I don't know how you can say that when he just had a stretch of games like he did. Bounced back after a bad first period the other night and has gotten that godawful shutout monkey off our backs.

Even if he doesn't get it together this year there is nothing to say he won't bounce back next year. Maybe this just isn't the team's year. Maybe it's better he just gets this bad season out of the way now.

And I'm so (frank)ing tired of people going on and on about his pay. It's Ed snider's money who the heck cares? How about Danny Briere? He's the highest paid guy on the team but get's off the hook because he scores goals in the playoffs. That's a total bunch of poop it's not even funny. If that's the case then let's just shut up until the playoffs and see if Bryz does what it will take to please everyone at this point- Post a 0.0 GAA
- JoeRussomanno

The fact he makes 10 million dollars in salary isn't the issue, it's his cap hit. He's being compensated to be one of the best goaltenders in the league, and his play has been consistent with an AHL backup.

Only team in the NHL that has both goaltenders rocking a below .900 save %.

Worst goaltending in the sport.
- PLindbergh31

When that stat is apparent across both goalies, you should start looking into team defense as well. Bryz played good hockey in PHX; he didn't just forget how to play (though you sometimes wonder with the selection of goals that he lets in). Bob had a great rookie year; he didn't just forget how to play.

But that's what I'm saying. Bryz played a horrible game today. No one is defending him, not me. As much as people want to spin it that way, I'm saying he should have stopped ALL 3 GOALS. However, I feel as though I'm honest enough to say that the team should have played tighter hockey and not tried to get too fancy on PP's (5 on 3 especially).

That being said, Bryz was pulled, Welwood tied it, and the game was over. It was a new game at that point. It was a 20 minute, tied game and both teams were in it. As we saw, the team played horrible in front of Bob as well, as did Bob. This points to a complete lack of TEAM EFFORT. The facts could not be any clearer. Bryz was pulled and Welwood scored his 1st ever NHL goal, you could see the team getting excited and re-energized.

Simply put, Bryz should have stopped all 3 goals. The team should have played better hockey. Bob should have stopped 2 of the 3 goals. And Giroux should have been more responsible with the puck.

Now compare my top paragraph with what everyone else is saying: "Bryz sucks".

It's not hard to see where the logic is missing in this thread...
- steelydan

I will only add that the Wellwood goal was a bit of a lucky one. Sure, right place, right time, but still only after a brain fart by Englund. I think the Pens did a better job of picking up Englund than we did picking up either Bryz or Bob today. Just saying........

Im going to walk the dogs it will make more sense talking to them by myself in the forest than talking to some in here. After every loss it's doom and gloom. Gosh I can't wait till the Phillies start their season then most of the bandwagon types will focus on them and the Eagles blunder in the draft instead of blowing up twitter and w/e forums there are on the team with nonsense.

The fact he makes 10 million dollars in salary isn't the issue, it's his cap hit. He's being compensated to be one of the best goaltenders in the league, and his play has been consistent with an AHL backup.
- PLindbergh31

Please tape this to your monitor. His cap hit is 5.6M a year. This is the only detail that fans should care about. 5.6M isn't too bad for a franchise goaltender. Now if he doesn't get his game turned around, it's a waste of money...

Isaih I am in no way defending his performance today. He was terrible today. But don't sit here and act like he's been the thing holding this team back, he's not. I see him ripped when he gets a shutout so Honestly I can't take anyone's criticism other than sheer bias against the guy.
- JoeRussomanno

the fact that he was ripped after a shutout is immaterial. that's confusing what some dumb posters say on this board vs what the effect of bryzs play is on the team.

what matters is his team can't count on him. even in the midst of a recent streak of decent play, he fumbles like he did in the ranger game...he's been completely unreliable and that has a ripple effect throughout the team. to say otherwise is flat-out denial.

Had to google the Sisyphus reference...
- steelydan

never know what you might find under a rock

I will only add that the Wellwood goal was a bit of a lucky one. Sure, right place, right time, but still only after a brain fart by Englund. I think the Pens did a better job of picking up Englund than we did picking up either Bryz or Bob today. Just saying........
- rockychocbill

Completely agree with that as well.

Does anyone actually believe this Nash/Mason deal? Flyers want them to take Bryz back. Then they have to send JvR and 1st.

How the hell are they going to trade Bryz with a NMC. Its ridiculous.

Everyone settled down after todays loss? Have to put this game behind and move forward.
- stveshdy

I don't even get that emotional anymore. The season is too long and things change by the game. 20 odd games left in the regular season. Still time to sort things out but I think they need to go outside the organIzation for the goalie help.

Having said that, I fully expect Leighton to play some playoff games for us this post-season. That is almost a lock imo.

When that stat is apparent across both goalies, you should start looking into team defense as well. Bryz played good hockey in PHX; he didn't just forget how to play (though you sometimes wonder with the selection of goals that he lets in). Bob had a great rookie year; he didn't just forget how to play.
- steelydan

So teams like Columbus, Edmonton, Carolina, and the Islanders play better team defense than the Flyers do?

Sure there have been a good amount of defensive breakdowns this year, but the stark reality is the goaltending is worse than the Nittymaki, Boucher, Leighton, Esche eras.

Does anyone actually believe this Nash/Mason deal? Flyers want them to take Bryz back. Then they have to send JvR and 1st.

How the hell are they going to trade Bryz with a NMC. Its ridiculous.

Everyone settled down after todays loss? Have to put this game behind and move forward.
- stveshdy

whos reporting this?

Does anyone actually believe this Nash/Mason deal? Flyers want them to take Bryz back. Then they have to send JvR and 1st.

How the hell are they going to trade Bryz with a NMC. Its ridiculous.

Everyone settled down after todays loss? Have to put this game behind and move forward.
- stveshdy

I refuse to move assets like that just to get rid of Bryz. No way.

This thread is beyond ridiculous.

The fact he makes 10 million dollars in salary isn't the issue, it's his cap hit. He's being compensated to be one of the best goaltenders in the league, and his play has been consistent with an AHL backup.
- PLindbergh31

So goalies that are highly paid never struggle in a season? Ryan Miller is paid more than him but he's not exactly having a great year this year either. The amount of money you throw at the guy doesn't change the fact he's a human being able to underperform or struggle. This isn't some contractor you hired to Build a house. He had a bad game today whoop de do. You think Nabokov, Roloson, Mason (OMFG I can't believe I'm reading this one) and any of the others aren't going to come here and struggle? You think they ain't gonna have bad games? It's just a biproduct of pro-sports. Omg you're a Giants fan you can't tell me that team doesn't struggle and look like they belong in Pop warner at times then get it turned around.

If it was Bryzgalov or whoever we will have this issue. Even Tim Thomas has bad games etc. Right now Lundqvist is the only goalie to be having every game almost flawless. His team playing the way they do kind of helps too.

Before the 2nd goal by the Pens, we were all over them. Numerous pps, some of the dubious variety, but we got them. Many chances. There was the open net miss by Simmonds, the pass on to Briere's skates by MAB, MAB walking in and shooting wide, same thing a couple of times by Voracek. It should have been 3-1 by then easily. Then Bryz gives up the bad goal and somehow on the 5 -on 3, the teams still looks shaken. Then the goal by Cooke. We get the equalizer but within seconds in the 3rd, there is another bad goal.

I still think that the turning point was the failure to get the 3rd goal and then the 2nd goal by the Pens.

whos reporting this?
- isaiah520

Eklund.

It is true this isn't the end of the world. It's just frustrating. These boards are good for venting. we all want our teams to win and especially against our division where it is a 4 point swing. I like Bryz. I do. I think he is a good goalie. He can only play better one would hope. This team needs a good talking to. Tomorrow, if I were going, I would let each and everyone one of those guys know how frustrated I am with their play. From Bryz to Giroux to Welwood. Everyone. It's a team game.

So teams like Columbus, Edmonton, Carolina, and the Islanders play better team defense than the Flyers do?

Sure there have been a good amount of defensive breakdowns this year, but the stark reality is the goaltending is worse than the Nittymaki, Boucher, Leighton, Esche eras.
- PLindbergh31

the bryz amen corner is sounding more like a loony bin.

Im going to walk the dogs it will make more sense talking to them by myself in the forest than talking to some in here. After every loss it's doom and gloom. Gosh I can't wait till the Phillies start their season then most of the bandwagon types will focus on them and the Eagles blunder in the draft instead of blowing up twitter and w/e forums there are on the team with nonsense.
- JoeRussomanno

5 soft goals allowed in a 6-4 loss is just utter incompetence from both goaltenders. These goaltenders are both sieves, and there is nothing to indicate it will stop anytime soon. That's the bottom line.

Oh well, time to proceed with my weekend instead of worrying about "professional" goaltenders who can't stop a beach ball.

Eklund.
- stveshdy

5 soft goals allowed in a 6-4 loss is just utter incompetence from both goaltenders. These goaltenders are both sieves, and there is nothing to indicate it will stop anytime soon. That's the bottom line.

Oh well, time to proceed with my weekend instead of worrying about "professional" goaltenders who can't stop a beach ball.
- PLindbergh31

Things will get better. Things change from game to game. Plenty of hockey left to get this straightened out.

I just got tix to the 4/19 Bad Brains show at the Troc, and I'm kinda hoping Bryz is there and I meet him in the pit... just sayin'

the fact that he was ripped after a shutout is immaterial. that's confusing what some dumb posters say on this board vs what the effect of bryzs play is on the team.

what matters is his team can't count on him. even in the midst of a recent streak of decent play, he fumbles like he did in the ranger game...he's been completely unreliable and that has a ripple effect throughout the team. to say otherwise is flat-out denial.
- isaiah520

That whole paragraph completely undermines the basic fundamentals of team sports. That statement is just lacking in an understanding in actual team dynamics. Especially in Hockey where goalies have had games like this and bounced back. You're statement is beyond misinformed. I'm sorry. I never played pro-sports but I did wrestle varsity in Highschool, played all the other sports all the way into my highschool years. You never quit on a team mate. Especially one who has shown you he can play great which Bryz has more times than not. GO look at what he does in his wins vs losses. he's hot and cold in hockey with goalies you deal with it.

the fact that he was ripped after a shutout is immaterial. that's confusing what some dumb posters say on this board vs what the effect of bryzs play is on the team.

what matters is his team can't count on him. even in the midst of a recent streak of decent play, he fumbles like he did in the ranger game...he's been completely unreliable and that has a ripple effect throughout the team. to say otherwise is flat-out denial.
- isaiah520

I'm not disagreeing with this statement, but when you are playing in an actual game, and I mean out on the ice taking your shift, you don't have time to think about who's in net. You just play. So if the poor play is affecting the player's "motivation" to play hard and smart, then Houston we have another problem. They are dwelling on it too much on the bench. How one team mate, even a goalie, plays, should not affect the effort put forth by the rest of the team. And maybe it's not the whole team that's affected, but maybe the "leaders" are and it trickles on down. It is a tough one though because we are all human after all.

Things will get better. Things change from game to game. Plenty of hockey left to get this straightened out.
- stveshdy

One can only hope.