Don't misunderstand me now...in Parise and Getzlaf's case, I think a 1-for-1 for Kane is 100% fair. As for Myers, it would take Myers + a little bit.
- andru2797

Agreed.

Here's the problem: he hasn't done it by himself.

He had some huge games especially in 09. He disappeared at times too.

For the now 8 millionth time, points are NOT the sole valuator of a hockey player.

They don't do it by themselves. Play with—and WITHOUT— the puck determines a hockey player's worth Spare me the "you need both types of players" argument. That is the fallback of people who don't fully understand the game.

This is why hockey people will tell you that guys like Toews and Datsyuk and Crosby are the best players in the game. Play with—and without— the puck.
- John Jaeckel

But Tyler Myers is having a flat out poor year. Not like Patrick Kane poor where he should finish with 65-70 points with an all star appearance. Like hes been scratched a game this year maybe two, is a minus ten, does not hit and has 13 points and lost his spot on the PP.

But what if one or more of those parts do not play up to their potential? Patrick Kane, for all the criticism, has been remarkably consistent with his year to year production. You can't say the same for guys that are "Ladd-types".
- andru2797

Roughly a point a game player. INconsistent to bad defensively. Not physical. Disappears in physical games.

Play with—and without— the puck. This is now officially the mantra of this blog.

But what if one or more of those parts do not play up to their potential? Patrick Kane, for all the criticism, has been remarkably consistent with his year to year production. You can't say the same for guys that are "Ladd-types".
- andru2797

That's why in an earlier post I said IF you move him you'd better be damn sure it's going to work out. But, by saying Ladd type players, I was implying that they would be hard nosed, physical, established NHL players who are young enough to be around for a good long time. OR an equally young and talented star calibre player. Not prospects.

But Tyler Myers is having a flat out poor year. Not like Patrick Kane poor where he should finish with 65-70 points with an all star appearance. Like hes been scratched a game this year maybe two, is a minus ten, does not hit and has 13 points and lost his spot on the PP.
- mvp0207

He's on a bad team, +/- suffers when you're on a bad team. Look at the Hawk payer's +/- before and after losing nine games.

Myers is a nice young d-man. I am not comparing him to Kane. Not sure wy you are.

And what if Jiri Tlusty turns into Michael Frolik and Cal Clutterbuck plays like Bryan Bickell?

My point is I'd rather take my chances with Kane (and whoever else we fill a bottom 6 role with) if that's the best we can get for him.
- andru2797

You don't do any trade for Kane unless it brings you back a stud. If the return addresses a serious problem elsewhere, it should be considered seriously.

Most here say defence is a major issue. Tyler Meyers can play for 15 years in this league and he has a wing span of about 40 feet and is a nasty dude in front of the net. I'd make that deal in a NY minute but Buffalo won't because they don't want or need a small perimeter forward.

Roughly a point a game player. INconsistent to bad defensively. Not physical. Disappears in physical games.

Play with—and without— the puck. This is now officially the mantra of this blog.
- John Jaeckel

Can a team have one guy on it who plays poorly without the puck? But adds 70 - 90 points a year or is that unacceptable?

Good point.

Still when Joe Thornton was dealt to San Jose, or when Heatley was dealt to Ottawa, they were Kane sized players in the league in terms of reputation and perceived value and both their teams "came out ahead" in those deals.

Thornton and Heatley and what they were once perceived as and what they have become are salient in a discussion on Kane.
- John Jaeckel

I think the only difference from the above mentioned is that Kane is a pretty solid playoff performer. Heatly had a couple good playoff series w Ottawa, but we all know what Thornton turns into come playoff time.

Roughly a point a game player. INconsistent to bad defensively. Not physical. Disappears in physical games.

Play with—and without— the puck. This is now officially the mantra of this blog.
- John Jaeckel

Agreed. But you know exactly what you're getting from 88 every season in terms of production, warts and all. Can you say the same about a Jiri Tlusty or similar?

I don't think Buffalo would take just Kane and Crawford for Miller and Myers. If you think about it, you are adding Pirri, who I think is questionable to ever have a roll with the NHL team and Bickell, an underachiever who just about everyone wants to get rid of. I'm thinking the deal might need Kruger, perhaps instead of Bickell, if you wanted to pry Myers away from them or get Miller, Roy and Regher instead. Hawks not exactly dealing from a position of strength after losing 10 in a row (yes, I'm counting tonight as a loss).
- RetiredGoalie

Miller and Myers
We could have potentially got Getzlaf if we were willing to give up Myers. He's still got one of the most potential for a young d-men in the league. Don't forget how young he is. That trade is pathetic in every way shape or form. Pathetic

This is why I am. Because there are a few on here who are saying Kane for Myers straight up would be a good deal and that Buffalo would not even make the trade.

You don't do any trade for Kane unless it brings you back a stud. If the return addresses a serious problem elsewhere, it should be considered seriously.

Most here say defence is a major issue. Tyler Meyers can play for 15 years in this league and he has a wing span of about 40 feet and is a nasty dude in front of the net. I'd make that deal in a NY minute but Buffalo won't because they don't want or need a small perimeter forward.
- RickJ

Myers is tall and has a nice wingspan so what so does Simon Denis Peppin. He will be an good stay at home type dman who could MAYBE catch his offensive touch again. Maybe. Hes not that rough he uses his stick A LOT

I guarentee if Hawks offered Kane for Myers Buffalo would do it. They benched him a couple games this year but they wont trade him for Kane.

Don't misunderstand me now...in Parise and Getzlaf's case, I think a 1-for-1 for Kane is 100% fair. As for Myers, it would take Myers + a little bit.
- andru2797

The Sabres already turned down Getzlaf for Myers. I like Kane the player but Meyers is already a force and a franchise D at age 22. The biggest negative for Kane is that he isn't a center.

Miller and Myers
We could have potentially got Getzlaf if we were willing to give up Myers. He's still got one of the most potential for a young d-men in the league. Don't forget how young he is. That trade is pathetic in every way shape or form. Pathetic
- SabresOnAWarpath

POTENTIAL is a big word Hes moved backwards every year hes been in the league.

Im just saying Kane for Myers

This is why I am. Because there are a few on here who are saying Kane for Myers straight up would be a good deal and that Buffalo would not even make the trade.



Myers is tall and has a nice wingspan so what so does Simon Denis Peppin. He will be an good stay at home type dman who could MAYBE catch his offensive touch again. Maybe. Hes not that rough he uses his stick A LOT

I guarentee if Hawks offered Kane for Myers Buffalo would do it. They benched him a couple games this year but they wont trade him for Kane.
- mvp0207

You're dead wrong - they wouldn't do it. They did put him in the box for 1 game because he was slumping badly and not because of attitude. The kid skates like the wind and plays all three phases of the game. Future captain.

Everybody seems to look at these Kane scenarios from a pure hockey fan perspective. Right or wrong... this is a business. Kane's marketability is a big factor in this that nobody is talking about. It does count.. Maybe not for us but certainly for GM's and owners.

Since Buffalo fans are saying it then it must be true. This is hilarious.

Agreed. But you know exactly what you're getting from 88 every season in terms of production, warts and all. Can you say the same about a Jiri Tlusty or similar?
- andru2797

Must be a Quebec thing, you turn everything into a debate. Jiri Tlusty has more goals this year so far than Kane. Only a simpleton would even think Tlusty or his ilk would be involved in a trade for Patrick Kane.

Think battleship for battleship or star for star. Is that too hard?

Wow, as a Sabres season ticket holder, I must chime in here. I usually just read the comments, but I must say mvp's take on Myers is off. He is not having a GREAT year. Our whole team has been in a year long funk. Myers was benched for a 1 game wake up call. Came back and scored 2 goals the next game. Game after fractured his wrist and missed 19 games. He is 22 and the physical part of his game keeps getting stronger...Rumor WAS that the Ducks offered Getz straight up for Myers. All this being said, I don't think you get Kane 1 for 1. I would love Kane to come home to Buffalo, but the Sabres won't move Myers anyway. Kane, Crawford for Miller, Roy, Sekara, and a 1st or 2nd MAYBE. Anyway, Hawks are my #2 team and I hope the streak ends tonight!!

You're dead wrong - they wouldn't do it. They did put him in the box for 1 game because he was slumping badly and not because of attitude. The kid skates like the wind and plays all three phases of the game. Future captain.
- Slump Buster

He has 5 power play points this year. Hasn't he been off the number one unit for most of it for Marc Andre Gragnani

This is why I am. Because there are a few on here who are saying Kane for Myers straight up would be a good deal and that Buffalo would not even make the trade.



Myers is tall and has a nice wingspan so what so does Simon Denis Peppin. He will be an good stay at home type dman who could MAYBE catch his offensive touch again. Maybe. Hes not that rough he uses his stick A LOT

I guarentee if Hawks offered Kane for Myers Buffalo would do it. They benched him a couple games this year but they wont trade him for Kane.
- mvp0207

No we won't because franchise d-men for our organization have been nearly impossible to find. Myers will most likely be our best d-man in franchise history. You can't look at the stats. If you watch the Sabres on a nightly basis you would realize. Plus Myers was benched for one game when we were doing really well earlier in the year and was never benched again. He is going nowhere and there are very very few players I would trade him for. None of them are named Kane. Myers is future captain material. Kane will never wear the C in his lifetime. No thanks.

with hawks fans so often looking for that "ladd type player" (myself included) anybody find what Tessier blogged about today interesting? my mind begins to wonder if any type of package deal with prospects would interest the Jets. i'd gladly give up prospects for a proven guy like Ladd.

I guess all we can do is see how each of their careers end up.

Has Myers play got better or worse in each of his last two seasons since his rookie year?

This is why I am. Because there are a few on here who are saying Kane for Myers straight up would be a good deal and that Buffalo would not even make the trade.



Myers is tall and has a nice wingspan so what so does Simon Denis Peppin. He will be an good stay at home type dman who could MAYBE catch his offensive touch again. Maybe. Hes not that rough he uses his stick A LOT

I guarentee if Hawks offered Kane for Myers Buffalo would do it. They benched him a couple games this year but they wont trade him for Kane.
- mvp0207

Myers missed a number of games earlier this year with injuries. He's playing on a team that is underachieving and has had a huge number of man games lost.

Underachieving is what Pat Kane is doing this year as well.

Love #88 all you want, doesn't bother me. I'm just saying I personally would make the trade even up with the Sabres but I doubt Buffalo would.

with hawks fans so often looking for that "ladd type player" (myself included) anybody find what Tessier blogged about today interesting? my mind begins to wonder if any type of package deal with prospects would interest the Jets. i'd gladly give up prospects for a proven guy like Ladd.
- dr_boloney

Where do I sign up for this?

He has 5 power play points this year. Hasn't he been off the number one unit for most of it for Marc Andre Gragnani
- mvp0207

Just stop. Gragnani has been awful this year. He got pp time the other night but when we are totally healthy on the backend he's the 8th best d-mn on the team.