Unproven. Farther away from being an imPact player.
- Jack-artist

You'd take Fowler over Murray?

Richards has and can play the wing.
- Maxbone

But he's more valuable at center, especially once the playoffs begin and you want someone who can shut down and produce. The Kings don't need Gagner, and Hemsky is hardly going to be the answer to their offensive woes. Considering they can unload a pick/prospect, Bernier and JJ for Nash it seems kind of foolish to use those assets to acquire Gagner and soon to be UFA Hemsky.

Really? Then what does "Speaking about being biased about your team. Does Schenn like life better in the press box, or in the trainer's room while the Leafs are playing?" mean?
- Urethra Franklin

It means he's not in the lineup because Leafs coaches would rather play other guys.

Galchenyuk is not coming straight to the NHL. He just missed the entire OHL season with an injury, so he's a year behind. He'll still go top 6 in the draft, but he won't go straight to the NHL.
- isles10289

And we know this because...

So Gagner should play behind Nuge and your draft pick, but ahead of Kopitar or Richards?

Aside from that being a bad deal for the Kings to begin with, Gagner doesn't crack LA's top 2 lines either.
- whosyodaddy

Richards moves to the wing like he has done many times in his career. Then they have 2 guys on a line who can take faceoffs.

But he's more valuable at center, especially once the playoffs begin and you want someone who can shut down and produce. The Kings don't need Gagner, and Hemsky is hardly going to be the answer to their offensive woes. Considering they can unload a pick/prospect, Bernier and JJ for Nash it seems kind of foolish to use those assets to acquire Gagner and soon to be UFA Hemsky.
- whosyodaddy

The Kings have almost no offense right now, so I can't see how adding Gagner and Hemsky, and bringing up Voynov to fill Johnson's shoes is going to hurt the offense.

Why do you think Hemsky will find his touch in Los Angeles?
- fsanford

Because he's never really lost it. Players that dont deal with injuries get in funks. Good players. Its apart of pro-sports.

A guy like Hemsky who's proven he can produce who's battled as many injuries as he had the past few seasons shouldn't be expected to be "dynamite". If I am constantly on and off the ice, I know my games gonna be off. A lot.

Couple that with being on an absolutley terrible team and constant trade rumours, and you wonder why the guy looks like he's been half assing it lately.

A year ago Hemsky was the key to the Oilers and "never had anyone to play with". Everyone was "tired of seeing no one finishing gorgeous chances he set up".

Now you all cant wait to get rid of the guy. Its ridiculous.

He's a world class talent who is NOT going to be given away, and I dont care if he's a UFA. He doesn't HAVE to be traded. He can be resigned. He's not gonna be sent packing for the sake of being sent packing.

Jesus Christ.

Ummm, no, I implied he is the 5/6 defenseman in TO when he plays. If you need glasses, I can mail you some.
- Maxbone

I got no insurance until obama care kicks in.. You could mail me a pair.

Do you know what's completely awesome about this discussion?

I posted the trade idea on Twitter, and all the Oilers fans want no part of the deal because it's so one-sided, in their opinion, in favor of the Kings.

On here, all the posts are saying how the Kings would be getting screwed.

Perception is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
- Maxbone

It is a good deal for both teams, though I think the Oilers get the better end. LA would be improving their chances at making a cup run and Edmonton would be getting better for the long run. Not sure why Oilers fans would not want any part with it.

It means he's not in the lineup because Leafs coaches would rather play other guys.
- Maxbone

Well seeing as, Franson, Gardiner and Komisarek also have been healthy scratches this year, for longer periods of Time then Schenn, maybe it speaks more to the depth of the Leafs D than anything else. Let me guess though you also think that Gardiner is worth Gagner too.

The Kings have almost no offense right now, so I can't see how adding Gagner and Hemsky, and bringing up Voynov to fill Johnson's shoes is going to hurt the offense.
- Maxbone

It's going to hurt their trade chips, which can be better used.

It is a good deal for both teams, though I think the Oilers get the better end. LA would be improving their chances at making a cup run and Edmonton would be getting better for the long run. Not sure why Oilers fans would not want any part with it.
- zach parise9

Johnson has a reputation for being a jerk off the ice, and he's a one-dimensional defenseman on the ice.

You think this is bad? Go to a teams message board or Facebook page.
- Jack-artist

Oh, I use to. I refuse now. It's not even worth the effort.

Well seeing as, Franson, Gardiner and Komisarek also have been healthy scratches this year, for longer periods of Time then Schenn, maybe it speaks more to the depth of the Leafs D than anything else. Let me guess though you also think that Gardiner is worth Gagner too.
- Mystery

No. Gardiner...love that kid.

Gagner for Schenn? Seriously. I'd shoot myself in the face if Tambo does that.

Richards moves to the wing like he has done many times in his career. Then they have 2 guys on a line who can take faceoffs.
- SuperM

Take a look at the top teams in the West, and what they have at center. I'd have no confidence in any kind of matchup involving Gagner. As Richard mentioned, his value on the wing is not very high.

It means he's not in the lineup because Leafs coaches would rather play other guys.
- Maxbone

Um, isn't that a healthy scratch?

You just said that you didn't imply he was a healthy scratch and that I couldn't read and now you're saying that he is.

Thanks for the glasses offer, but it seems that you'd be better suited with them.

No. Gardiner...love that kid.
- Maxbone

So when he was in the press box for 7 games in a row, do you think that was because Wilson thought he was a bad player or a movable commodity

Every single kid in the draft is unproven.
- mochoson

I never said we have to trade it. Just worth considering sending it away for a defenseman with a comparable ceiling (Fowler, Pietrangelo) to this draft's D-crop, who is already contributing at the pro level, and playing a lot of minutes.

Johnson has a reputation for being a jerk off the ice, and he's a one-dimensional defenseman on the ice.
- Maxbone

He'll fit in nicely with Hall.

Um, isn't that a healthy scratch?

You just said that you didn't imply he was a healthy scratch and that I couldn't read and now you're saying that he is.

Thanks for the glasses offer, but it seems that you'd be better suited with them.
- Urethra Franklin

Wow.

Keep on trucking, guy. Don't spill your coffee.

You'd take Fowler over Murray?
- laughs2907

I might. Is that outrageous?

So when he was in the press box for 7 games in a row, do you think that was because Wilson thought he was a bad player or a movable commodity
- Mystery

No, it was because he's a kid, and teams take their time bringing kids in. As the Leafs are learning with Schenn, rushing defensemen into the league can really hurt their development.

To the LA Kings - Sam Gagner, Ales Hemsky and a 3rd round pick

To the Edmonton Oilers - Jack Johnson and Jonathan Bernier


- Maxbone

Johnson has a reputation for being a jerk off the ice, and he's a one-dimensional defenseman on the ice.
- Maxbone

That does nothing to his trade value. There is no proof of it. Can't use poop like that to lower trade value. He is still a top 4 D man. He is more valuable than Hemsky. Bernier is around the same value as Gagner, probably more.