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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:09 AM ET
Seeing the same thing now with JvR.
- Jsaquella


i don't know how anybody can seriously want to trade jvr at this stage of his career. unless it's an absolute no-brainer deal of the century deal, which isn't happening, you let him get healthy and continue to develop.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:09 AM ET
Read his blog. That is actually in there.
- PLindbergh31


Holy poop that is EPIC
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:09 AM ET
Sestito got hit with a big shot. Looks like he hyperextended his knee when he got pummeled with that haymaker.

With JVR's status up in the air, and now Briere injured again, Holmgren might have to go shopping for a forward.

- PLindbergh31

Leafs are shopping grabo...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:11 AM ET
i don't know how anybody can seriously want to trade jvr at this stage of his career. unless it's an absolute no-brainer deal of the century deal, which isn't happening, you let him get healthy and continue to develop.
- hammarby31


My one caveat is, if you get a good young defenseman, with a similar upside, signed to a friendly deal. That wouldn't be a steal of the century deal, but a fair hockey trade....the good news is now, in adding Grossman, there's really zero reason to trade for one.
Buts16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: big masters of the puck
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:11 AM ET
he still sucks. definitely should trade him while his value is at an all-time high. he could probably fetch suter in an even swap. it's always been hartnell's dream to go back to the music city.
- hammarby31


my favourite play of the game was Talbot making a kick save on Roy and when Talbot got called for the trip he was pissed

It was like a blatant trip on the soccer pitch and just foolish and Talbot was pissed at the call. What a mess.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:12 AM ET
Leafs are shopping grabo...
- jak521


I saw that. Burke spoon feeding Dreger what the price will be.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:13 AM ET
I remember for a while Carter had Tolpeko and Kapanen as wingers and people were snapping because he only scored 29 goals
- Buts16


imagine what he could have done with afansenkov instead of kapanen. he'd probably still be here.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:14 AM ET
My one caveat is, if you get a good young defenseman, with a similar upside, signed to a friendly deal. That wouldn't be a steal of the century deal, but a fair hockey trade....the good news is now, in adding Grossman, there's really zero reason to trade for one.
- Jsaquella


i understand the thinking, but i'm still hesitant to move him even for a defensive counterpart. i just want to give him a real shot.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:15 AM ET
my favourite play of the game was Talbot making a kick save on Roy and when Talbot got called for the trip he was pissed

It was like a blatant trip on the soccer pitch and just foolish and Talbot was pissed at the call. What a mess.

- Buts16


I was cracking up when Gerbe was trying to bull rush Max. Have to give Gerbe some credit. He's game for a liliputian. Have to think he has a serious napoleon complex. The dude is so small it's ridiculous. I think he works part time standing on wedding cakes.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:18 AM ET
i understand the thinking, but i'm still hesitant to move him even for a defensive counterpart. i just want to give him a real shot.
- hammarby31


I'm not looking to trade him...and I'd prefer the deal you mention. I'd hate to see JvR turn into LeClair somewhere else.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:20 AM ET
My one caveat is, if you get a good young defenseman, with a similar upside, signed to a friendly deal. That wouldn't be a steal of the century deal, but a fair hockey trade....the good news is now, in adding Grossman, there's really zero reason to trade for one.
- Jsaquella

I wouldn't say no reason to make a move like that. It would depend on what you think is going to happen in the off season. a lot of questions about the resigning of the D and what that will cost them. At least in your scenario, you have some cost certainty moving forward
Buts16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: big masters of the puck
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:22 AM ET
I was cracking up when Gerbe was trying to bull rush Max. Have to give Gerbe some credit. He's game for a liliputian. Have to think he has a serious napoleon complex. The dude is so small it's ridiculous. I think he works part time standing on wedding cakes.
- PLindbergh31


I give him credit for showing some emotion, the Vanek and Roys wanted nothing to do with the Flyers after the 1st period.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:22 AM ET
I wouldn't say no reason to make a move like that. It would depend on what you think is going to happen in the off season. a lot of questions about the resigning of the D and what that will cost them. At least in your scenario, you have some cost certainty moving forward
- nails


I should say that there's zero desperation to do a JvR for young defenseman deal.

The new CBA is going to weigh heavy on future moves.
Buts16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: big masters of the puck
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:22 AM ET
imagine what he could have done with afansenkov instead of kapanen. he'd probably still be here.
- hammarby31


The Shark was the lone bright spot in the lost season, everybody loved him.

What a mess.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:23 AM ET
I wouldn't say no reason to make a move like that. It would depend on what you think is going to happen in the off season. a lot of questions about the resigning of the D and what that will cost them. At least in your scenario, you have some cost certainty moving forward
- nails


Fair point. I think the fear moving him is, because he hasn't reached his potential and is just scratching the surface, you won't get equal value back.

If he already was a 25-30 goal scorer, then you have to weigh trading him for a guy like Suter, at this point you have to weigh trading him for an unproven L. Schenn.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:24 AM ET
The Shark was the lone bright spot in the lost season, everybody loved him.

What a mess.

- Buts16

nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:24 AM ET
I should say that there's zero desperation to do a JvR for young defenseman deal.

The new CBA is going to weigh heavy on future moves.

- Jsaquella

yes, not desperate any more.
If they get a one time buy out opportunity, that would fix a lot of this moving forward.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:25 AM ET
I give him credit for showing some emotion, the Vanek and Roys wanted nothing to do with the Flyers after the 1st period.
- Buts16


Nope they sure didnt. It amazes me Ruff is still employed.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:25 AM ET
yes, not desperate any more.
If they get a one time buy out opportunity, that would fix a lot of this moving forward.

- nails


Be nice if they could get a 3 time buyout feature...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:25 AM ET
Nope they sure didnt. It amazes me Ruff is still employed.
- PLindbergh31


I think Pegula cleans house as soon as their season is over.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:27 AM ET

- Jsaquella


Primary assist, Mike York...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 8:28 AM ET
I think Pegula cleans house as soon as their season is over.
- Jsaquella


No question. I suppose there is no point doing it now.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:28 AM ET
Primary assist, Mike York...
- PLindbergh31


Whole heaps of fugly on that one.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:28 AM ET
Fair point. I think the fear moving him is, because he hasn't reached his potential and is just scratching the surface, you won't get equal value back.

If he already was a 25-30 goal scorer, then you have to weigh trading him for a guy like Suter, at this point you have to weigh trading him for an unproven L. Schenn.

- PLindbergh31



I certainly think Schenn is trending in the right direction, but again its just a slower progression for the majority of D men.
How much better would Schenn look right now if he was on a different team, with a different system and different linemates?
same thought as this kid on the knicks.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Feb 17 @ 8:29 AM ET
Be nice if they could get a 3 time buyout feature...
- Jsaquella

I would be happy with one.
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