hey knucklehead leave the name calling out of your punk replies
- molly2522

Follow your own prescription.
Never called you a name. Simply illustrated your method of argument.

whaaaaaattttt? Molly are you drinking the Kool Aid

All in with what? They pretty much stood pat with there roster that year with some people saying we needed to trade for a goalie, that niemi and Huet were not going to cut it, everyone was crying for Vokun. There were Buff rumors running rampant. But the year we won the cup we made very minor moves at the deadline.
- mvp0207

so thisyears team is as talented as the cup team
i think not different scenario this year

If Saad is so great, why did he slip to the second round?

Given, he broke camp with the Hawks and played 2 games in the NHL. That doesn't mean that he's also destined for stardom, either. Perhaps he is, who knows?

If you're flipping Saad, and not picks, in the trade that was suggested, and getting Grossman back in return and re-signed, you're getting a young solid defensive defenseman for a could be 2nd or 3rd line power forward.
- EKolb13

I believe its because he had a minor injury the year before and teams were a bit hesitant just a month or so before the draft he was ranked as high as 6 on some prospect boards.

Grossman really isnt going to bring that much though. Thats what I dont understand.

hey knucklehead leave the name calling out of your punk replies
- molly2522

Doesn't "knucklehead" fall under the realm of "name-calling?"

Just Sayin'.

If you believe a solid #4 D-man with size who can also skate would help this team (I do), then yes...he would help a lot.
- Ogilthorpe2

+1

so thisyears team is as talented as the cup team
i think not different scenario this year
- molly2522

Alright Molly you are talking in circles. YES thats exactly right this team is different then that team but you are the one that brought up the comparison and said they went all in at the deadline which was simply false.

so thisyears team is as talented as the cup team
i think not different scenario this year
- molly2522

wow. Your ability to put words in someone's mouth.... incredible, I'm speechless really.

I believe its because he had a minor injury the year before and teams were a bit hesitant just a month or so before the draft he was ranked as high as 6 on some prospect boards.

Grossman really isnt going to bring that much though. Thats what I dont understand.
- mvp0207

Doesn't really matter why he was a second round pick. Fact: he was a second round pick. If you could get Grossman for a second and a third, or just Saad (a second) then it sounds like the better bargain is trading just the second (Saad).

If you believe a solid #4 D-man with size who can also skate would help this team (I do), then yes...he would help a lot.
- Ogilthorpe2

While there aren't plenty of fish in the sea on this one, you can rest assured you can catch your fish while reserving (some of your) best bait.

Doesn't really matter why he was a second round pick. Fact: he was a second round pick. If you could get Grossman for a second and a third, or just Saad (a second) then it sounds like the better bargain is trading just the second (Saad).
- Ogilthorpe2

Agreed. I said something relative to that a few minutes ago.

Doesn't really matter why he was a second round pick. Fact: he was a second round pick. If you could get Grossman for a second and a third, or just Saad (a second) then it sounds like the better bargain is trading just the second (Saad).
- Ogilthorpe2

Saad is one year ahead of whatever you draft in the second round this year however. Seemingly ahead of what you drafted in the first and second rounds for the last couple of years actually...

If you believe a solid #4 D-man with size who can also skate would help this team (I do), then yes...he would help a lot.
- Ogilthorpe2

Yea it will help them for a second and third round pick maybe? Not for one of your highest rated prospects.

Grossman is a very nice player indeed but personally I dont think this really gets the Hawks that much closer to a Cup this year.

Alright Molly you are talking in circles. YES thats exactly right this team is different then that team but you are the one that brought up the comparison and said they went all in at the deadline which was simply false.
- mvp0207

no im not talking in circles
this team is not as talented as the cup team and needs a few pieces
i personally believe they could win the cup with one top four defenseman and two physical forwards even with our average at best goaltending

While there aren't plenty of fish in the sea on this one, you can rest assured you can catch your fish while reserving (some of your) best bait.
- nathanjf

I guess the question is, do we have the right bait to land a Kubina, or some smaller fish akin to Campoli?

Doesn't really matter why he was a second round pick. Fact: he was a second round pick. If you could get Grossman for a second and a third, or just Saad (a second) then it sounds like the better bargain is trading just the second (Saad).
- Ogilthorpe2

Bad reasoning thats like saying someone like say Matt Read who was undrafeted is not worth a second in return right now.

Just beacuse Saad was a second does not mean he cant command a second and third in different years back. Because hes a second who has hit and is playing like a first and who made the team out of camp and did alright up here.

I guess the question is, to we have the right bait to land a Kubina, or some smaller fish akin to Campoli?
- EKolb13

Yes to both. Why not? Kubina plays in the East, and for a GM that should have at least a mildly positive relationship with Bowman(s). We have all of our picks and some mid tier prospects. I would think a guy like Ben Smith is a lot more valuable to an organization than a 3rd rounder in 2013. There is a lot of value in a player that is 'close'.

Bad reasoning thats like saying someone like say Matt Read who was undrafeted is not worth a second in return right now.

Just beacuse Saad was a second does not mean he cant command a second and third in different years back. Because hes a second who has hit and is playing like a first and who made the team out of camp and did alright up here.
- mvp0207

i dontcare when he was picked i would trade him for a know commodity in grossman

Doesn't really matter why he was a second round pick. Fact: he was a second round pick. If you could get Grossman for a second and a third, or just Saad (a second) then it sounds like the better bargain is trading just the second (Saad).
- Ogilthorpe2

Actually, where he was picked is irrelevant, what matters is we've seen Saad play and for a kid to break camp with the team is impressive to say the least. Now he could plateau or rocket to the top, you never know. If it is just Saad for Grossman and we have a good shot at a resign? I might tend towards that trade. I doubt that is all Dallas asked for though. Western conference foes and all. Still wouldn't mind prying Burish away with a pick and resigning him this offseason.

Bad reasoning thats like saying someone like say Matt Read who was undrafeted is not worth a second in return right now.

Just beacuse Saad was a second does not mean he cant command a second and third in different years back. Because hes a second who has hit and is playing like a first and who made the team out of camp and did alright up here.
- mvp0207

Exactly. There is a big difference between a 2nd round pick and a guy that was drafted in the second round.

Yes to both. Why not? Kubina plays in the East, and for a GM that should have at least a mildly positive relationship with Bowman(s). We have all of our picks and some mid tier prospects. I would think a guy like Ben Smith is a lot more valuable to an organization than a 3rd rounder in 2013. There is a lot of value in a player that is 'close'.
- nathanjf

I don't think Ben Smith holds all that much trade value at the moment. He hasn't looked exactly "right" since the concussion. And I'm sure teams have that figured out.

I don't think Ben Smith holds all that much trade value at the moment. He hasn't looked exactly "right" since the concussion. And I'm sure teams have that figured out.
- EKolb13

My example was more to illustrate that we can send an older prospect elsewhere, and that based on the age, and therefore preparedness to provide at the NHL level, that these prospects hold value.... especially over a 3rd round pick two years from now.

i dontcare when he was picked i would trade him for a know commodity in grossman
- molly2522

Then why not trade all our prospects for known commodities. Why doesnt any team simply sell off all their prospects for known commodities. You know why because you win cups by building a strong system through the draft not by trading your prospects for "known commodities".

Also Saad is a known commodity. Its known hes a top 25 junior player in all the world scoring almost 2 points a game with some really good size, great skating ability and good hands. Its not like Saad is living in a black hole.

I don't think Ben Smith holds all that much trade value at the moment. He hasn't looked exactly "right" since the concussion. And I'm sure teams have that figured out.
- EKolb13

An aside on Smith. He is a point a game guy in the AHL, which is positive, but I agree he seems to lack that something extra he brought in his short time here last season.

Just wondering who offered Toronto a 2nd rd. pick, a prospect for Grabovski? Man, I hope it was Stan!!

My example was more to illustrate that we can send an older prospect elsewhere, and that based on the age, and therefore preparedness to provide at the NHL level, that these prospects hold value.... especially over a 3rd round pick two years from now.
- nathanjf

If I'm Tampa, I'm taking a chance on a 3rd insted of an older prospect, whose marginal bottom 6 talent at best and is also "damaged goods" at the moment.