Oh, that's a safe bet. Hayes, too. Hell, Shaw, even though he's back in Rockford.
- John Jaeckel

Spin control....make the public fall in love with the prospects so that when they dont' pull of a trade they can say..."they asked for player X" knowing that the public would burn down Bowman's house because player X is the NEXT big THING.

Every organization does it, and you are going to see it happening again here soon.

Starting to look like the reports that the Hawks are looking for help at forward and not defense are true.

JJ, maybe Toews is hurt worse than we know and they are going to have to make a move for a center? Try and figure out the defense internally, go after a top 6 center.
- PhatJoeSki

If you think a first rounder for Quincey is too much, wait til you see the price for a top 6 center.

Bowman and some fans seem to think he can hold on to all his surefire NHL all star prospects AND get legitimate help in this market. PLEASE.

Sorry, been saying it all year: if they're serious about a Cup, they will need to deal. And if they're serious about dealing, it will call for high prospects. Period.

Unless other teams are really that down on the Hawk prospects.

Dunno.

Playing Devil's Advocate... could he have just bluffed the pot up for Quincey to force the Wings to spend a 1st rounder on the guy, while his target might have been somebody else all along?

If he ends up getting one of the other targeted defensemen that you had mentioned earlier, will you still the same way?

Obviously, it would behoove Stan to do something soon. I'll stop apologizing for him if he stands pat at the deadline.
- arobb01

Not sure Stan is that bold, cause he wouldn't run the risk of ending up with a player he didn't want.

Spin control....make the public fall in love with the prospects so that when they dont' pull of a trade they can say..."they asked for player X" knowing that the public would burn down Bowman's house because player X is the NEXT big THING.

Every organization does it, and you are going to see it happening again here soon.
- SteveRain

Bingo. And judging by the responses of some on Twitter and here. . . it works.

Playing Devil's Advocate... could he have just bluffed the pot up for Quincey to force the Wings to spend a 1st rounder on the guy, while his target might have been somebody else all along?

If he ends up getting one of the other targeted defensemen that you had mentioned earlier, will you still the same way?

Obviously, it would behoove Stan to do something soon. I'll stop apologizing for him if he stands pat at the deadline.
- arobb01

No I wont feel the same way. Anytime he wants to make a deal would be great. Waiting.......

First of all, I was banging the fire Q drum long before the 9 game losing streak, and it would take a lot more than a 9 game win streak to change my mind. A lot more.

Secondly, and more to the highlighted points, I have made all of those arguments (and more) repeatedly. Too many times to count, and too often to keep repeating. So now I just encapsulate all of those things arguments into one succinct word. Sorry if it offends your sensibilities.
- Ogilthorpe2

The word in and of itself doesn't offend my sensibilities. Your incessant, inane, and childish drum banging does.

I've made my own share of direct, specific criticisms of Q, and like JJ says, he may have a limited shelf-life, but resorting to calling him an idiot and repeatedly lamenting the same points over and over again doesn't do much to increase the impact of your words.

Is it?
- ilinkhawk

I would have believed that '10-'11 would have been Lidstrom's last season. I think he came back or was talked into coming back because Rafalski suddenly retired.

I think Lidstrom will hang'em up after this post-season.

If you think a first rounder for Quincey is too much, wait til you see the price for a top 6 center.

Bowman and some fans seem to think he can hold on to all his surefire NHL all star prospects AND get legitimate help in this market. PLEASE.

Sorry, been saying it all year: if they're serious about a Cup, they will need to deal. And if they're serious about dealing, it will call for high prospects. Period.

Unless other teams are really that down on the Hawk prospects.

Dunno.
- John Jaeckel

I would assume that a package of Saad, a 2nd and a 4th would have been acceptable from where you sit for Downie and Kubina right? Because I know that would have been a deal worth making and not even need to think twice about.

If Stan thought that was too much then he's in the wrong job.

Please....you need a top 4 D man badly...to have everyone fall into line in roles they are comfortable with. End of story.

The draft this year is supposed to be god awful. What prospects are going to pan out, if any out of that draft?

If you have Sharp,Kane, Hossa, Toews locked up for X number of years, where the hell is Saad, Morin, Hayes all going to fill spots at? They may already be blocked by guys on the current roster, and that doesn't include Bolland, Stalberg, Kruger who are coming into their own...SO out of 12 forward spots, 7 may already be filled for immediate future.

Fact is, Detroit is ALL IN, Nasvhille is ALL IN, Philly is ALL IN.....are the Hawks?
- SteveRain

Everything I've heard is that this is going to be one of the deepest drafts in a long time. Not as many locks outside of Nail, but 1st and 2nd rd picks are in hot demand from what I've read.

I wonder if Stan has been including Frolik in his trade talks. If so, Stan needs to get fired. Nobody wants Froliks salary at this time of the year because he hasn't proven that he's worth it. If a team like Phoenix needs to hit the salary floor in the off season we may be able to move him.

If Stan is so confident about his picks and prospects from the last couple of years, he should be willing to sacrifice a 2012 1st or 2nd round pick to acquire a difference maker for this roster.

It would not be an issue for the rest of the season. Then come summer if you are gonna resign Quincey you give Monty away for nothing.
- yobwoc03

Easier said then done and will possibly be more difficult with the new CBA especially if the cap is going to go down.

I would have believed that '10-'11 would have been Lidstrom's last season. I think he came back or was talked into coming back because Rafalski suddenly retired.

I think Lidstrom will hang'em up after this post-season.
- EKolb13

Out in style with a Cup Ring.

If you think a first rounder for Quincey is too much, wait til you see the price for a top 6 center.

Bowman and some fans seem to think he can hold on to all his surefire NHL all star prospects AND get legitimate help in this market. PLEASE.

Sorry, been saying it all year: if they're serious about a Cup, they will need to deal. And if they're serious about dealing, it will call for high prospects. Period.

Unless other teams are really that down on the Hawk prospects.

Dunno.
- John Jaeckel

I think a 1st is more than fair for Quincey, especially considering what the market has shown so far (still marveling at that haul for Gill). I was just opining that maybe Toews is going to be out for a stretch and Stan is looking at forwards instead. I'm just speculating, not defending Stan/the Hawks or saying they need to keep their prospects. I guess I am just trying to figure out what else they could be thinking. 100 of the same posts bemoaning each guy the Hawks strike out on (if they even swung) just gets a little tedious. Most people on here want moves to be made, I'm just looking at what else is possible. If they make a deal for Allen or any of the other targets you have mentioned, will everyone be happy or will they still be mad about not getting Quincey/Kubina/Gill.

I wonder if Stan has been including Frolik in his trade talks. If so, Stan needs to get fired. Nobody wants Froliks salary at this time of the year because he hasn't proven that he's worth it. If a team like Phoenix needs to hit the salary floor in the off season we may be able to move him.

If Stan is so confident about his picks and prospects from the last couple of years, he should be willing to sacrifice a 2012 1st or 2nd round pick to acquire a difference maker for this roster.
- Dieselhead

Great point, if all of the current prospects are "can't miss" whats the harm in moving 1 or picks to help NOW.

Great point, if all of the current prospects are "can't miss" whats the harm in moving 1 or picks to help NOW.
- yobwoc03

Stan

I would assume that a package of Saad, a 2nd and a 4th would have been acceptable from where you sit for Downie and Kubina right? Because I know that would have been a deal worth making and not even need to think twice about.

If Stan thought that was too much then he's in the wrong job.
- Return of the Roar

If I'm not mistaken, the prospect Philadelphia gave up isn't that much of a prospect at all. In fact, I think they had to take him so Philadelphia could stay under the 50 contract limit.

I would have given up a 2nd, 4th and David Gilbert (or someone of equal talent) to make that deal for Kubina work

If you think a first rounder for Quincey is too much, wait til you see the price for a top 6 center.

Bowman and some fans seem to think he can hold on to all his surefire NHL all star prospects AND get legitimate help in this market. PLEASE.

Sorry, been saying it all year: if they're serious about a Cup, they will need to deal. And if they're serious about dealing, it will call for high prospects. Period.

Unless other teams are really that down on the Hawk prospects.

Dunno.
- John Jaeckel

Like I said before JJ, and still believe it, the Hawks considered this a retool year and were looking toward the future. I hope Bowman does make some deals that can help this team for next season.

I've have made, and still do make plenty of rational arguments to back my points. The problem with a site like this is that people don't always (nor should anyone expect them to) read every post of every thread, or commit to memory the many reasons someone may have formed a certain opinion of a coach or player.

There is only so many times you can type out and repeat all the evidence/facts/opinions that back your arguments. So yeah, every so often it degrades to putting it bluntly. There's not enough hours in the day to recap every time it coes up the reasons I feel Q is inept (better?).

Just because someone was successful in the past, doesn't make them immune to diminishing results or declining effectiveness. 600+ wins is all great and everything, but that's the past. Q needs to be judged on the results he's getting now, not the results he got in STL, DEN, or in 2009-10.
- Ogilthorpe2

OK but hes not an idiot thats just idiotc to say.

I think a 1st is more than fair for Quincey, especially considering what the market has shown so far (still marveling at that haul for Gill). I was just opining that maybe Toews is going to be out for a stretch and Stan is looking at forwards instead. I'm just speculating, not defending Stan/the Hawks or saying they need to keep their prospects. I guess I am just trying to figure out what else they could be thinking. 100 of the same posts bemoaning each guy the Hawks strike out on (if they even swung) just gets a little tedious. Most people on here want moves to be made, I'm just looking at what else is possible. If they make a deal for Allen or any of the other targets you have mentioned, will everyone be happy or will they still be mad about not getting Quincey/Kubina/Gill.
- PhatJoeSki

I would consider Allen to be somewhat of equal talent of what you mentioned, and I would be happy if Bowman can get Allen.

Spin control....make the public fall in love with the prospects so that when they dont' pull of a trade they can say..."they asked for player X" knowing that the public would burn down Bowman's house because player X is the NEXT big THING.

Every organization does it, and you are going to see it happening again here soon.
- SteveRain

In my robot voice "I am under total control of blackhawks marketing, please take me to your leader" BEEP BEEP

I think a 1st is more than fair for Quincey, especially considering what the market has shown so far (still marveling at that haul for Gill). I was just opining that maybe Toews is going to be out for a stretch and Stan is looking at forwards instead. I'm just speculating, not defending Stan/the Hawks or saying they need to keep their prospects. I guess I am just trying to figure out what else they could be thinking. 100 of the same posts bemoaning each guy the Hawks strike out on (if they even swung) just gets a little tedious. Most people on here want moves to be made, I'm just looking at what else is possible. If they make a deal for Allen or any of the other targets you have mentioned, will everyone be happy or will they still be mad about not getting Quincey/Kubina/Gill.
- PhatJoeSki

I will reserve judgement until late Monday afternoon to see what the Hawks and others have done before I praise/criticize Bowman and Company. Not going to get all worked up over Kyle FN Quincey....please.

In my robot voice "I am under total control of blackhawks marketing, please take me to your leader" BEEP BEEP
- mvp0207

DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!!!

Per Chris Kuc

RT @TBLightning: The Lightning have acquired F Brandon Segal from Chicago in exchange for F Matt Fornataro. #Blackhawks

Per Chris Kuc

RT @TBLightning: The Lightning have acquired F Brandon Segal from Chicago in exchange for F Matt Fornataro. #Blackhawks
- droe411

Meh, AHLer for AHLer.

Not going to get all worked up over Kyle FN Quincey....please.
- dan9189

agreed.