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- thedude3433

Nose bleeds for 150 a pop SRO for 75.

Wheres that guy that wants to stop spending money on games like I said give a couple games to me for face value please I'll take them off your hands. PM me

I'll rearrange the furniture in my living room to how it was when they wont the Cup.

Fung Shway anyone?
- pri$ey

Good call Pri$ey , I have to break into my neighbors basement tow atch the game tonight, they're on vacation and thats where I was when the Hawks won the cup...

Very true. I do believe they would rather have him over JVR.
- finyards

They hate him because they perceive him as GOOD and Talented thats what I mean.

I'll rearrange the furniture in my living room to how it was when they wont the Cup.

Fung Shway anyone?
- pri$ey

Thats great.

Im talking an inherent feeling I get when reading national news about Kane. Not necessarily numbers or percentages or rankings. They seem to stress his talent more. You hear things like "great hands" "playmaker" "World class talent" More often then you hear Lazy, soft or cocky.

Where like John said in chicago you get this rift between newer fans and old school guys and the old school guys knock him pretty hard. Harder then most other places I've heard him knocked. Thats what I mean.

But I could be wrong like I said just me personal experience.
- mvp0207

No debate here...Only that the ESPN poll isn't worth any keystrokes.

Good point.

Still when Joe Thornton was dealt to San Jose, or when Heatley was dealt to Ottawa, they were Kane sized players in the league in terms of reputation and perceived value and both their teams "came out ahead" in those deals.

Thornton and Heatley and what they were once perceived as and what they have become are salient in a discussion on Kane.
- John Jaeckel

I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him for the right deal, just that you have to be careful. You're supposed to learn from past mistakes, not repeat them.

Plus, most of those guys originally listed (Roenick, Belfour, Hull etc) all left or were dealt for other than pure Hockey reasons...in other words $. Trading Kane would be a purely voluntary act with the intention of making the team better, not a forced act of desperation or retribution for daring to ask to be paid. Big difference.

If I were Stan, and had decided I was going to move Kane with designs on improving the team, I think I would need to get back either an equally young/established player of a completely different style (Think stud D-man or power forward), or a package of 2-3 really good, youngish, middle tier, preferably physical role players (Ladd/Clutterbuck types).

No debate here...Only that the ESPN poll isn't worth any keystrokes.
- Al

Are you trying to tell me ESPN does not give hoceky the credit it deserves?


J/K yea I hear what you're saying.

I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him for the right deal, just that you have to be careful. You're supposed to learn from past mistakes, not repeat them.

Plus, most of those guys originally listed (Roenick, Belfour, Hull etc) all left or were dealt for other than pure Hockey reasons...in other words $. Trading Kane would be a purely voluntary act with the intention of making the team better, not a forced act of desperation or retribution for daring to ask to be paid. Big difference.

If I were Stan, and had decided I was going to move Kane with designs on improving the team, I think I would need to get back either an equally young/established player of a completely different style (Think stud D-man or power forward), or a package of 2-3 really good, youngish, middle tier, preferably physical role players (Ladd/Clutterbuck types).
- Ogilthorpe2

Give me Nick Backstrom please.

Are you trying to tell me ESPN does not give hoceky the credit it deserves?


J/K yea I hear what you're saying.
- mvp0207

To be honest not really...

Only as I said the numbers don't indicate to me it is worth taking into consideration.

Toews and Sharp on line 1 Backstrom and Hossa on line 2.

Or is backstrom to "Euro" for us?

Toews and Sharp on line 1 Backstrom and Hossa and next year (Rensfeldt) on line 2.

Or is backstrom to "Euro" for us?
- mvp0207

I'd rather Getzlaf for this team. If I had to chose a young-ish C. Perhaps even Jordan Staal.

The reason the league doesn't want Chicago to prosper!
- powerenforcer

If (and only if) you're being serious:

3rd largest US market (maybe including Canada - dont know about Toronto.

Original 6 team.

Excellent fan base, for a US city.

After over 40 years they'd ignore all that? They even put a team back in Winnipeg, for heaven's sake.

ME! Welcome pal, you may remember me as HawksBell28 from the "Varsity Board"
- John Jaeckel

Thanks, I've been reading for while - started posting just recently - still hang out at the Varsity board, too

Not straight up, I don't think. I am not as high on Kane a some, not as down on Miller as some.

But I think it makes more sense as Kane + for Miller + (depending on what those +'s are form each side).

I also think the Hawks should be able to get a legitimate 2nd center (a good one) AND a top 4 defenseman (a good one) for Kane.
- John Jaeckel

Kane, Crawford, Pirri and Bickell or Kruger for either Miller & Myers or for Miller, Regher & Roy. Posted this earlier. Was bored at work then, and still am now.

I'd rather Getzlaf for this team. If I had to chose a young-ish C. Perhaps even Jordan Staal.
- andru2797

NO Stall for me. Getz is doable Speeza, Tavares.

I think there are some Hawk fans who think he is soft, lazy, overrated. There are some people outside Chicago who feel that way.

I will also reiterate that generally, the average Hawk fan thinks more highly of him than the average fan outside Chicago. I talk to a lot of both, believe me and have for years.

Further, the average Hawk fan, and especially the newcomers, don't appreciate how good many other players outside Chicago are.
- John Jaeckel[/quote]

+1

Kane, Crawford, Pirri and Bickell or Kruger for either Miller & Myers or for Miller, Regher & Roy. Posted this earlier. Was bored at work then, and still am now.
- RetiredGoalie

You dont think Kane and Crawford would be enough for Miller and Myers you'd throw in Pirri and Bickell'Krueger as well. WOW thats a lot for a Dman who had a nice rookie year but has been a healthy scratch this year and a golaie with back to back sub par seasons.

Makes no sense for Scott to be playing with Frolik on the bench.

The only possible explanation is Frolik is part of potential trade, or Q has gone insane.

I was not evaluating the trades. If I did, I would say the Hawks lost every single one of those. And it's not even close. The American Indians made out better with the Europeans than the Hawks did in their trades (kind of ironic, actually). My point was more to the fact that anyone could be traded, except Toews, IMO.
- furso27

I know wat you're saying, but my point still stands also....

Just because all those guys were traded, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. If they had the ability to, I'd be willing to bet they would un-do every one of those deals with the possible exception of Larmer. He deserved to get his name on the Cup, even if it wasn't here.

The last thing they want is to add Kane to the list of colossal trade blunders.

I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him for the right deal, just that you have to be careful. You're supposed to learn from past mistakes, not repeat them.

Plus, most of those guys originally listed (Roenick, Belfour, Hull etc) all left or were dealt for other than pure Hockey reasons...in other words $. Trading Kane would be a purely voluntary act with the intention of making the team better, not a forced act of desperation or retribution for daring to ask to be paid. Big difference.

If I were Stan, and had decided I was going to move Kane with designs on improving the team, I think I would need to get back either an equally young/established player of a completely different style (Think stud D-man or power forward), or a package of 2-3 really good, youngish, middle tier, preferably physical role players (Ladd/Clutterbuck types).
- Ogilthorpe2

Good points. I really don't get all the Miller talk. Would have been nice to have him for the last 4-5 years. But the next 5 years? Kane can come back to haunt us just as the other did you mentioned. I still think this team can get what it needs and keep a Kane on the roster especially with the cap space we have. I would rather deal Leddy, Stalberg or even Bolland with the emergence of Kruger. Kane is tradable. But highly doubt they will deal him.

Kane, Crawford, Pirri and Bickell or Kruger for either Miller & Myers or for Miller, Regher & Roy. Posted this earlier. Was bored at work then, and still am now.
- RetiredGoalie

You'd never get Meyers. There was talk that Anaheim was willing to talk Getzlaf for Meyers and the Sabres said no.

You dont think Kane and Crawford would be enough for Miller and Myers you'd throw in Pirri and Bickell'Krueger as well. WOW thats a lot for a Dman who had a nice rookie year but has been a healthy scratch this year and a golaie with back to back sub par seasons.
- mvp0207

For one single game.

You won't hear may say it can't happen...

My guess is Salak starts on national TV on Sunday morning if they drop the next two games.
- Al

Talk about a debacle if they go 14/15.

I admit Frolik has been disappointing but Scott... Ugh... At least no one will mess wit our guys (sarcasm in case that needed to be clarified)

Don't coaches get fired before they do something that ridiculous? Especially regarding a prospect that has barely played this year?

Makes no sense for Scott to be playing with Frolik on the bench.

The only possible explanation is Frolik is part of potential trade, or Q has gone insane.
- kwolf68

More likely.

Makes no sense for Scott to be playing with Frolik on the bench.

The only possible explanation is Frolik is part of potential trade, or Q has gone insane.
- kwolf68

Normally I would completely agree with this. But the Rangers play a nasty game. And maybe I give Q a pass this time as he is tired of watching Toews get worked over. I would actually much prefer Scott and Frolik sit and Bolig got a call up.