Call me crazy, but I would have done Saad for Grossman if I was reasonably sure of being able to re-sign him. Throw in a late pick and get Burish too.
- Ogilthorpe2

You're crazy.

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Hearing talk of Mike Ribeiro to Chicago.
- Anaarkey

That would be a salary dump by Dallas; Ribiero at $5M next year doubt it. How about Kari Letonnen instead?

Call me crazy, but I would have done Saad for Grossman if I was reasonably sure of being able to re-sign him. Throw in a late pick and get Burish too.
- Ogilthorpe2

That would sound like a fair deal to me.

That would sound like a fair deal to me.
- EKolb13

Really? Because he went for a second and a third in seperate years.

Call me crazy, but I would have done Saad for Grossman if I was reasonably sure of being able to re-sign him. Throw in a late pick and get Burish too.
- Ogilthorpe2

im with you if they could have signed him. a bird in the hand philosophy

Really? Because he went for a second and a third in seperate years.
- nathanjf

If Grossman resigns, and picking up Burish helps, then in my opinion, I'd think it is fair.

If you consider Saad as equal to the 2nd and 3rd he fetched, and a 6th or 7th for Burish, the math looks good to me.

why not overpay
do you not think this team is close?
the window for this core is now and hopefully a few more years but a could injuries could shorten players careers
- molly2522

The window is Kane and Toews's contracts. I think that window will peak from 2013 to 2015. I still think guys like Saad Mcneil Denault and Rensfedlt and the Hayes brothers could play a role by then.

Saad for Grossman to me would have been making a move for the sake of making a move and would have been bad for the Hawks.

Call me crazy, but I would have done Saad for Grossman if I was reasonably sure of being able to re-sign him. Throw in a late pick and get Burish too.
- Ogilthorpe2

Philly gave up the draft choices because they will resign him. They are doubtful on Pronger ever coming back and will let Carle go if he asks for too much.

Bowman probably could have done similar without moving Saad.

You're crazy.
- nathanjf

Ill say it also your crazy.

Philly gave up the draft choices because they will resign him. They are doubtful on Pronger ever coming back and will let Carle go if he asks for too much.

Bowman probably could have done similar without moving Saad.
- RickJ

Someone said it earlier, and I'd tend to agree with it. Dallas probably would have wanted more given that the Hawks and Stars are conference rivals.

That would be a salary dump by Dallas; Ribiero at $5M next year doubt it. How about Kari Letonnen instead?
- RickJ

Agreed. The salary wouldn't fit.

The window is Kane and Toews's contracts. I think that window will peak from 2013 to 2015. I still think guys like Saad Mcneil Denault and Rensfedlt and the Hayes brothers could play a role by then.

Saad for Grossman to me would have been making a move for the sake of making a move and would have been bad for the Hawks.
- mvp0207

so your saying you have no faith the hawks could contend for the cup this year
glad you were not tallon the year we won the cup because he did exactly that and went all in

If Grossman resigns, and picking up Burish helps, then in my opinion, I'd think it is fair.

If you consider Saad as equal to the 2nd and 3rd he fetched, and a 6th or 7th for Burish, the math looks good to me.
- EKolb13

Just my opinion, but Saad is worth more than a 2nd and a 3rd, who, for starters, won't be ready to consider for the big club for at least 1 and 2 seasons after Saad could be ready. And then, you have no idea what those picks will be, you don't always get the guy you like at the draft. Plus, you've already had a nice look at Saad, and you like him... Give up the picks and keep Saad. I mean, he was traded for picks...........

im with you if they could have signed him. a bird in the hand philosophy
- molly2522

Not really the same. Bird in hand philosophy implies there may or may not be two birds in the bush. Point is you dont know?

You know what you are trading with this move and its Saad a very highly touted prospect who can play a lot of different roles and whom made the team as a rookie.

Would Grossman really make a big differnece this year?

Someone said it earlier, and I'd tend to agree with it. Dallas probably would have wanted more given that the Hawks and Stars are conference rivals.
- EKolb13

Didn't understand that was the reason Saad was being mentioned. Still insane, but at least I understand it more. It's not as though Grossman is the only Dman available that can help the Hawks. No reason to blow your load on a UFA who's calibre can be attained elsewhere for less.

Not really the same. Bird in hand philosophy implies the may or may not be two birds in the bush. Point is you dont know?

You know what you are trading with this move and its Saad a very highly touted prospect who can play a lot of different roles and whom made the team as a rookie.

Would Grossman really make a big differnece this year?
- mvp0207

you failed to answer the question
so you dont or do believe the hawks with a few additions can compete for the cup?

you failed to answer the question
so you dont or do believe the hawks with a few additions can compete for the cup?
- molly2522

So, you hate America?
lol, he never said that he didn't think the Hawks can compete for the Cup. Just that Grossman himself isn't going to be the make it or break it for this team. If there is such a factor, it probably lies between the pipes.

The Flyers had a couple extra picks in their pockets which they used for Grossman. The Stars 2nd round in this years draft and The Kings 3rd round pick in next years draft. BTW the Hawks don't have any extra picks....

so your saying you have no faith the hawks could contend for the cup this year
glad you were not tallon the year we won the cup because he did exactly that and went all in
- molly2522

whaaaaaattttt? Molly are you drinking the Kool Aid

All in with what? They pretty much stood pat with there roster that year with some people saying we needed to trade for a goalie, that niemi and Huet were not going to cut it, everyone was crying for Vokun. There were Buff rumors running rampant. But the year we won the cup we made very minor moves at the deadline.

Just my opinion, but Saad is worth more than a 2nd and a 3rd, who, for starters, won't be ready to consider for the big club for at least 1 and 2 seasons after Saad could be ready. And then, you have no idea what those picks will be, you don't always get the guy you like at the draft. Plus, you've already had a nice look at Saad, and you like him... Give up the picks and keep Saad. I mean, he was traded for picks...........
- nathanjf

He was traded to Philly for picks, but Dallas reportedly wanted Saad from Chicago. If they would have offered him to Chicago for just the picks, i'd lie to think Stan would've been smart enough to pull the trigger.

Just my opinion, but Saad is worth more than a 2nd and a 3rd, who, for starters, won't be ready to consider for the big club for at least 1 and 2 seasons after Saad could be ready. And then, you have no idea what those picks will be, you don't always get the guy you like at the draft. Plus, you've already had a nice look at Saad, and you like him... Give up the picks and keep Saad. I mean, he was traded for picks...........
- nathanjf

If Saad is so great, why did he slip to the second round?

Given, he broke camp with the Hawks and played 2 games in the NHL. That doesn't mean that he's also destined for stardom, either. Perhaps he is, who knows?

If you're flipping Saad, and not picks, in the trade that was suggested, and getting Grossman back in return and re-signed, you're getting a young solid defensive defenseman for a could be 2nd or 3rd line power forward.

So, you hate America?
lol, he never said that he didn't think the Hawks can compete for the Cup. Just that Grossman himself isn't going to be the make it or break it for this team. If there is such a factor, it probably lies between the pipes.
- nathanjf

hey knucklehead leave the name calling out of your punk replies

whaaaaaattttt? Molly are you drinking the Kool Aid

All in with what? They pretty much stood pat with there roster that year with some people saying we needed to trade for a goalie, that niemi and Huet were not going to cut it, everyone was crying for Vokun. There were Buff rumors running rampant. But the year we won the cup we made very minor moves at the deadline.
- mvp0207

Barker for Leddy and Johanson. Neither one of them played in the playoffs for the cup team. So, in effect, he subtracted from the team at the deadline.

you failed to answer the question
so you dont or do believe the hawks with a few additions can compete for the cup?
- molly2522

Yes if they make the play-offs anything could happen look to the Giants and The Cardinals just this year. But that does not mean selling off your future for minor role players.

Not really the same. Bird in hand philosophy implies the may or may not be two birds in the bush. Point is you dont know?

You know what you are trading with this move and its Saad a very highly touted prospect who can play a lot of different roles and whom made the team as a rookie.

Would Grossman really make a big differnece this year?
- mvp0207

If you believe a solid #4 D-man with size who can also skate would help this team (I do), then yes...he would help a lot.