if howson is trying to push the flyers to take nash if im homer then i would say the only way we are doing that is if you take bryz
- griouxmvp2012

Absolutely. Why take on that Nash contract without sending back Bryz. I think that would be the move to make. However, I dont see Bryz waiving it to go to Columbus.

Do you think it's a coaching issue? Is Laviolette the reason the team - as a whole - has a tendency to play with heads up their asses?
- tangent_man

Marc Crawford would get this team to the Cup finals MUHAHAHAHAHHaaa

1. Against it. Goal scoring isn't this team's problem, and his salary cap hit is a tough one to work around.

2. I just want Bryzgalov (and Bobrovsky) to make the routine saves and a few momentum stops. I KNOW they're both capable of doing that. I'm not asking for miracles here. If another goalie would do it better (than Bobrovsky, because Bryz is unmovable), then sure.

3. Not this season.

4. I'd like to see the Flyers add a big, checking forward with some grit (Gaustad, Moen, etc) but they'll need a little more cap space and to balance off the reserve list to do it.
- bmeltzer

With regards to the Flyers acquisition of Nash.....although they don't need scoring today, Nash becomes their second best player and a Cornerstone of franchise....both briere and Jagr are starting to show their age.....as long as it's not JVR and Schenn...then it's a deal they are smart to look at

Absolutely. Why take on that Nash contract without sending back Bryz. I think that would be the move to make. However, I dont see Bryz waiving it to go to Columbus.
- stveshdy

unless he could find his soul there lol, couldnt help myself

The Pronger trade has always been one that I hated. I know noone could've predicted his concussion but there was no way he was playing out his current contract. The equivalent of 4 1st rounders for 1 year of Pronger which resulted in the golden parachute over 35+ contract that Pronger received because Holmgren couldn't let him go after giving up the farm for him.

It also reflects the complete lack of patience in developping their own defensemen. Losing Lupul doesn't bother me even though he bounced back this year. It was losing a promising high upside 1st round pick defenseman (Sbisa) who is now playing 20 minutes a night with the ducks and 2 other first round picks which (may or not have been defensemen) might be contributiing to the team on EL contracts. Instead our top 6 defensemen are all acquired from other teams via trades or UFA. The Flyers will never have their own weber or suter because in the unlikely case they would draft him, he'd never stick with the team.

Do you think it's a coaching issue? Is Laviolette the reason the team - as a whole - has a tendency to play with heads up their asses?
- tangent_man

you mean they're not coaching giroux to flip the puck to the opponent in dangerous situations over and over again?

unless he could find his soul there lol, couldnt help myself
- bigmookalookie

Who needs a soul? Just save the puck. That simple.

Do you think it's a coaching issue? Is Laviolette the reason the team - as a whole - has a tendency to play with heads up their asses?
- tangent_man

I really don't know. I know I find myself disagreeing with some of his decisions and wondering where the adjustments are.

They have been getting on Bryzgalov almost the second he had his first bad game. For a supposedly knowledgeable hockey base we have here, the rabble sure are stupid about hockey.

YESTERDAY, Bryz let up three bad goals. All three had extenuating circumstances.

1) a 2 on 1 off a bad turnover. Bryz contributes to the problem by over committing to the potential pass and coming slightly off the post, getting beat shortside. Understandable in a small degree because of how many wide open looks this team gives up in those situations. However, this time Grossman played it the right way. And Bryz CAN NOT allow himself to be beat on that side of the net.

2)A terrible turnover by Giroux leads to a breakout coming the other way. Staal gets a clean shot with Bryz should handle easily. No screen, not deflected, not a particularly hard shot. Probably the worst goal all season.

3)5 on 3 powerplay in which the Flyers are all just standing still. Allowing even the 3 players the Pens have on the ice to defend it easily. This lack of movement gets a Flyer player in trouble and he flips an airborne pass back to the point which Timonen , who is already flatfooted, cannot handle and it is off to the races. The Penguin flips a shot which makes its way between Bryz's arm and body for the third bad goal.

Bottom line is that they were all stoppable bad goals. But I will not sit here and say like so many others that Bryz is 100% at fault at not blame every other guy on this team for making bad decisions and plays that contributed to the situation.

Then have to sit here and watch Bob let up terrible goals as well, and have to listen to people have their double standards.

Bryz is the guy, the fans, the team, the city, all have to accept it and do one of two things. a)try to run the guy out of town, put up roadblock after roadblock to further exacerbate his confidence problems, or b) get behind the guy and the team and help him get his head straight.

Some in here will say, oh, he makes so much money, he needs to take it. BullCRAP! I don't care how much money you make at work, if all day long all you hear is what a POS you are all day, it is going to bother you and affect you negatively. If you say it wouldn't, you are either an idiot or a liar.

Bryz is here for a long time. Get used to it, get behind him. He is a likeable guy. He isn't a jerk, he genuinely cares about how the fans perceive him and he wants to do well. We as fans can either help that, or hinder that. Right now, we are just being like Iggles troglodyte fans. I thought we were more sophisticated than that. Able to see the subtleties and get to the root of the WHOLE problem with this team, not just the blame the ONE goalie idiots.

I support Bryz.

Who needs a soul? Just save the puck. That simple.
- stveshdy

I fully agree, but life according to Bryz, you need soul

I really don't know. I know I find myself disagreeing with some of his decisions and wondering where the adjustments are.
- Jsaquella

This also aggravates me.

They have been getting on Bryzgalov almost the second he had his first bad game. For a supposedly knowledgeable hockey base we have here, the rabble sure are stupid about hockey.

YESTERDAY, Bryz let up three bad goals. All three had extenuating circumstances.

1) a 2 on 1 off a bad turnover. Bryz contributes to the problem by over committing to the potential pass and coming slightly off the post, getting beat shortside. Understandable in a small degree because of how many wide open looks this team gives up in those situations. However, this time Grossman played it the right way. And Bryz CAN NOT allow himself to be beat on that side of the net.

2)A terrible turnover by Giroux leads to a breakout coming the other way. Staal gets a clean shot with Bryz should handle easily. No screen, not deflected, not a particularly hard shot. Probably the worst goal all season.

3)5 on 3 powerplay in which the Flyers are all just standing still. Allowing even the 3 players the Pens have on the ice to defend it easily. This lack of movement gets a Flyer player in trouble and he flips an airborne pass back to the point which Timonen , who is already flatfooted, cannot handle and it is off to the races. The Penguin flips a shot which makes its way between Bryz's arm and body for the third bad goal.

Bottom line is that they were all stoppable bad goals. But I will not sit here and say like so many others that Bryz is 100% at fault at not blame every other guy on this team for making bad decisions and plays that contributed to the situation.

Then have to sit here and watch Bob let up terrible goals as well, and have to listen to people have their double standards.

Bryz is the guy, the fans, the team, the city, all have to accept it and do one of two things. a)try to run the guy out of town, put up roadblock after roadblock to further exacerbate his confidence problems, or b) get behind the guy and the team and help him get his head straight.

Some in here will say, oh, he makes so much money, he needs to take it. BullCRAP! I don't care how much money you make at work, if all day long all you hear is what a POS you are all day, it is going to bother you and affect you negatively. If you say it wouldn't, you are either an idiot or a liar.

Bryz is here for a long time. Get used to it, get behind him. He is a likeable guy. He isn't a jerk, he genuinely cares about how the fans perceive him and he wants to do well. We as fans can either help that, or hinder that. Right now, we are just being like Iggles troglodyte fans. I thought we were more sophisticated than that. Able to see the subtleties and get to the root of the WHOLE problem with this team, not just the blame the ONE goalie idiots.

I support Bryz.

- MBFlyerfan

They have been getting on Bryzgalov almost the second he had his first bad game. For a supposedly knowledgeable hockey base we have here, the rabble sure are stupid about hockey.

YESTERDAY, Bryz let up three bad goals. All three had extenuating circumstances.

1) a 2 on 1 off a bad turnover. Bryz contributes to the problem by over committing to the potential pass and coming slightly off the post, getting beat shortside. Understandable in a small degree because of how many wide open looks this team gives up in those situations. However, this time Grossman played it the right way. And Bryz CAN NOT allow himself to be beat on that side of the net.

2)A terrible turnover by Giroux leads to a breakout coming the other way. Staal gets a clean shot with Bryz should handle easily. No screen, not deflected, not a particularly hard shot. Probably the worst goal all season.

3)5 on 3 powerplay in which the Flyers are all just standing still. Allowing even the 3 players the Pens have on the ice to defend it easily. This lack of movement gets a Flyer player in trouble and he flips an airborne pass back to the point which Timonen , who is already flatfooted, cannot handle and it is off to the races. The Penguin flips a shot which makes its way between Bryz's arm and body for the third bad goal.

Bottom line is that they were all stoppable bad goals. But I will not sit here and say like so many others that Bryz is 100% at fault at not blame every other guy on this team for making bad decisions and plays that contributed to the situation.

Then have to sit here and watch Bob let up terrible goals as well, and have to listen to people have their double standards.

Bryz is the guy, the fans, the team, the city, all have to accept it and do one of two things. a)try to run the guy out of town, put up roadblock after roadblock to further exacerbate his confidence problems, or b) get behind the guy and the team and help him get his head straight.

Some in here will say, oh, he makes so much money, he needs to take it. BullCRAP! I don't care how much money you make at work, if all day long all you hear is what a POS you are all day, it is going to bother you and affect you negatively. If you say it wouldn't, you are either an idiot or a liar.

Bryz is here for a long time. Get used to it, get behind him. He is a likeable guy. He isn't a jerk, he genuinely cares about how the fans perceive him and he wants to do well. We as fans can either help that, or hinder that. Right now, we are just being like Iggles troglodyte fans. I thought we were more sophisticated than that. Able to see the subtleties and get to the root of the WHOLE problem with this team, not just the blame the ONE goalie idiots.

I support Bryz.

- MBFlyerfan

I support Bryz also. Now stop the puck. Thats all im asking. Make the basic saves and keep your team in the game. Im not even asking to steal games anymore. They upgraded the defense and hopefully he will have more confidence in this group. LETS GO BRYZ.

Right cause Carolina has fared so much better without him..Listen I dont disagree that he handles goalies poorly but he is a good coach and Bob and Bryz arent even making routine saves. Cooke 2 goals, you kiddin me? Holmgrem has no choice but to trade for a goalie. Just have to hope someone else will take Bob off our hands for an upgrade. If Columbus has no other offers I bet you see :

PHI Nash/Mason or Sanford
CLB: JVR, BOB, 1st, and Gustaffson
- flyerfan28

I like Laviolette but I just wanted to point out one flaw in your reasoning. Laviolette coached the canes for 5 years. He did win the Stanley Cup but the Canes also missed the playoffs in 4 out of his 5 years coaching including the year before the cup and all 3 years after the cup. What this tells me is that winning the cup required a larger confluence of events that went far beyond coaching. Unfortunately, that is also the year that convinced Laviolette that he could do no wrong playing goalie roulette.

1. Against it. Goal scoring isn't this team's problem, and his salary cap hit is a tough one to work around.

2. I just want Bryzgalov (and Bobrovsky) to make the routine saves and a few momentum stops. I KNOW they're both capable of doing that. I'm not asking for miracles here. If another goalie would do it better (than Bobrovsky, because Bryz is unmovable), then sure.

3. Not this season.

4. I'd like to see the Flyers add a big, checking forward with some grit (Gaustad, Moen, etc) but they'll need a little more cap space and to balance off the reserve list to do it.
- bmeltzer

1. Agree

2. Don't really agree unless Bobo is moved for a young goaltender with potential. I think Bobo's value would be wasted on a fill in (like Nabakov).

Perhaps see how Breeze reacts without having to look over at the bench every time he lets in a suspect goal. And yes, we'd all love it if he would relax, get his head out of the cosmos, and play like he's capable, however, time is running short and the collective palms are getting sweaty.

Time for a group team hug, perhaps?

3. Agree

4. Agree

They have been getting on Bryzgalov almost the second he had his first bad game. For a supposedly knowledgeable hockey base we have here, the rabble sure are stupid about hockey.

YESTERDAY, Bryz let up three bad goals. All three had extenuating circumstances.

1) a 2 on 1 off a bad turnover. Bryz contributes to the problem by over committing to the potential pass and coming slightly off the post, getting beat shortside. Understandable in a small degree because of how many wide open looks this team gives up in those situations. However, this time Grossman played it the right way. And Bryz CAN NOT allow himself to be beat on that side of the net.

2)A terrible turnover by Giroux leads to a breakout coming the other way. Staal gets a clean shot with Bryz should handle easily. No screen, not deflected, not a particularly hard shot. Probably the worst goal all season.

3)5 on 3 powerplay in which the Flyers are all just standing still. Allowing even the 3 players the Pens have on the ice to defend it easily. This lack of movement gets a Flyer player in trouble and he flips an airborne pass back to the point which Timonen , who is already flatfooted, cannot handle and it is off to the races. The Penguin flips a shot which makes its way between Bryz's arm and body for the third bad goal.

Bottom line is that they were all stoppable bad goals. But I will not sit here and say like so many others that Bryz is 100% at fault at not blame every other guy on this team for making bad decisions and plays that contributed to the situation.

Then have to sit here and watch Bob let up terrible goals as well, and have to listen to people have their double standards.

Bryz is the guy, the fans, the team, the city, all have to accept it and do one of two things. a)try to run the guy out of town, put up roadblock after roadblock to further exacerbate his confidence problems, or b) get behind the guy and the team and help him get his head straight.

Some in here will say, oh, he makes so much money, he needs to take it. BullCRAP! I don't care how much money you make at work, if all day long all you hear is what a POS you are all day, it is going to bother you and affect you negatively. If you say it wouldn't, you are either an idiot or a liar.

Bryz is here for a long time. Get used to it, get behind him. He is a likeable guy. He isn't a jerk, he genuinely cares about how the fans perceive him and he wants to do well. We as fans can either help that, or hinder that. Right now, we are just being like Iggles troglodyte fans. I thought we were more sophisticated than that. Able to see the subtleties and get to the root of the WHOLE problem with this team, not just the blame the ONE goalie idiots.

I support Bryz.

- MBFlyerfan

I like it. Sums up everything to be honest

I fully agree, but life according to Bryz, you need soul
- bigmookalookie

Obviously. Ill give him mine if he stops the puck. In BRYZ WE TRUST!

They have been getting on Bryzgalov almost the second he had his first bad game. For a supposedly knowledgeable hockey base we have here, the rabble sure are stupid about hockey.

YESTERDAY, Bryz let up three bad goals. All three had extenuating circumstances.

1) a 2 on 1 off a bad turnover. Bryz contributes to the problem by over committing to the potential pass and coming slightly off the post, getting beat shortside. Understandable in a small degree because of how many wide open looks this team gives up in those situations. However, this time Grossman played it the right way. And Bryz CAN NOT allow himself to be beat on that side of the net.

2)A terrible turnover by Giroux leads to a breakout coming the other way. Staal gets a clean shot with Bryz should handle easily. No screen, not deflected, not a particularly hard shot. Probably the worst goal all season.

3)5 on 3 powerplay in which the Flyers are all just standing still. Allowing even the 3 players the Pens have on the ice to defend it easily. This lack of movement gets a Flyer player in trouble and he flips an airborne pass back to the point which Timonen , who is already flatfooted, cannot handle and it is off to the races. The Penguin flips a shot which makes its way between Bryz's arm and body for the third bad goal.

Bottom line is that they were all stoppable bad goals. But I will not sit here and say like so many others that Bryz is 100% at fault at not blame every other guy on this team for making bad decisions and plays that contributed to the situation.

Then have to sit here and watch Bob let up terrible goals as well, and have to listen to people have their double standards.

Bryz is the guy, the fans, the team, the city, all have to accept it and do one of two things. a)try to run the guy out of town, put up roadblock after roadblock to further exacerbate his confidence problems, or b) get behind the guy and the team and help him get his head straight.

Some in here will say, oh, he makes so much money, he needs to take it. BullCRAP! I don't care how much money you make at work, if all day long all you hear is what a POS you are all day, it is going to bother you and affect you negatively. If you say it wouldn't, you are either an idiot or a liar.

Bryz is here for a long time. Get used to it, get behind him. He is a likeable guy. He isn't a jerk, he genuinely cares about how the fans perceive him and he wants to do well. We as fans can either help that, or hinder that. Right now, we are just being like Iggles troglodyte fans. I thought we were more sophisticated than that. Able to see the subtleties and get to the root of the WHOLE problem with this team, not just the blame the ONE goalie idiots.

I support Bryz.

- MBFlyerfan

Bingo!

Obviously. Ill give him mine if he stops the puck. In BRYZ WE TRUST!
- stveshdy

I was full on sarcastic FYI lol. I have fully supported Bryz since the start

I support Bryz also. Now stop the puck. Thats all im asking. Make the basic saves and keep your team in the game. Im not even asking to steal games anymore. They upgraded the defense and hopefully he will have more confidence in this group. LETS GO BRYZ.
- stveshdy

I think that is all we are asking. Hopefully this two new guys help. But we also have to remember that there are only two defenseman on the ice at any given moment. The three forwards also have to get their collective heads out of their asses and remember not to lose their checks and make stupid passes that lead to shorthanded rushes the other way.

Just as it has always been, Bryz needs to stop the shots he should stop. No more no less.

lol sunday morning crowd is slightly different than the weekday crowd.

I think that is all we are asking. Hopefully this two new guys help. But we also have to remember that there are only two defenseman on the ice at any given moment. The three forwards also have to get their collective heads out of their asses and remember not to lose their checks and make stupid passes that lead to shorthanded rushes the other way.

Just as it has always been, Bryz needs to stop the shots he should stop. No more no less.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. We win as a team and lose as a team.

So, Bill, what are your thoughts on:

1. Trading for Nash?

2. Trading for another goalie options?

3. Changing coaches?

4. Other potential deals?

Sorry, getting bummed by all the negativity and idiocy
- Jsaquella

Found internet, eh ?

I think that is all we are asking. Hopefully this two new guys help. But we also have to remember that there are only two defenseman on the ice at any given moment. The three forwards also have to get their collective heads out of their asses and remember not to lose their checks and make stupid passes that lead to shorthanded rushes the other way.

Just as it has always been, Bryz needs to stop the shots he should stop. No more no less.
- MBFlyerfan

Very true, hopefully now with the additions, both Mezy and Carle can relax with some solid D men behined them Also im looking forward to seeing Bryz here shortly. Go Flyers and Bryz

1. Against it. Goal scoring isn't this team's problem, and his salary cap hit is a tough one to work around.

2. I just want Bryzgalov (and Bobrovsky) to make the routine saves and a few momentum stops. I KNOW they're both capable of doing that. I'm not asking for miracles here. If another goalie would do it better (than Bobrovsky, because Bryz is unmovable), then sure.

3. Not this season.

4. I'd like to see the Flyers add a big, checking forward with some grit (Gaustad, Moen, etc) but they'll need a little more cap space and to balance off the reserve list to do it.
- bmeltzer

As always, a good summary and a good follow up to questions.

I think the additions of Grossman and Kubina are overdo.
IMHO to answer the above:

1. Nash's contract is too much to swallow. To bring him on would mean either Briere or Bryz have to move.

2. Both goalies are playing not to make mistakes as apposed to playing to make saves. They are both fragile in a way that makes no sense. Especially considering Bryzgalov and what he did in Anaheim and Phoenix.

3. Yes. Maybe not during the season, and ALL of the assistant coaches.

4. I agree that a big lockdown checking forward would be a great addition. Someone who eats minutes and plays PK. If it wasn't for his contract I would say Pahlsson based on what he did in that role in Anaheim.