I'd rather keep Grabbo, make a playoff push and then let him walk in the summer than deal him away for a 2nd.
- Urethra Franklin

It's a tough decision for Burke. I almost think Burke would jump for prospect and 1st round for Grabovski deal. Burke also at the same time may have something else in his sleeve to replace Grabovski. If that is market value for Grabovski, Hemsky should get the same return for Oilers. TOR may make the playoffs, Oilers won't.

Hemsky, Gagner, and 3rd round pick probably won't get Johnson and Bernier. LA rather think big with those two assets. Johnson, Bernier, Penner, and 1st round to CBJ for Nash. CBJ turn around and trade Penner for whatever.

Hemsky, Gagner to WSH for Michal Neuvirth, Mike Green and 1st round (COL or WSH)?

You only had one more pick from the Carter deal.
- whosyodaddy

We also had 2 picks from the Richards deal.

Real nice production from Simmonds there...
- robin_steele264

He has been absolutely unreal this year. You have no clue.

Do you know what's completely awesome about this discussion?

I posted the trade idea on Twitter, and all the Oilers fans want no part of the deal because it's so one-sided, in their opinion, in favor of the Kings.

On here, all the posts are saying how the Kings would be getting screwed.

Perception is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
- Maxbone

I certainly wouldn't make that deal.

All that proves is how stupid EDM fans are
- Meeqsb

I'm curious if you ever manage to add value to a discussion. You seem incapable of demonstrating even basic hockey knowledge and immediately insult fan bases. It's pretty pathetic.

Thats different. 1st overall is an entirely different animal.

I'd trade Gagner to CLB for 1st overall in a heart beat.
- mochoson

So what you really meant to say earlier is that in the proper situation you'll exchange a proven player for a prospect/pick.

You're right. It isn't fair for the Oilers. No need to throw in a 3rd round pick.
- Maxbone

Richard stop pulling a matt Barry. From an asset point of view I think its close, favors the oilers a bit but close. However, the Kings need pure goal scorers. I know play makers will help their offense but not to the degree in which the will be compensated for what they have given up. They Need Carter or Nash. Hemsky and Gagner are more playmaker type. If I'm the Oilers I deal down in the draft(I presume they pick in the top 3) try to move from say 2 to wash for Alzner and their pick? Or Anh for Sbisca(sp) and their pick. I say Hemsky for Blum is fair. For Ellis you clearly have to add to Hemsky. Hemsky and MPS for Ellis and a 3rd maybe?

Real nice production from Simmonds there...
- robin_steele264

We also had 2 picks from the Richards deal.
- mochoson

Well, one anyways.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...-nhl-flyers-richards.html

Thats different. 1st overall is an entirely different animal.

I'd trade Gagner to CLB for 1st overall in a heart beat.
- mochoson

I would have traded Gagner for Larsson also.

So what you really meant to say earlier is that in the proper situation you'll exchange a proven player for a prospect/pick.
- whosyodaddy

No. I already explained the difference.

Well, one anyways.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...-nhl-flyers-richards.html
- whosyodaddy

My mistake. I originally included Versteeg in what I said. That was the other pick I was thinking about.

- laughs2907

Why is that funny?

He has been absolutely unreal this year. You have no clue.
- mochoson

7.4 PPG

Playing 82 games, he'd get 606.8 Points. He's a definitely a keeper.

Clouts.

Your fascination for Kings defensemen continues..

First it was Voynov, now it's Jack Johnson for a primmadonna, fragile, UFA winger, and a guy who outside of one glorious night struggles to even avoid being a healthy scratch on some nights.

Why don't you cut to the chase and start a Doughty of Eberle rumor.

Why is that funny?
- mochoson

37 points in 5 games...

No. He's a very good second-line centre and plays his role effectively. We'd miss his production.
- Urethra Franklin

Your team should be sellers not hanging on year ater year to borderline players. Trade and get some assets instead of the 15 -20 th over all draft picks .

*deep sigh* Yes. We. Will. Darryl Katz, billionaire drug dealer, lives in Edmonton, loves the team, willing to spend to the cap every year, about to spend hundreds of millions on an arena, if not for the cap would likely try to "buy" a Cup or three... why do people keep saying Edmonton won't be able to resign our picks? If we were still in the 90s, you'd be absolutely right. Things have sort of changed since then.
that said, I do like your trade idea, except I don't want to deal the first rounder unless it's for a stupid overpayment. Would LA need a backup goaltender in return? I'm not sure who would replace Bernier as Quick's backup in LA's depth chart? maybe something like, uh...
Johnson + Bernier
Gagner + MPS + a well regarded but not stellar goaltending prospect (any of our keepers but Dubnyk in other words)
I'm not sure if I'd do this one myself. I kept wanting to repackage Hemsky but figured you just don't want him at the price I'm selling at.


The Problem isn't Katz's $.....it's the salary cap?.....Hall, Eberle and RNH all seem to be "franchise type" players....they are going to seek huge $.....Nice problem to have until their rookie deals start to run out.
As far as Hemsky to TO, I don't think Hemsky is the kind of player Burke wants. I think Brian thinks Hemsky is too small and fragile to be counted on in a bash and grind Cup run. I like Hemsky and value him highly, but it's possible Burke is right.
- thefullnelson

More thoughts on previous posts - Bernier's trade value! Tough to nail down. There is high demand for starting goaltenders and he should become one. On the other hand, he hasn't had the opportunity to deliver which lowers his value - essentially, a team is trading for the player Bernier COULD become. Then again, he's an RFA and young which is nice - he has lots of time to become that player.
Right now the highest value young goaltenders I see in the league are Price (asking price:go@#$%yourself), then Schneider (asking price:the Moon on a string, the stars in a necklace, your first rounder plus... hey, your sister's hot. We'll take her too! AND we want your boots, your clothes, and your motorcycle!) then a significant drop down to half a dozen contenders, one of whom is named Bernier. What value would he hold, do you think, in a straight-up trade?
Is Bernier > Dubnyk, and if so, by how much? I haven't seen a game Bernier's started in yet so I really don't know. Doobie's shat the odd bed here and there but he still looks like a future starter more often than not and he steals games sometimes. Certainly I die a little inside when I turn the game on and see Khabibulin in net - not only for the colon-clenching certainty of defeat but also because I want to watch Dubnyk, who is hopefully the future in net, try to become the keeper he needs to be rather than watch Bulin try to be the keeper he was. It's like watching Bill Shatner do standup...

It's a tough decision for Burke. I almost think Burke would jump for prospect and 1st round for Grabovski deal. Burke also at the same time may have something else in his sleeve to replace Grabovski. If that is market value for Grabovski, Hemsky should get the same return for Oilers. TOR may make the playoffs, Oilers won't.

Hemsky, Gagner, and 3rd round pick probably won't get Johnson and Bernier. LA rather think big with those two assets. Johnson, Bernier, Penner, and 1st round to CBJ for Nash. CBJ turn around and trade Penner for whatever.

Hemsky, Gagner to WSH for Michal Neuvirth, Mike Green and 1st round (COL or WSH)?
- deks1

Have you seen their last 4 games?

More thoughts on previous posts - Bernier's trade value! Tough to nail down. There is high demand for starting goaltenders and he should become one. On the other hand, he hasn't had the opportunity to deliver which lowers his value - essentially, a team is trading for the player Bernier COULD become. Then again, he's an RFA and young which is nice - he has lots of time to become that player.
Right now the highest value young goaltenders I see in the league are Price (asking price:go@#$%yourself), then Schneider (asking price:the Moon on a string, the stars in a necklace, your first rounder plus... hey, your sister's hot. We'll take her too! AND we want your boots, your clothes, and your motorcycle!) then a significant drop down to half a dozen contenders, one of whom is named Bernier. What value would he hold, do you think, in a straight-up trade?
Is Bernier > Dubnyk, and if so, by how much? I haven't seen a game Bernier's started in yet so I really don't know. Doobie's shat the odd bed here and there but he still looks like a future starter more often than not and he steals games sometimes. Certainly I die a little inside when I turn the game on and see Khabibulin in net - not only for the colon-clenching certainty of defeat but also because I want to watch Dubnyk, who is hopefully the future in net, try to become the keeper he needs to be rather than watch Bulin try to be the keeper he was. It's like watching Bill Shatner do standup...
- thefullnelson

while you rambled on there for a bit, this is a good post

More thoughts on previous posts - Bernier's trade value! Tough to nail down. There is high demand for starting goaltenders and he should become one. On the other hand, he hasn't had the opportunity to deliver which lowers his value - essentially, a team is trading for the player Bernier COULD become. Then again, he's an RFA and young which is nice - he has lots of time to become that player.
Right now the highest value young goaltenders I see in the league are Price (asking price:go@#$%yourself), then Schneider (asking price:the Moon on a string, the stars in a necklace, your first rounder plus... hey, your sister's hot. We'll take her too! AND we want your boots, your clothes, and your motorcycle!) then a significant drop down to half a dozen contenders, one of whom is named Bernier. What value would he hold, do you think, in a straight-up trade?
Is Bernier > Dubnyk, and if so, by how much? I haven't seen a game Bernier's started in yet so I really don't know. Doobie's shat the odd bed here and there but he still looks like a future starter more often than not and he steals games sometimes. Certainly I die a little inside when I turn the game on and see Khabibulin in net - not only for the colon-clenching certainty of defeat but also because I want to watch Dubnyk, who is hopefully the future in net, try to become the keeper he needs to be rather than watch Bulin try to be the keeper he was. It's like watching Bill Shatner do standup...
- thefullnelson

You forgot Rask, but he'll probably just take Timmy Tea Party's spot next season.

Have you seen their last 4 games?
- VANTEL

Yeah VAN put a good nail in their playoff hopes.

To Mon Luongo, 1st overall, MPS
To EDM Price, Mon 1st rounder, Van 1st rounder,
To Van Whitney, Patchortty(sp)
just a wild stab, what do you guys think

To Mon Luongo, 1st overall, MPS
To EDM Price, Mon 1st rounder, Van 1st rounder,
To Van Whitney, Patchortty(sp)
just a wild stab, what do you guys think
- Kaptainkesler

Van would need a goalie