The players I know all hate plus minus and think its a BS stat anyway. Perfect example is Gragnani. Grag's is what, a plus 12 and Nash is a -17, or close.....silly stat.
- Homer

Agreed.

I read a story on line that said 85% of former Wings season ticket holders, when asked why they gave up their seats answered "Because Homer doesnt like their style of play...and ...well..he knows EVVVVERYYYTHING!"
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That may been the funniest post I've read on this site over the past 3 years
- CaptainRivet

its just a stupid post..........who cares if i don't like their style...it has nothing to do with anything.

When will we ever learn, that part of being a Sabres fan is being frustrated and for as long as they have existed say “wait til next year”. All of want the big deal, we all want the superstar, but it never happens. So now we have an owner with money to spend and most of us danced with delight on July 1st, well once again we wait. Everyone wants or somehow expects Darcy to make that big deadline deal. Again I think it will be disapointment and frustration on the 27th. Darcy has maintained that the cost of doing business on the 27th is much higher than at any other point in the season. It for that reason players like Roy, Stafford and Boyes will be in blue and gold on the 28th, because Darcy values them at higher price than the market will bear. So we can all scream then for Darcys head on a platter. We will likely get that but not until May. Pegula had his hand forced by previous ownership, into keeping Darcy. So he gave him the keys to the car and Darcy ran it off the road, he was given his chance to play with an open check book but has caused it to be over drawn. I'm sure Pegula sees that and a new GM will be here come spring. As for Lindy, he is part of the issue, but also part of the solution. Seeing Stafford tune him out, reminded me of talking to a teenager. Yes he was tuned out, but its the players, not the coach. Like I said about frustration this will be part of our frustration for years to come. Terry loves Lindy, which is an issue unto itself, but Lindy ain't going nowhere ala Larry Quinn. He may not be coach but will have a role in guiding the organization, like it or not. So as much as I hope for a major move, none will happen. But I'm a Sabres fan so I will hope and live with frustration.

Not nearly the expert you purport yourself to be.

Myers = good, Miller = good, Gerbe = 3rd line player at best, Kaleta = just about outlived his usefullness, and Vanek is anything but lazy.
That's just IMO only.
- kingcong39

I think he was being sarcastic.

For those that say you are either great right away (by 22 as the mythical number apparently), or you never will be, I have question.

How long do you give a player to show his talent?
One season?
Half of a season?
20 games?

Zero patience is just as bad as too much patience.
- kingcong39

Someone said Pronger: I'll summarize my earlier post. Ask St.Louis How many Cup they won in the 9 years they waited for Pronger to mature into his own body.

Not nearly the expert you purport yourself to be.

Myers = good, Miller = good, Gerbe = 3rd line player at best, Kaleta = just about outlived his usefullness, and Vanek is anything but lazy.
That's just IMO only.
- kingcong39

He's very good at putting words in you're mouth, glad you stood up to that big bad bully we're all suppose to cower to.

There was precisely one bad move made with free agents and trades this past offseason, and that was obviously Leino.

As far as the core, well, we all know that should have been blown to bits a while ago.

Oh and by the way, one of the plus players is Gerbe.
- Pierceme69

Its because of his effort

10 days until the trade deadline:

sabres fans: DO SOMETHING, but don't do anything stupid!

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yikes

Someone said Pronger: I'll summarize my earlier post. Ask St.Louis How many Cup they won in the 9 years they waited for Pronger to mature into his own body.
- Full Throttle

one player doesn't win a Cup.

and speaking of St. Louis, there is a another smurf who had/having a hell of a career.

Someone said Pronger: I'll summarize my earlier post. Ask St.Louis How many Cup they won in the 9 years they waited for Pronger to mature into his own body.
- Full Throttle

bazinga! Great post.

While you're at it, how many did Ottawa the Islanders win waiting for Chara?

Someone said Pronger: I'll summarize my earlier post. Ask St.Louis How many Cup they won in the 9 years they waited for Pronger to mature into his own body.
- Full Throttle

If you are judging each player by how many cups he won, it's going to be very difficult to sign guys based on that guideline.

Again, how long does a player get to show he is a quality player?

Seems like for a few of you, it's roughly the time it takes to shower and shave.

Further, so because Buffalo is a ways away from competing for the cup, it means that a. Myers is a big part of why they stink and b. it means they should trade him now because he won't help when the team is good enough to compete?

its just a stupid post..........who cares if i don't like their style...it has nothing to do with anything.
- Homer

That's why I found it funny

bazinga! Great post.
- lacaprup

so Pronger was a bust too because the Blues didnt win the cup with him?

There was precisely one bad move made with free agents and trades this past offseason, and that was obviously Leino.

As far as the core, well, we all know that should have been blown to bits a while ago.
- kingcong39

Leino can't be successful if the guys around him aren't. How well has Stafford performed this year? He's been an underachiever as well. It's not coincidence to me that they put Leino on a line with Pommer and then he started getting points. If you want a guy with talent to perform, you have to put him with talent. Not with the likes of Gaustad and Kaleta, or McCormick and Ellis. That's also been where Boyes has been playing all year.

It all comes down to the fact that we have too many wingers that can score and not enough centers to give them the puck so they can do so.

Someone said Pronger: I'll summarize my earlier post. Ask St.Louis How many Cup they won in the 9 years they waited for Pronger to mature into his own body.
- Full Throttle

Speaking of the Blues: That Barrett Jackman guy...Myers seems to be following in that guys footsteps

bazinga! Great post.

While you're at it, how many did Ottawa the Islanders win waiting for Chara?
- lacaprup

Right. He may be great one day, but it won't be with the Sabres. Sell High, win now.

If you want a guy with talent to perform, you have to put him with talent. Not with the likes of Gaustad and Kaleta, or McCormick and Ellis. That's also been where Boyes has been playing all year.
- HonkFortheGoose

That is all 100% on Lindy's head, to me, Goose.
His line shuffling and combinations leave A LOT to be desired.

If you are judging each player by how many cups he won, it's going to be very difficult to sign guys based on that guideline.

Again, how long does a player get to show he is a quality player?

Seems like for a few of you, it's roughly the time it takes to shower and shave.

Further, so because Buffalo is a ways away from competing for the cup, it means that a. Myers is a big part of why they stink and b. it means they should trade him now because he won't help when the team is good enough to compete?
- kingcong39

You want to wait 9 years, win nothing of signifigance and sell low? I'd hate to see your investment portfolio....

so Pronger was a bust too because the Blues didnt win the cup with him?
- Homer

I don't think he's calling Pringer a bust, and I'm not calling a Chara a bust; however, it takes the better part of a DECADE for guys of this body type to become what you want them to be. If you're Detroit you can sit and wait. If you're Buffalo and you desperatly need a real center....

Right. He may be great one day, but it won't be with the Sabres. Sell High, win now.
- Full Throttle

we locked him up for a long term contract so we didn't lose him like ottawa lost chara.

pronger went far with the blues, but they had an older team and he was a younger guy, they chose to trade him, that was their choice.

Right. He may be great one day, but it won't be with the Sabres. Sell High, win now.
- Full Throttle

How could you possibly know he won't be great with the Sabres, even next year, and in the future?

You want to wait 9 years, win nothing of signifigance and sell low? I'd hate to see your investment portfolio....
- Full Throttle

I like how you know it's going to take 9 years.
Good one.

You want to wait 9 years, win nothing of signifigance and sell low? I'd hate to see your investment portfolio....
- Full Throttle

there is no gaurantee we win anything if you move him either, just like there is no gaurentee we dont if we keep him. Impossible to know.

Leino can't be successful if the guys around him aren't. How well has Stafford performed this year? He's been an underachiever as well. It's not coincidence to me that they put Leino on a line with Pommer and then he started getting points. If you want a guy with talent to perform, you have to put him with talent. Not with the likes of Gaustad and Kaleta, or McCormick and Ellis. That's also been where Boyes has been playing all year.

It all comes down to the fact that we have too many wingers that can score and not enough centers to give them the puck so they can do so.
- HonkFortheGoose

Still can't undertstand why Ruff broke up Leino/Roy/Pommer.

I think Ruff tries too hard to balance out the lines rather than match skill with skill, and grit with grit.