dont let facts get in the way of a good argument...
- Ripped Fuel

Yeah fuel, you're right.
Those 0.21 g/g are a clear indication that the Rangers can't score.

Run with that-

Next Year's Lineup

Vanek Adam Pommer
Gerbe Ennis Leino
Tropp Grigorenko Kassian
Foligno Mccormick/Gausted ( if he resigns ) Kaleta ( Armia? )

Ehrhoff Myers
Mcnabb Sekera
Regehr Brennan

No playoffs next year
Ruff is still the head coach

We will dump Roy/Stafford/Leopold/Gausted at the deadline. We could have enough money next year to sign either Weber ( not Mike ) or Suter

Come on. The guy is getting worse. He's even a - player now. His production is trending down. His defensive skills are trending down.
- Full Throttle

The team is a mess. You put Myers on NYR and Del Zotto on Buffalo and see what you get out of each player.

The team is a mess. You put Myers on NYR and Del Zotto on Buffalo and see what you get out of each player.
- Homer

You get a stark reality for some here on this board.

I wonder how many Rangers fans would make that trade?

You can't get a + on the PP.
- Gunner Staal

I realize that. But scoring points and having a positive +/- doesn't mean that your defensive game doesn't need work. Gragnani has a good +/- but is a mess in his own end.

and a plus 13.....hes not a scorer.....wheres myers +/-
- Ripped Fuel

its a much more simple task to be a stay at home, bounce it of the glass and out Dman at 22/23 then having to be the man on your teams d and do it all.

Damn near impossible to have a good plus/minus on a bad team

For those that say you are either great right away (by 22 as the mythical number apparently), or you never will be, I have question.

How long do you give a player to show his talent?
One season?
Half of a season?
20 games?

Zero patience is just as bad as too much patience.

You get a stark reality for some here on this board.

I wonder how many Rangers fans would make that trade?
- kingcong39

does it really matter how many fans would make that trade? Darcy would never and Sather would in a heartbeat.

Damn near impossible to have a good plus/minus on a bad team
- Homer

Especially so on a team that is a -30 overall.

I realize that. But scoring points and having a positive +/- doesn't mean that your defensive game doesn't need work. Gragnani has a good +/- but is a mess in his own end.
- HonkFortheGoose

He most certainly has room to grow, but I wouldn't consider him a liability.

does it really matter how many fans would make that trade? Darcy would never and Sather would in a heartbeat.
- Homer

That was exactly my point Homer and why I said it.

its a much more simple task to be a stay at home, bounce it of the glass and out Dman at 22/23 then having to be the man on your teams d and do it all.

Damn near impossible to have a good plus/minus on a bad team
- Homer

Only 4 players on the current roster have a positive +/-.

That was exactly my point Homer and why I said it.
- kingcong39

ok, i couldnt tell where u were going with that, sorry

He most certainly has room to grow, but I wouldn't consider him a liability.
- Gunner Staal

I was just saying that he still has some consistency issues. Not that he's terrible. That's what the discussion was about.

The team is a mess. You put Myers on NYR and Del Zotto on Buffalo and see what you get out of each player.
- Homer

If the only way he plays better is being on a different team, then that kind of supports my thought on him being more valuable to us as trade bait than playing for us.

That was exactly my point Homer and why I said it.
- kingcong39

Let me guess..youre another expert right???

myers is great, miller is great, gerbe is great, kaleta is great,

and vanek is lazy...

lol

Only 4 players on the current roster have a positive +/-.
- HonkFortheGoose

That's Damn near impossible.

I read a story on line that said 85% of former Wings season ticket holders, when asked why they gave up their seats answered "Because Homer doesnt like their style of play...and ...well..he knows EVVVVERYYYTHING!"
-Ripped



That may been the funniest post I've read on this site over the past 3 years

I read a story on line that said 85% of former Wings season ticket holders, when asked why they gave up their seats answered "Because Homer doesnt like their style of play...and ...well..he knows EVVVVERYYYTHING!"
-Ripped



That may been the funniest post I've read on this site over the past 3 years
- CaptainRivet

Id argue if I could...

Only 4 players on the current roster have a positive +/-.
- HonkFortheGoose

The players I know all hate plus minus and think its a BS stat anyway. Perfect example is Gragnani. Grag's is what, a plus 12 and Nash is a -17, or close.....silly stat.

AMMMMMMMEEEENNNNN only person here with a clue
- Ripped Fuel

So it was lost on both of you that Homer's point was that the Rangers are a vastly better team than Buffalo and that was why he would be better on them versus the Sabres this season?

I read a story on line that said 85% of former Wings season ticket holders, when asked why they gave up their seats answered "Because Homer doesnt like their style of play...and ...well..he knows EVVVVERYYYTHING!"
-Ripped



That may been the funniest post I've read on this site over the past 3 years
- CaptainRivet

glad you're amused

If the only way he plays better is being on a different team, then that kind of supports my thought on him being more valuable to us as trade bait than playing for us.
- Full Throttle

It's not a matter of him playing better, it's a matter of him having a better team around him. It's a lot easier to be successful on a team that is performing well than on one that's not.

That's Damn near impossible.
- Full Throttle

Oh and by the way, one of the plus players is Gerbe.

Let me guess..youre another expert right???

myers is great, miller is great, gerbe is great, kaleta is great,

and vanek is lazy...

lol
- Ripped Fuel

Not nearly the expert you purport yourself to be.

Myers = good, Miller = good, Gerbe = 3rd line player at best, Kaleta = just about outlived his usefullness, and Vanek is anything but lazy.
That's just IMO only.