If I want to read a well written blog with facts and a non bias point of view You and Barry are my last ones I go to.
- keatondixon

Sure, we can talk hockey if you want. How's the goaltending in Philly working out?

Why in gods name would you want a forward who thinks its Halloween everyday?
- mochoson

? Please explain

Well I'd say he's a safe pick, but he's still unproven compared to guys of his calibre already in the NHL. It's likely he becomes a top defenseman, but if the Oilers are looking to at least be competing for playoffs next year, its more probable they can get there with someone who's young and good now than banking on Murray to have an impact right away.
- Jack-artist

Not necessarily true. Again, depends on who they get.

But do you think the Canes thought Jeff Skinner was gonna be THAT good THAT soon? They didn't even think he was gonna make the team when they picked him. Look at him now.

I dont think your gonna get a dman THAT good with that pick. Whats the point of trading a dman of that caliber already on your team and NHL ready just to pick a guy like Murray?

Its just highly unlikely.

Right, and they need quality wingers not second rate top 6 players.
- whosyodaddy

Actually, from my point of view, they need offense, regardless of what position people play.

Gagner is most definitely a second line center.

Saying that he's never been a top six center and then using the word "possible" to describe Bernier is hilariously contradictory.
- mochoson

On the Flames.....

Richards moves to the wing like he has done many times in his career. Then they have 2 guys on a line who can take faceoffs.
- SuperM

Carter or Nash are better options than Edmonton's Gagner and Hemsky

Carter takes faceoffs and plays wing

EDM is not trading with LA for Johnson

Sure, we can talk hockey if you want. How's the goaltending in Philly working out?
- Maxbone

LOL. Nice nut punch

The Kings lost 10 times by 1-0 score. Not Quick.
- poisondhearts37

Yes, that's much better. Changes everything.

Gagner is most definitely a second line center.

Saying that he's never been a top six center and then using the word "possible" to describe Bernier is hilariously contradictory.
- mochoson

How is that Contradictory, he hasn't been given a chance to prove himself at the NHL level, he is projected to be a solid number 1 goalie with huge potential. Gagner has played 5 seasons without hitting the 50 point plateau. Sorry to say it but I expect more from a second line center

Sure, we can talk hockey if you want. How's the goaltending in Philly working out?
- Maxbone

Having a rough year!! Thank god they didn't do something stupid like a decade long contract

If Hall wins at least one then Giroux wins at least 3.
- keatondixon

I'd be okay with that. Giroux is amazing.

Why would you want to supplant one of the better 2-way C in the league with a guy who has scored 25% of his points in one week?
- whosyodaddy

What 2 way center are you talking about?

Sure, we can talk hockey if you want. How's the goaltending in Philly working out?
- Maxbone

It's a mess but still near the top in the conference so who gives a (frank).

Actually, from my point of view, they need offense, regardless of what position people play.
- Maxbone

You know there are much better deals out there involving those two LA pieces than the one you have suggested. I mean Grossman just got 2 picks, but you think JJ will go for Gagner?

What 2 way center are you talking about?
- mochoson

Richards is a very good 2 way center.

Carter or Nash are better options than Edmonton's Gagner and Hemsky

Carter takes faceoffs and plays wing

EDM is not trading with LA for Johnson
- USA_Parise9

But here's the problem.

Carter? The Jackets will want at least Bernier + Voynov.

Nash? Bernier, Voynov, Clifford and a 1st round pick. At least.

It's a mess but still near the top in the conference so who gives a (frank).
- keatondixon

Goal scoring will do that for you. Look what happened to Chi with theyre terrible D and Goaltending. Started to fall a little and lost like 10 straight.

You know there are much better deals out there involving those two LA pieces than the one you have suggested. I mean Grossman just got 2 picks, but you think JJ will go for Gagner?
- whosyodaddy

No. Overpayment on the Oilers part.

Pietangelo > Fowler > Murray is how I'd rank them now.

I don't see St. Louis giving up Pietrangelo anytime soon though.
- Jack-artist

Saying Fowler > Murray is like saying Gagner > Yakupov.

And yeah, I agree... St. Louis won't give him up... Kids a beast.

Sure, we can talk hockey if you want. How's the goaltending in Philly working out?
- Maxbone

Hey easy on the flyers goaltending.....although it really has been awful

How is that Contradictory, he hasn't been given a chance to prove himself at the NHL level, he is projected to be a solid number 1 goalie with huge potential. Gagner has played 5 seasons without hitting the 50 point plateau. Sorry to say it but I expect more from a second line center
- Mystery

No, you don't expect more from a second line center. That's second line offensive numbers. 40-60 points. There are first liners who flirt around 60 points each year. Gagner came into the league at a very young age and has consistantly produced offense. Period. He's still ridiculously young and can only get better.

If you actually WATCHED the Oilers and compared Gagner from when he was drafted till now, you'd see he IS better.

Its contradictory because your saying Gagner isn't living up to his potential as a scoring center and then talking about the potential of Bernier. Potential is only worth so much. He's been average in the NHL thus far. Has shown no indication he's ready to be a 50+ game starter.

Sure, we can talk hockey if you want. How's the goaltending in Philly working out?
- Maxbone

You get pretty emotional when people don't agree with you dude

Richards is a very good 2 way center.
- whosyodaddy

Mike Richards? Im a Philly fan. I clearly know that.

Where did Mike Richards come from in the convo?

But here's the problem.

Carter? The Jackets will want at least Bernier + Voynov.

Nash? Bernier, Voynov, Clifford and a 1st round pick. At least.
- Maxbone

Bernier + Voynov for Carter

Is better than....

Bernier + Johnson for Hemsky and Gagner

No. Overpayment on the Oilers part.
- Maxbone

I think what amazes me most about the Oilers is with 3 future league MVP's and great players like Gagner and Hemsky kicking around (not to mention the other guys) you still can't climb out of the division cellar.