Lupul definately does not have more value. He has 50 games of success at his current pace.

I am a huge fan of what he is done here in Toronto, and the chemistry he has with Kessel, but to say he has more value is absurd.

There is however the chance that he COULD have more value soon if he continues to improve.

Tough call for me.
- mfreedman

I guess what I'm looking at is how Nash has never done anything in Columbus. Did he break 80 points yet? How many play off games? I dunno, I really like Lupul and I don't think sending Lupul and Reimer for Nash makes us a better team.

...this game is on gus...

Don Cherry agrees.
- OBGYN Kenobi

So does U_G.

I guess what I'm looking at is how Nash has never done anything in Columbus. Did he break 80 points yet? How many play off games? I dunno, I really like Lupul and I don't think sending Lupul and Reimer for Nash makes us a better team.
- OBGYN Kenobi

@hockeyinsiderrr
#Leafs talking to #CBJ about Nash. Seems CBJ have set the price: Lupul+Reimer or Lupul+1st. BB needs to think about this.Nash needs to waive

True or not, would you do it?

Just as a note, if yes, realize that for Beachemin + Reimer we would have gotten Nash + Gardiner
- mfreedman

Why would Columbus even consider such a trade? Not really worth thinking about imo.

Yeah, Nash is the more valuable player overall. Much more valuable.

I'm guessing that as good as Lupul+Kessel has looked, Nash+Kessel would look better.
- Leeman4Gilmour

That I don't know about. Kessel would have to revert to becoming the play-maker I would think (which he has actually done well at this year), but will they havemore chemistry or equal? Who knows, its a risk... So the question is, is it worth the risk?

NAsh could end up being on a different line than Kessel if it went through, which would mean our top line gets worse, but 2nd line gets better.

I guess what I'm looking at is how Nash has never done anything in Columbus. Did he break 80 points yet? How many play off games? I dunno, I really like Lupul and I don't think sending Lupul and Reimer for Nash makes us a better team.
- OBGYN Kenobi

Ummm...

We're talking about trading Lupul, right?

...this game is on gus...
- Pen15

Right now he's keeping the Leafs in it.

Why would Columbus even consider such a trade? Not really worth thinking about imo.
- daeth

More along the liens of are Leaf fans ok with having Lupul as part of the trade Forget that specific one, but if one was created centring around Lupul?

That I don't know about. Kessel would have to revert to becoming the play-maker I would think (which he has actually done well at this year), but will they havemore chemistry or equal? Who knows, its a risk... So the question is, is it worth the risk?

NAsh could end up being on a different line than Kessel if it went through, which would mean our top line gets worse, but 2nd line gets better.
- mfreedman

Your realize lupul is not even in the same hemispheere in terms of talent when compared to nash...

Even questioning this is insane...

Fabricated rumour....absolutely not true.

Monster has robbed NJ of that insurance goal time after time. If TO ties it, which is totally possible considering NJ's 3rd period issues, he should take 1st star, despite the soft goals.

Can't believe we are going to go another spring with no playoffs.

Right now he's keeping the Leafs in it.
- _Zippy_

Yeah....and if we had a competent goaltender to begin with we'd be up 2-1 right now.

Monster has robbed NJ of that insurance goal time after time. If TO ties it, which is totally possible considering NJ's 3rd period issues, he should take 1st star, despite the soft goals.
- WayneZ

Ummm...

We're talking about trading Lupul, right?
- Leeman4Gilmour

I think Nash makes us a better team, but not for the money he is paid. He takes up way too much capspace.

I guess what I'm looking at is how Nash has never done anything in Columbus. Did he break 80 points yet? How many play off games? I dunno, I really like Lupul and I don't think sending Lupul and Reimer for Nash makes us a better team.
- OBGYN Kenobi

He is a goal scorer. It'sthe 40 goals twice that makes him valueable. Kessel last year wa sa 30 goal scorer and it helped. If Nash brought something similar to Kessel last year, and he also was good defensively, who knows what could happen.

Not promoting only one, just trying to see both sides.

Why would Columbus even consider such a trade? Not really worth thinking about imo.
- daeth

They wouldn't....completely fabricated.

If it's not, we'll be talking about it in a yr like we are about the gardiner/lupul deal.

More along the liens of are Leaf fans ok with having Lupul as part of the trade Forget that specific one, but if one was created centring around Lupul?
- mfreedman

For a legit elite talent?

Yes. Yes. And more yes.

Don't get me wrong; Lupul was a good reclamation project. He provided far more than we thought he would (let's not forget his orginal role here was to be the cap dump that brought Gardiner).

But he's 28 and having a career year playing with one of the best forwards in the NHL. Let's not get crazy and make him into something he's not.

Lupul is not on the same level as Nash, Carter, Parise, the Anaheim "big three", Staal, and every other big name that's ever been rumored to come here.

Your realize lupul is not even in the same hemispheere in terms of talent when compared to nash...

Even questioning this is insane...

Fabricated rumour....absolutely not true.
- Pen15

If Nash didnt have chemistry with our Centres, he would produce similarly to what he did in Columbus. Let's face it, we don't have elite centres. Who knows if he works with Kessel.

ITs a risk regardless of his talent.

Monster has robbed NJ of that insurance goal time after time. If TO ties it, which is totally possible considering NJ's 3rd period issues, he should take 1st star, despite the soft goals.
- WayneZ

The only reason he's fighting to keep us in it is because he blew it earlier.

It would be nice if he were making these saves in a 2-1 Leafs or 2-2 game.

For a legit elite talent?

Yes. Yes. And more yes.

Don't get me wrong; Lupul was a good reclamation project. He provided far more than we thought he would (let's not forget his orginal role here was to be the cap dump that brought Gardiner).

But he's 28 and having a career year playing with one of the best forwards in the NHL. Let's not get crazy and make him into something he's not.

Lupul is not on the same level as Nash, Carter, the Anaheim "big three", Staal, etc.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I dont care about what he was included as. Chara was considered less valueable than Redden at one point. If the talent becomes elite afterwards, that is just as good. I havereally liked Lupul's play this year and I am scared to get rid of him.

Although there is something to be said about buying low and selling high

If Nash didnt have chemistry with our Centres, he would produce similarly to what he did in Columbus. Let's face it, we don't have elite centres. Who knows if he works with Kessel.

ITs a risk regardless of his talent.
- mfreedman

When you get a chance to grab a talent like Nash....especially for what you're proposing...you take it and run...and figure out the rest later (i.e., centremen)

More along the liens of are Leaf fans ok with having Lupul as part of the trade Forget that specific one, but if one was created centring around Lupul?
- mfreedman

No point in trading Lupul unless you can rip a team off with the trade.

The only reason he's fighting to keep us in it is because he blew it earlier.

It would be nice if he were making these saves in a 2-1 Leafs or 2-2 game.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Poni's and Sykora's goal were as much the defense's fault as his. He should have had a couple, but the defense is just as guilty. He has given you guys a chance in third. Stopping 9, 14, and 17 on total or partial breaks.

When you get a chance to grab a talent like Nash....especially for what you're proposing...you take it and run...and figure out the rest later (i.e., centremen)
- Pen15

When you get a chance to grab an elite talent like Nash says it all.. It is such a rare case like you say, how do you think getting the centre is any easier?

Elite or not he has nly gotten 70 points once. If we can't find the elite centre, will he ever become better than a 60 pt player?