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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:43 AM ET
Jvr, bob and carle to LA for JJ , bernier and stoll........sounds even
- huks99


Don't want JJ, and I guarantee LA says no.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:43 AM ET
The goaltending, especially by Bryz, was brutal on Saturday. I think what pissed me off more than anything was on the partial breakaway goal that Bryz didn't even try. He could have come out of his net more, used the stick to poke check the puck away or anything more than what he did which was squat. I've seen pee wee goalies make more of an effort to stop the puck. His apathetic attitude as soon as he is beaten by a soft goal tells me this guy has no mental fortitude to play in a city with very high expectations!
- aantny88


Now, not only is he letting in too many soft goals, he's also reacting the wrong way. That's a double edge sword.

If he shows the normal reaction a goaltender show after being scored on, that is, immediately try and forget about it and get back into the game, he's apathetic.

If he hangs his head, he's not confident.

If he shows an outburst of emotion, then it's translated to look like he's showing his displeasure with the defense.

Guy can't do anything right, can he?
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:45 AM ET
If enough negative things are written about a person and that's all they hear, directly or indirectly, it's going to take it's toll. The media is making this to be all of Bryz's fault. Yes, he needs to play better but as stated numerous times, it's a team defense concept that is not working out at this time. Too many breakdowns are costing this team. Yes, it would be nice to have a goalie to come up with a timely save but it starts with the forwards getting back and the defense getting in the right position. You win as a team and you lose as a team.

I can clealy see why some players don't like to play here, the (frank)ing idiots in the media makes it unbearable. It's sad and I understand the players that are nasty to the media. They have their own agenda and their going to beat the drum to death.

If the Flyers buried a few of their chances when they were on the PP, the pressure would not have been focused on Bryz. If the defense came back and didnt' get caught, the focus would've stayed off of Bryz. What I'm trying to say is that it's a team game but the media doesn't see it that way.

Philly's a tough town.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:45 AM ET
Oh and all these creative trades...enough already...Homer just got rid of 4 draft picks to solidfy the defense.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:46 AM ET
CSN Philly has video of the full quote. I feel for Bryz. I think he he has owned up to the fact that he needs to play better and I think he wants to play better. I'm just afraid that he might not be able to. I don't know if he just doesn't have what it takes to play under pressure.

edit: I don't blame the media for interviewing him. I think you get what you allow with the media. I also don't blame the fans. He plays badly, the fans boo...get over it. I'm sure he got a ton of fan love yesterday at the Flyers Wives Carnival.

- Dkos


He played well in the playoffs before, so the pressure thing seems odd. Throw out last year and his playoff work has been very solid.

I understand the media asking questions, and the fans booing when he's bad. The guy got booed after getting a shutout.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Feb 20 @ 9:46 AM ET
In looking at his body language, especially after that 3rd goal, that is what tells me he is lost right now. I am not sure how he gets it right in his head, but I am pulling for him...we all want him to succeed, because we all benefit then. That being said, I would still go with Bob for awhile...although I can not give you any solid reasoning behind that...it is just a feeling. He is still young and I think he has the tools to develop into a very good and solid goalie.
- matman31


I absolutely want nothing more than for Bryz to right the ship and play well. I appreciate the fact that he admits when things aren't going well and he seems to have the ability to do some self assessment. Bob might be a better choice for now, but guaranteed Snider won't be happy about it if Lavy continues to have Bryz riding the bench after giving him that contract!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 20 @ 9:47 AM ET
Idiots? Really? Sorry saq but as much as I realize that the team defense has been subpar all season, I am also aware of how deflating it is to work your tail off to build a lead only to have it disappear due to poor goaltending. All 3 goals let in by Bryz on Saturday should have been stopped. Hell the goal by Vanek on Thursday was piss poor as well. All people want him to do is make the saves he should be. For what he gets paid should he be playing at Lundqvist's level? Most would argue he should. I don't even care if he doesn't play out of his mind but at least make a routine save and make some effort on the play!
- aantny88

Before I begin, I'm not arguing Bryz has played to expectations nor refuting he's disappointed, especially against the Penguins.

Anyway, which is it? Is it "all we want him to do is make the saves he should" or is it "he even has to make that one save he didn't against Buffalo"? Because this post can't seem to decide what it's saying. If you're only looking for him to "make the saves he should", you shouldn't be nitpicking out saves he "should have made" in what seemed like a pretty good win for the guy.

Again, I'm not saying Bryz doesn't deserve scrutiny. But the bipolar outlook on his play, along with things like "apathetic attitude", don't jive with this Vulcan's logic.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:47 AM ET
Now, not only is he letting in too many soft goals, he's also reacting the wrong way. That's a double edge sword.

If he shows the normal reaction a goaltender show after being scored on, that is, immediately try and forget about it and get back into the game, he's apathetic.

If he hangs his head, he's not confident.

If he shows an outburst of emotion, then it's translated to look like he's showing his displeasure with the defense.

Guy can't do anything right, can he?

- 77rams


Nope. And that's my point. He gets poop on no matter what he does. When he wins, the team played well in front of him. Losses? Well, that's all him.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 20 @ 9:48 AM ET
You do understand that Bryzgalov has a NMC and isn't likely to waive it to go to Columbus, right?
- Jsaquella


Stick him in Adirondack for a few games and Columbus might begin to look like paradise
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:49 AM ET
I absolutely want nothing more than for Bryz to right the ship and play well. I appreciate the fact that he admits when things aren't going well and he seems to have the ability to do some self assessment. Bob might be a better choice for now, but guaranteed Snider won't be happy about it if Lavy continues to have Bryz riding the bench after giving him that contract!
- aantny88


Bob has been markedly worse than Bryzgalov since the All Star game. In fact, going solely off year long stats, Bryzgalov is better.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 20 @ 9:50 AM ET
Stick him in Adirondack for a few games and Columbus might begin to look like paradise
- moylander

No movement clause, not no trade clause.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:50 AM ET
Stick him in Adirondack for a few games and Columbus might begin to look like paradise
- moylander


NMC means "no movement clause" meaning they can't send him anywhere unless he agrees to go. That includes Adirondack
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 20 @ 9:50 AM ET
I think a little road trip is what they need right now. Get out of Philly and start getting focused. they are better on the road anyway so hopefully they can string some wins together and gain some momentum.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 20 @ 9:51 AM ET
No movement clause, not no trade clause.
- BulliesPhan87

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:53 AM ET
I think a little road trip is what they need right now. Get out of Philly and start getting focused. they are better on the road anyway so hopefully they can string some wins together and gain some momentum.
- funmaster18


Whatever works. They need to get everyone going now. The road ahead is full of opportunities to make a statement.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 20 @ 9:53 AM ET

- moylander


Looks like somebody's got a case of the Mondays
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:53 AM ET
Don't want JJ, and I guarantee LA says no.
- bradleyc4

if they don't get Nash, desperate dean might surprise you. either way, I want another goalie alternative in here or the season will likely go down in flames.

matman31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: In Cognito
Joined: 12.14.2005

Feb 20 @ 9:54 AM ET
I also wonder if Bryz is just one of those goalies that fairs better on a team that plays a trapping, defense first oriented system. That is certainly not what this teams philosophy is.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:55 AM ET
I think a little road trip is what they need right now. Get out of Philly and start getting focused. they are better on the road anyway so hopefully they can string some wins together and gain some momentum.
- funmaster18


A road trip might be what I need, too. If I'm gonna be reading this stuff all week, I'll need to stock the bar.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:55 AM ET
I'm ready.


- Flyskippy


aren't we all.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Feb 20 @ 9:55 AM ET
People who rely on scapegoats and brutally boo a guy, no matter what he does, are idiots.

Guy gets a shutout, loses in the shootout and gets booed. The people who booed him are idiots. Philly fans who take pride in booing a guy because he hasn't yet lived up to their expectations are idiots. People who rely on WIP and the Flyers beat writers to form their opinions are idiots.

Here's my question, does booing help? No. It further sends the player a message that no matter what he does, he's not going to be appreciated. I've ripped the national media for years about their attacks on Philadelphia fans. But they were not all wrong.

I'm not saying Bryzgalov has played well. In fact very few people would say they have been happy with his play. Guess what, he's the first one to tell you he has to be better. It's not as if he's made excuses all year. The guy gets blamed for every goal like it's a slow roller through his 5 hole, and it's ridiculous.

- Jsaquella



Montreal fans booed Price.

Simple fact of the matter is the guy gets booed because he isn't living up to expectations.

People pay money to go to the games. If they choose to boo, all the power to them.

I am not one of them who is booing Bryz, but I will complain about the lack of basic stops.

Bryz needs to be better regardless of how mean the fans and media are to little ol' Bryz.

To blame the media and or fans for why this guy can't stop a puck is cute.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 20 @ 9:55 AM ET
I also wonder if Bryz is just one of those goalies that fairs better on a team that plays a trapping, defense first oriented system. That is certainly not what this teams philosophy is.
- matman31


Anaheim wasn't a trapping, defense first system, and he played well there.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:55 AM ET

Looks like somebody's got a case of the Mondays

- BulliesPhan87


this will probably be the worst image i see all day.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 20 @ 9:56 AM ET
Maybe the Flyers should have done their research too.

edit:

I know Boosh wasn't the best goalie, but I sure miss his attitude.

- Dkos

This is such bull. What research didn't they do?

Do you miss Boosh's soft goals? He wasn't Patrick Seravalling Roy.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 20 @ 9:56 AM ET
Anaheim wasn't a trapping, defense first system, and he played well there.
- Jsaquella


and he can play well here. i'm convinced it's a mental thing with him right now. he didn't forget how to play when he pulled on that flyers jersey.
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