I'm not saying they were bad trades, just Moch was saying he would never trade an established player for prospects. Aside from signing Bryz with the money, it seems to have worked out fine with the Flyers.
- whosyodaddy

The only actual prospect in that deal was Schenn. The rest were established NHL players and picks.

Those deals are absolutely awful examples. Those are blockbuster deals with many pieces.

I ment like a player for pick deal. For example, why would Buffalo trade Tyler Myers for the 3rd overall, when they have no idea if that player (in this draft, probably another dman) will ever be as good as Myers?

I never said nothing, I said unknown. Odd that you would add Grossman and Kubina to that list as you just picked them up this week, and likely have more to do with Pronger's LTIR status than anything else.
- whosyodaddy

I added them because the picks we used from the Richards and Carter deals were used to acquire those players.

Understandable.

I know you knew what you ment to say, but for the record, 2-way deal has nothing to do with waiver eligibility.
- mochoson

yes it does..There are some 2way deals with age of players and games played that make them waiver eligible. Look it up. I wouldnt mind waiving drewiski. But Martinez is worth something.

Why would the Leafs trade Gunnarsson for a UFA?
- Urethra Franklin

Perhaps sign him for a couple of years....but the Leafs are on the bubble...I hope they do make it. Yes he's a UFA....but Burke better do something...

Why would the Leafs trade Gunnarsson for a UFA?
- Urethra Franklin

Perhaps sign him for a couple of years....but the Leafs are on the bubble...I hope they do make it. Yes he's a UFA....but Burke better do something...

yes it does..There are some 2way deals with age of players and games played that make them waiver eligible. Look it up. I wouldnt mind waiving drewiski. But Martinez is worth something.
- poisondhearts37

I know, thats what I was saying. 2 way has nothing to do with waiver eligibility, because guys on 2 way deals can be waiver eligible. Its completely salary related.

Perhaps sign him for a couple of years....but the Leafs are on the bubble...I hope they do make it. Yes he's a UFA....but Burke better do something...
- landros 2

We need to re-sign Grabovski, so we simply can't afford Hemsky right now.

Plus, he's not the type of player we need right now. The Leafs desperately need to shore up the bottom-six. It's simply terrible right now.

We need a Travis Moen, Paul Gaustad-type player. Maybe more than one.

The only actual prospect in that deal was Schenn. The rest were established NHL players and picks.

Those deals are absolutely awful examples. Those are blockbuster deals with many pieces.

I ment like a player for pick deal. For example, why would Buffalo trade Tyler Myers for the 3rd overall, when they have no idea if that player (in this draft, probably another dman) will ever be as good as Myers?
- mochoson

Cuz these aren't prospects at all. Whatever, i guess you can spin it whatever way you want.

The point is, you traded 2 established all stars for two players and some prospects and picks and are very happy with the deal.

Someone (indirectly) compared Hemsky and Penner. Hey LA fans, remember what us Oilers fans were saying about Penner? Something like "trade that slow lazy fat cupcake for whatever the hell you can get even if it's bus fare because he ate ALL OUR PIZZA... AGAIN!" Remember our reaction to the trade? "Holy @#$^! Tambi got Tuebert and a 1st for @#%#ing Penner! The man's a genius! Imagine what he could get for Hemsky!" The Oilers fans were always vocal and honest about Penner's value. We are equally honest and vocal about Hemsky. We understand the pros and cons and trust me - we think Hemsky is ~2x as valuable as Penner (what say you other Oil fans?).
We reluctantly acknowledge that no one will give us (Penner Deal) x 2 for him but we remain adamant in our belief that Hemsky has very underrated upside and his only downside is injuries (which, granted, is vital in the playoffs, but he was healthy all through the Cup run... in 2006. Yeah, I know).
I would argue to my fellow Oilers fans that we are still influenced by the Penner trade and we expect comparable value. And you never know, we just might get it. It's Silly Season at the GM KlubHowse! Up is down! Right is wrong! Things are intentionally misspelled! Monkeys are smoking! Brian Burke is flinging poo! Again!
But I would remind the fans of everyone else - we know hockey in Edmonton. (*strikes self-important pose, starts orating with eyes closed*) Granted we produce our share of blog trolls and jerkoffs, if 70% of Oilers fans agree on something... give it serious thought before dismissing it. I'm pretty sure like 99.7% of Oilers fans agree that Penner < Hemsky. However, it does not follow that Penner Deal < Hemsky Deal (although I sure hope it does!)

I didn't know Lombardi's contract status (*looks embarassed*). In that case, maybe the smart move for him is do nothing and hope that an off-season spent golfing while all the other good teams get to try to win the Cup will put more desire into the squad and the new coaches can (hopefully) give them a better system to play? I've been watching LA's rebuild with interest and I'll be disappointed if they miss the playoffs because I want to see these players challenge for a Cup. The only really bad deal Lombardi's done that I'm aware of was Penner, and I think he may have let himself get pressured into making that one. the terrible return LA got for Smyth wasn't Dean's fault at all - the one genuine smudge on Smyth's career IMO is the situation he left the LA Kings in with his trade demand (*backs away from sacred cow with hands in air while explaining really fast that I love Smytty too folks but the truth's the truth, turns and runs*)
- thefullnelson

Actually I think most people would figure Lombardi would get the axe and figure he might need to make a desperate move. And its still possible, Kings (AEG) just hit the season ticket holders with some huge increases next year. If Kings miss the playoff's they may see some cancellations, even if they make it you might see some cancellations



I think fans can deal with 4-3 losses a lot better than 1-0 losses, at least you feel like you have been entertained.

Last night and Thursday was like watching paint dry...

If Gagner and Hemsky can land Jack Johnson and Jon Bernier, then I wonder what Mikhail Grabovski and Clarke MacArthur are worth.
- Urethra Franklin

TSN mentioned Burke has a deal on the table for Grabovski...prospect and 2nd round. He likes to wait and see can he sweeten it to be a 1st rounder plus prospect.

TSN mentioned Burke has a deal on the table for Grabovski...prospect and 2nd round. He likes to wait and see can he sweeten it to be a 1st rounder plus prospect.
- deks1

I'd rather keep Grabbo, make a playoff push and then let him walk in the summer than deal him away for a 2nd.

I'd rather keep Grabbo, make a playoff push and then let him walk in the summer than deal him away for a 2nd.
- Urethra Franklin

I'd rather keep Grabbo, make a playoff push and then let him walk in the summer than deal him away for a 2nd.
- Urethra Franklin

Burke won't deal him for that...guaranteed!!! He wants to stay in TO....be interesting to see what Burke has up his sleeve.

Cuz these aren't prospects at all. Whatever, i guess you can spin it whatever way you want.

The point is, you traded 2 established all stars for two players and some prospects and picks and are very happy with the deal.
- whosyodaddy

Wayne Simmonds, 21-16-37 points in 5 games
Jakub Voarcek, 10-23-33 points in 57 games
Mike Richards, 14-14-28 points in 51 Games
Sean Couterier, 10-11-21 points in 54 games
Jeff Carter, 12-9-21 points in 37 games
Brayden Schenn, 8-3-11 points in 30 games

I'm very, very happy with it.

And no, their not necessarily prospects. Couterier is the only one, to my knowledge, who was actually picked with picks from those trades. The rest got us Grossman and Kubina.

- VANTEL

Yeah, because the Leafs certainly aren't in the hunt for the playoffs.

Yeah, because the Leafs certainly aren't in the hunt for the playoffs.
- Urethra Franklin

Is he your saviour?

Is he your saviour?
- VANTEL

No. He's a very good second-line centre and plays his role effectively. We'd miss his production.

To edmonton.....
Jack Johnson, Jonathan Bernier....
To LA
Gagne, 2012. 1rst rnd pick


Hemskey to Tor. For Carl Gunnerson.
(...)
Edm will not have the $ to pay all these number one's in 3 years.....
(...)
- landros 2

*deep sigh* Yes. We. Will. Darryl Katz, billionaire drug dealer, lives in Edmonton, loves the team, willing to spend to the cap every year, about to spend hundreds of millions on an arena, if not for the cap would likely try to "buy" a Cup or three... why do people keep saying Edmonton won't be able to resign our picks? If we were still in the 90s, you'd be absolutely right. Things have sort of changed since then.
that said, I do like your trade idea, except I don't want to deal the first rounder unless it's for a stupid overpayment. Would LA need a backup goaltender in return? I'm not sure who would replace Bernier as Quick's backup in LA's depth chart? maybe something like, uh...
Johnson + Bernier
Gagner + MPS + a well regarded but not stellar goaltending prospect (any of our keepers but Dubnyk in other words)
I'm not sure if I'd do this one myself. I kept wanting to repackage Hemsky but figured you just don't want him at the price I'm selling at.
As far as Hemsky to TO, I don't think Hemsky is the kind of player Burke wants. I think Brian thinks Hemsky is too small and fragile to be counted on in a bash and grind Cup run. I like Hemsky and value him highly, but it's possible Burke is right.

I said that backwards
- mochoson

So you'd rather have Gagner than Yakupov?

Johnson and Bernier could likely land Jeff Carter or make up the main components in a deal for Nash.

No way in hell the Oilers get that for Gagner and a UFA.
- Urethra Franklin

Remember the Penner trade?anything is possible...

Wayne Simmonds, 21-16-37 points in 5 games
Jakub Voarcek, 10-23-33 points in 57 games
Mike Richards, 14-14-28 points in 51 Games
Sean Couterier, 10-11-21 points in 54 games
Jeff Carter, 12-9-21 points in 37 games
Brayden Schenn, 8-3-11 points in 30 games

I'm very, very happy with it.

And no, their not necessarily prospects. Couterier is the only one, to my knowledge, who was actually picked with picks from those trades. The rest got us Grossman and Kubina.
- mochoson

Real nice production from Simmonds there...

Actually I think most people would figure Lombardi would get the axe and figure he might need to make a desperate move. And its still possible, Kings (AEG) just hit the season ticket holders with some huge increases next year. If Kings miss the playoff's they may see some cancellations, even if they make it you might see some cancellations



I think fans can deal with 4-3 losses a lot better than 1-0 losses, at least you feel like you have been entertained.

Last night and Thursday was like watching paint dry...
- fsanford

I forgot about that price increase - so much context! I think that the biggest failings happening in the Kings organization are from the men in suits, not jerseys, if you're smelling what I'm stepping in. People like their PP coach (sorry, can't be bothered to google) need to go out and find new jobs, hopefully, jobs they are good at, and someone else needs a shot.
I love to see good hockey and as a goaltender I always relished playing in 1-0 matches... but I have to concede that there are lots of really dull 1-0 finishes, and very few 4-3 finishes that lack exciting and rewarding moments for fans of both teams.

Wayne Simmonds, 21-16-37 points in 5 games
Jakub Voarcek, 10-23-33 points in 57 games
Mike Richards, 14-14-28 points in 51 Games
Sean Couterier, 10-11-21 points in 54 games
Jeff Carter, 12-9-21 points in 37 games
Brayden Schenn, 8-3-11 points in 30 games

I'm very, very happy with it.

And no, their not necessarily prospects. Couterier is the only one, to my knowledge, who was actually picked with picks from those trades. The rest got us Grossman and Kubina.
- mochoson

You only had one more pick from the Carter deal.

So you'd rather have Gagner than Yakupov?
- laughs2907

Thats different. 1st overall is an entirely different animal.

I'd trade Gagner to CLB for 1st overall in a heart beat.