number 1 goalie to build around. A year after every trade is make the avs have won every one.

Lando Radar Muells
Dutch Stas Duke
Jones McC Downie

Solid top 3 lines
- jshapiro

Dont forget TJ and winnik are solid bottom 6. Hejduk is aging but Hishon has been called the next partick kane if he can stay healthy and I bet the avs get their top 6 wing in the next few years

Lando Radar Muells
Dutch Stas Duke
Jones McC Downie

Solid top 3 lines
- jshapiro

Except that line doesn't work

Lando Radar Muells
Dutch Stas Duke
Jones McC Downie

Solid top 3 lines
- jshapiro

Do you substitue Galiardi in as 3rd line center when he returns?

4th Line
Winnink-McC-Olver/McCleod/Kobasew

I was all for the Avs clearing out their log-jam at defense, but surely they could have done more to address needs at the forward ranks than Downie for arguably your best d-man this year in terms of start to finish consistency and production.

Hope the Avs are seeing more out of their prospects and Hunwick than I have this year as I rate most still a year away with only one of Barrie or Elliot being ready next year.

Guess this means the Avs have cashed it in as well since we now have the ever feared Hunwick ready to play and at least 8 bottom 6 forwards on the roster now.

I was all for the Avs clearing out their log-jam at defense, but surely they could have done more to address needs at the forward ranks than Downie for arguably your best d-man this year in terms of start to finish consistency and production.

Hope the Avs are seeing more out of their prospects and Hunwick than I have this year as I rate most still a year away with only one of Barrie or Elliot being ready next year.

Guess this means the Avs have cashed it in as well since we now have the ever feared Hunwick ready to play and at least 8 bottom 6 forwards on the roster now.
- Dyaciuk

We recalled Eliott so hopefully Hunwick doesn't play, though I might want Hunwick in over Hejda right now, that's saying something...that is really saying something.

So what number do you guys reckon Downie will wear?

I really wanted Downie

Where does this put the Avs in terms of Cap Space? I thought we were dangerously close to the floor as it is and we just gave up another $1.15 mil or so,

This trade is ridiculous. Sherman got hosed again. One of our better defenders for a third line forward. There is nothing good about this since Tampa was able to flip Quincey to DET for a first rounder and a prospect. Thats a high price and we look stupid for only getting Downie. Someone who has an ok scoring history and suspension issues. Terrible again Sherman.
- HarvP

As much as I despise Downie as a player, he's easily worth Quincey or a very late 1st rounder. You're lucky if you manage to get a player as productive as Downie along with his grit at 26th or later. Hell you're on the good side of luck if you manage to snag a guy who plays more than a couple seasons in the NHL in any capacity. I think it was a pretty fair trade all around.

I was all for the Avs clearing out their log-jam at defense, but surely they could have done more to address needs at the forward ranks than Downie for arguably your best d-man this year in terms of start to finish consistency and production.

Hope the Avs are seeing more out of their prospects and Hunwick than I have this year as I rate most still a year away with only one of Barrie or Elliot being ready next year.

Guess this means the Avs have cashed it in as well since we now have the ever feared Hunwick ready to play and at least 8 bottom 6 forwards on the roster now.
- Dyaciuk

I don't understand what people think we were going to get for quincy. The only thing I saw other teams offering up was either old players, washed up 1st round picks from 5 years ago, or more picks.

The avs got a good, young player that can make an impact right now rather than a risky prospect 4 years from now.

Where does this put the Avs in terms of Cap Space? I thought we were dangerously close to the floor as it is and we just gave up another $1.15 mil or so,
- CincyAvsFan

They are as close to the cap floor as they can be. Which is another reason stastny will probably be traded at the draft rather than the trade deadline.

As much as I despise Downie as a player, he's easily worth Quincey or a very late 1st rounder. You're lucky if you manage to get a player as productive as Downie along with his grit at 26th or later. Hell you're on the good side of luck if you manage to snag a guy who plays more than a couple seasons in the NHL in any capacity. I think it was a pretty fair trade all around.
- Double_A

Pretty much what I think and have been hearing from teams who play in the east who have actually seen downie play.

What I would like to know is why everyone is assuming Downie is a 3rd/4th liner and he is Cody Mac's replacement.. You guys do realize he is a 24 year old with a 22G 46 point season under his belt in his first full NHL season?

If he is as gritty as everyone says the Avs could definitly see some untapped potential. He also has 28 pts in 55 games this year. This guy could be fricken perfect grit/skill forward to play with Mueller & Duchene. If he does not work out there he will definitely work with O'Reilly and Landeskog.

Quincey is great but if this is another young kid that brings it every night I am all for it. That is one thing Quincey did not do was bring it every single night. Point production is more but about 10 points and the guy is still young.

I would much rather have Downie than that late ass No.30 1st rounder as well. They found a way to get a second line winger that fits into the core age group. Very unexpected but seriously talking about Cody Mac and Downie makes people sound f**kin stupid.

Btw.. VERY happy with this trade.. The kid is not a UFA.. He is kid.. Can produce.. Plays with grit.. He is not 28 or 29 and a big fN question mark like Kostitsyn.. 24 years old and known as a hard nosed player.. The Avs did way better than trading for some possible late 20s rental. (Which I was all about doing actually.)

I don't understand what people think we were going to get for quincy. The only thing I saw other teams offering up was either old players, washed up 1st round picks from 5 years ago, or more picks.

The avs got a good, young player that can make an impact right now rather than a risky prospect 4 years from now.
- Meeqsb

Maybe it wasn't what we could get for Quincey straight up, but what could be done with a package, I don't know I really don't hate or like the trade right now.

What I would like to know is why everyone is assuming Downie is a 3rd/4th liner and he is Cody Mac's replacement.. You guys do realize he is a 24 year old with a 22G 46 point season under his belt in his first full NHL season?

If he is as gritty as everyone says the Avs could definitly see some untapped potential. He also has 28 pts in 55 games this year. This guy could be fricken perfect grit/skill forward to play with Mueller & Duchene. If he does not work out there he will definitely work with O'Reilly and Landeskog.

Quincey is great but if this is another young kid that brings it every night I am all for it. That is one thing Quincey did not do was bring it every single night. Point production is more but about 10 points and the guy is still young.

I would much rather have Downie than that late ass No.30 1st rounder as well. They found a way to get a second line winger that fits into the core age group. Very unexpected but seriously talking about Cody Mac and Downie makes people sound f**kin stupid.
- Steve-B

Downie has the ability to play as a wing in the top 6 but ultimately his play style is a skilled very mean amazing grinder. The a perfect bottom 6 player. I would like to see him on a line with stastny and Jones though to see how that works out. Its not so much that he cant play top 6 minutes but long term he fits in with a Galli type style as a strong 3rd liner as a super energy guy.

Also look at his penalty minutes lmao. He can bring the meanness that Mcleod can bring which is why you see the comparison

Maybe it wasn't what we could get for Quincey straight up, but what could be done with a package, I don't know I really don't hate or like the trade right now.
- Avs-Ice

I cant think of a package deal that we could make where we wouldn't have overpaid. Those are best for the offseason imo. I think this was the best trade the avs can make.

I mean thinking of package deals are fun but they are terribly unrealistic. This year you either way overpay for a player like hal gill or you find a good even trade that works for both sides which is more of shermans style

Downie has the ability to play as a wing in the top 6 but ultimately his play style is a skilled very mean amazing grinder. The a perfect bottom 6 player. I would like to see him on a line with stastny and Jones though to see how that works out. Its not so much that he cant play top 6 minutes but long term he fits in with a Galli type style as a strong 3rd liner as a super energy guy.

Also look at his penalty minutes lmao. He can bring the meanness that Mcleod can bring which is why you see the comparison
- Meeqsb

Ok I was going to say.. Because Cody Mac does not put up near the points this kid does.. And for that matter neither does Galiardi.. Like I said.. the brass could see some untapped potential in the kid the way they looked at Flash. He is young enough and showed it that is for sure. 46 points in his first full season is nothing to balk at..

Look at his shooting %? Never been less than 12.. Get that kid to shoot more poop..

Ok I was going to say.. Because Cody Mac does not put up near the points this kid does.. And for that matter neither does Galiardi..
- Steve-B

No its just the type of player he is. High energy mean grinder with skill. What they are more likely saying is that if we dont have mcleod we will still have downie to beat the crap out of players who try anything funny

Avs now have 2 of the top 6 players in PIM this season lmao

What I would like to know is why everyone is assuming Downie is a 3rd/4th liner and he is Cody Mac's replacement.. You guys do realize he is a 24 year old with a 22G 46 point season under his belt in his first full NHL season?

If he is as gritty as everyone says the Avs could definitly see some untapped potential. He also has 28 pts in 55 games this year. This guy could be fricken perfect grit/skill forward to play with Mueller & Duchene. If he does not work out there he will definitely work with O'Reilly and Landeskog.

Quincey is great but if this is another young kid that brings it every night I am all for it. That is one thing Quincey did not do was bring it every single night. Point production is more but about 10 points and the guy is still young.

I would much rather have Downie than that late ass No.30 1st rounder as well. They found a way to get a second line winger that fits into the core age group. Very unexpected but seriously talking about Cody Mac and Downie makes people sound f**kin stupid.

Btw.. VERY happy with this trade.. The kid is not a UFA.. He is kid.. Can produce.. Plays with grit.. He is not 28 or 29 and a big fN question mark like Kostitsyn.. 24 years old and known as a hard nosed player.. The Avs did way better than trading for some possible late 20s rental. (Which I was all about doing actually.)
- Steve-B

I don't know that people are saying that Downie is only replacing Cody McCleod in terms of player for player, but more that it makes McCleod expendable because Downie will fight and agitate as well as McCleod, but he will also do other things better. With Downie, they can find a diffent type/more talented player than McCleod to round out their bottom 6.

Credit to Meesqb for offering a better answer than me in a quicker fashion.

Pretty much what I think and have been hearing from teams who play in the east who have actually seen downie play.
- Meeqsb

I've followed Downie from day one: lots of grit, never gives up on a play, decent hands, average skater, below-average hockey sense (still takes bad penalties at the worst possible times, easily goaded, does not always put pucks in safe areas, prone to defensive lapses).

I don't know that people are saying that Downie is only replacing Cody McCleod in terms of player for player, but more that it makes McCleod expendable because Downie will fight and agitate as well as McCleod, but he will also do other things better. With Downie, they can find a diffent type/more talented player than McCleod to round out their bottom 6.

Credit to Meesqb for offering a better answer than me in a quicker fashion.
- CincyAvsFan

Yeah I totally see that now. With ???? McC Winnik being almost your 4th line it does not leave much room for Cody Mac..

Quincy is a good player, but the avs had too many Dman. I mean hell Grossman got a 2nd and 3rd rounder and he is a 5-6 guy. So a low low 1st wasnt that much for him. Also there are rumors of Brad Stuart not wanting to resign with detroit and who knows what lidstrom is going to do. Datsuk also is out 2 weeks so Det could use the trade.

It does suck that quincy is a wing now though.

I think the problem isn't so much that the avs fans are overvalueing quincy (which they are just a smidge) but that they dont know anything about downie. Let me say this, he plays like Brad MArchand
- Meeqsb

Marchand is a better skater.