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andru2797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Laval, QC
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
I agree....a deal for both Quincy and TJG would be something like this

Pirri + Morin + LaLonde + lower prospect or 4th round pick + #2 round pick.

The Lanche would probably come back and say "give me Olsen and not LaLonde" and would beef up the 4 to a 3 or try to snag another prospect.

Or they would possibly go for
Pirri + Morin + LaLonde + Bickell + a #2 (and really the ONLY ONE there that would truly hurt would be Morin, but you gotta give up something to get something)

I don't know, but it would be costly.

- kwolf68


The problem is with Colorado giving up 2 young roster players, you have to expect they will want at least 1, if not 2 as part of the return.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
His trade value also will probably never be higher. I believe the season he's having in Rockford, relative to his competition, will be his best as a pro (all-star, point-per-game, etc...)
- andru2797


I won't put a cap on his ceiling basically becasue he is so young. But you are correct Pirri's value is high now.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 21 @ 1:16 PM ET
The problem is with Colorado giving up 2 young roster players, you have to expect they will want at least 1, if not 2 as part of the return.
- andru2797


Both RFA's ...interesting as to why they would consider dealing them.
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Feb 21 @ 1:17 PM ET
I won't put a cap on his ceiling basically becasue he is so young. But you are correct Pirri's value is high now.
- Al


Agree, people can knock his size etc, but you can not deny what he has done as a 20 year old playing in the AHL. Finds a way. He naturally gets grief from scouts and hockey community for bypassing CHL for College. In my humble opinion.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Feb 21 @ 1:18 PM ET
JJ&AL< what about "the goose" from the sabres? anyone ask stan about him?
fills every catagory the hawks are looking for ,and like carcillo,can move up or down the line up if need be! we're on the trade for gausted crusade!
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 21 @ 1:19 PM ET
The problem is with Colorado giving up 2 young roster players, you have to expect they will want at least 1, if not 2 as part of the return.
- andru2797


But if we give them TWO players off our current roster, then they don't get Morin.

I don't know if I agree anyway. the Lanche don't have a particularly strong system and are WEAK at wings. They are still a couple years from serious contention, so perhaps adding three prospects (Morin + Pirri +LaLonde) along with Bickell to go on their team now and a #2 (which can be used on adding more to their farm) would be enough to get them interested.

The ONLY possible way I even entertain Nick Leddy is if Colorado dangles Ryan O'Reilly in front of me. Then they get me thinking.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:19 PM ET
Gotta have the horses. Without a legitimate point shooting threat this PP is doomed to a perimeter game with the players in hand right now.
- Return of the Roar

Just because there is no legit shot from the point doesn't mean the guys on the ice should just stand still and play keep away. They could move around a little, they are not bolted down in place. As far as not having the horses, they may not have an ideal PP point man, but they also have not consistently tried all options either. Seabrook and Leddy both have better/more accurate point shots than Keith, but Q keeps sending Keith out there. Coaching. Q is too stubborn, and it's killing this team.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:20 PM ET
Both RFA's ...interesting as to why they would consider dealing them.
- Al


Maybe they both have unreasonable salary demands for next year.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 21 @ 1:21 PM ET
Both RFA's ...interesting as to why they would consider dealing them.
- Al


I am baffled by it myself. But if they are selling, lets see if we can buy.

Like I said, you only move players like that to beef up your farm and to add picks. Really build for the future.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:22 PM ET
JJ&AL< what about "the goose" from the sabres? anyone ask stan about him?
fills every catagory the hawks are looking for ,and like carcillo,can move up or down the line up if need be! we're on the trade for gausted crusade!

- wonthecup10


Gausted would be a nice pick-up. I'd agree with that. However, He's a bottom 6 center. I don't think he can slot into the top 6 and help.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Feb 21 @ 1:23 PM ET
Paul Gaustad perhaps?
- kingcong39

God, i hope so!!!!we haven't had a big center since another sabre adam creighton, who in his first go round with the hawks was quite effective!
come on hawk fans let's start burning bowmans ears with "trade for the goose"! talk !
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 21 @ 1:24 PM ET
Gausted would be a nice pick-up. I'd agree with that. However, He's a bottom 6 center. I don't think he can slot into the top 6 and help.
- EKolb13


Gausted is the perfect L3-C. I don't like that move because I don't like Bolland on the 2nd line (on that I think Q is correct).
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:24 PM ET
But if we give them TWO players off our current roster, then they don't get Morin.

I don't know if I agree anyway. the Lanche don't have a particularly strong system and are WEAK at wings. They are still a couple years from serious contention, so perhaps adding three prospects (Morin + Pirri +LaLonde) along with Bickell to go on their team now and a #2 (which can be used on adding more to their farm) would be enough to get them interested.

The ONLY possible way I even entertain Nick Leddy is if Colorado dangles Ryan O'Reilly in front of me. Then they get me thinking.

- kwolf68


The Colorado players are RFAs, but should at least assume Quincey will behave as if he is a UFA. He may feel he is due a big raise. That said, he is effectively a rental. So, what do you give up for a rental? If I am a GM, it picks, prospects, and bags of pucks only. Unless they will take Monty.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:25 PM ET
Gausted is the perfect L3-C. I don't like that move because I don't like Bolland on the 2nd line (on that I think Q is correct).
- kwolf68


Or Gausted can center the 4th line and move Mayers to the wing.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:25 PM ET
Gausted would be a nice pick-up. I'd agree with that. However, He's a bottom 6 center. I don't think he can slot into the top 6 and help.
- EKolb13


He is a 3rd/4th line center, not a top 6.
Right on with that.
However, he has been effective in the past screening the goalie on the PP.

He has been playing lights out for a while now.
He also was excellent in the playoffs last year against the Flyers.
Probably their best forward in the series.

Mark McNeill and a pick and you have a deal!
savvyone-1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL
Joined: 03.04.2011

Feb 21 @ 1:25 PM ET
Seabrook and Leddy both have better/more accurate point shots than Keith, but Q keeps sending Keith out there. Coaching. Q is too stubborn, and it's killing this team.
- Ogilthorpe2


Noted that in a previous blog comment. That IS your top PP pairing -- both of those guys have solid shots from the point. Both able to get the shot low and on net. Seldom do they have shots bounce right off defenders causing an odd-man break or breakaway.

And both very smart and skilled at the point -- they seem to know when to cycle the puck and when to drive it to the net. Give these guys some PP time together, remove Keith TOTALLY from the PP and you'll fix over 90% of the issues right there.

Does anyone else notice how lost Keith is when on PP, carrying the puck up? Seems so uncertain of himself, whether to move the puck quickly to a forward ahead of him, whether to use that stupid drop pass everyone and their uncle knows about -- or whether to try and carry the puck after taking eons to make the decision (and when this happens, you literally can see the wheels turning and the sands falling through the hourglass).

NO_MORE DUNCAN_KEITH_ON_THE_PP!!!

Q? Got it?
Boisy12
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 05.01.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:27 PM ET
instead of Kane+ for Miller+, how about Kane+ for Quick+?

I like Quick more than Miller. And LA really needs scorers.

- scottak



Can we please stop any potential rumor that has Kane in it. I am not a huge PK fan, but he is not getting traded. He's 23 and an all star. I get the rational behind it, but superstar players almost never get traded for one another when they are this young.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:27 PM ET
Or Gausted can center the 4th line and move Mayers to the wing.
- EKolb13


As well as he has been playing now, you will like him that much better come playoff time.
He will not shy away from contact or the pressure.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:28 PM ET
He is a 3rd/4th line center, not a top 6.
Right on with that.
However, he has been effective in the past screening the goalie on the PP.

He has been playing lights out for a while now.
He also was excellent in the playoffs last year against the Flyers.
Probably their best forward in the series.

Mark McNeill and a pick and you have a deal!

- kingcong39


I can see a prospect and a pick for him, but a certain prospect from the AHL, and not McNeill.

Pirri and a 4th, for example?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:28 PM ET
Gausted is the perfect L3-C. I don't like that move because I don't like Bolland on the 2nd line (on that I think Q is correct).
- kwolf68


He has been given the assignment lately of shutting down the opposing teams best line and he did a very good job of it last game against Malkin and the Pens.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:29 PM ET
I can see a prospect and a pick for him, but a certain prospect from the AHL, and not McNeill. Pirri and a 4th, for example?
- EKolb13


Just McNeill then?

No thanks to Pirri.
Buffalo does not need another undersized forward, and especially a center, when they already have Ennis & Roy.
Boisy12
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 05.01.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:29 PM ET
Noted that in a previous blog comment. That IS your top PP pairing -- both of those guys have solid shots from the point. Both able to get the shot low and on net. Seldom do they have shots bounce right off defenders causing an odd-man break or breakaway.

And both very smart and skilled at the point -- they seem to know when to cycle the puck and when to drive it to the net. Give these guys some PP time together, remove Keith TOTALLY from the PP and you'll fix over 90% of the issues right there.

Does anyone else notice how lost Keith is when on PP, carrying the puck up? Seems so uncertain of himself, whether to move the puck quickly to a forward ahead of him, whether to use that stupid drop pass everyone and their uncle knows about -- or whether to try and carry the puck after taking eons to make the decision (and when this happens, you literally can see the wheels turning and the sands falling through the hourglass).

NO_MORE DUNCAN_KEITH_ON_THE_PP!!!

Q? Got it?

- savvyone-1


+1 - Love Keith but not on the PP. Have Leddy and Seabs fire bombs and get some traffic in front. We need a dirty PP goal not a fancy cross crease open netter.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Feb 21 @ 1:30 PM ET
Mark McNeil
- captainserious


Hahaha, you are not giving him up, but if that was offered, even forgetting the pick....deal!
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:30 PM ET
+1 - Love Keith but not on the PP. Have Leddy and Seabs fire bombs and get some traffic in front. We need a dirty PP goal not a fancy cross crease open netter.
- Boisy12


Not having Keith on the PP also means he puts less minutes in. Another reason to get him off of the PP.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Feb 21 @ 1:32 PM ET
Just McNeill then?

No thanks to Pirri.
Buffalo does not need another undersized forward, and especially a center, when they already have Ennis & Roy.

- kingcong39


I don't think Gausted is worth a 1st for a rental. Nor is he worth a 2nd straight up either. I wouldn't deal anyone Chicago has in the system that is outside of the AHL for a rental.

I'd say an AHL prospect and a mid round pick.
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