Hes 22 Kane is 23 Kane does not have potential hes already a top ten scorer. Myers has a GREAT rookie year a pretty good second year and is having a below average third year.

But thats just my opinion I can see why you like him so much.
- mvp0207

I think that is what the Chicago fans are missing. You have to see this kid play every night. I'd kill to have Kane on my team and I'd trade anyone else on the roster for him. Myers is a future captain and is already a #1 D. As others have said, the mere fact that he is a #1 D expands his value. It isn't just about what Myers will be, it is what he already is.

I think Chicago would be foolish to trade him for Miller. If you want to talk about someone who made a career out of one year, he is the guy.

Here's the problem with the whole you need "both types of players" argument.

Look no further than the 2011-12 Chicago Blackhawks. Finesse players and slugs.

Very few all around players who play well with—and without— the puck. Now you'll default to, "look at the 2009-10 team."

But what you fail to appreciate is that guys like Byfuglien, Brouwer, Ladd (and more) were ALL good WITHOUT the puck as well as relatively to very good with it.

Look at the Boston Bruins. How many soft players do they have? Damn few, if any.

Look at Detroit, their finesse players are all also tough as nails: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, even Fillipula.

There is no mystery here. Only people who want to hold on to the argument that points by themselves make a great player. And those types of players make a great team.

They don't.
- John Jaeckel

He can hit of course, but I wouldn't say he is a good player away from the puck. Below-average defensively in my opinion. Also lacks committment.

I see no logical connection between the first statement and the second.

Whether you like it or not, the best players in the game play well with and without the puck. Those are the real straws that stir the drink. One dimensional guys are better the more of the other kind they have around them.
- John Jaeckel

Thats obvious

Kane+Bolland for Miller+Roy+Leopold
- HotSauceBlueChs

What are you on man ??? Miller is worth more than Kane everyday in the NHL. So that leaves Roy (who is a 25/40=65 guy) and Leopold for Bolland ? NO THANKS .

You really have no idea on this player.
- RickJ

So watching him play live twice this year and on TV 10+ is not enough to establish my opinion? Buffalo does not have what we need. We need to go to real eastern conf. teams that want to equal the production of Kane. If stan gets rid of him to bring us Tyler Myers... I think you need to take that #57 jersey off and splash some water on your face.

Eh, Hossa has 5 goals since December first... How come he isn't on the block?

Toews has done zip this month, if he's hurt he shouldn't be playing...

Bolland has 3 points over the losing streak (though quietly scored 16 goals)...

Sharp, Hossa, Toews and Kane are paid to produce points and not do anything too terribly stupid defensively. That = points produced on the stat sheet. If that isn't happening either they are extremely unlucky or someone isn't doing their job. For those 4 players point production is the bottom line.

Anything those 4 players do above scoring and setting up goals is a bonus. PPG players are not a common thing in today's NHL and should not be dismissed lightly... Especially young, consistently healthy, high ceiling players who continue to show improvement on areas of weakness...

Every guy on the team has a different role. Some guys are playmakers, some are goal scores, some fight, some just play solid-d. A team needs all of them. The hawks do lack tough guys and a solid d-man.

Kane is the one of the best passers in the game. Toews, Sharp etc. cant score if no one gets the puck to them. Savy was not an overly physical guy either. But he was on a line with Larmer and Secord, with all three bringing different strengths, and together theses guys had success.

Kane is haveing a down year. So what. He will still put up 100 points at least once before he is thirty. Trading him would be a mistake. Even for Nash. Don't forget there was talk before the season. about carter not fitting in well with Nash b/c both guys are scores.

Since the Hawks play the Rangers today, lets compare them. The hawks need a Girardi like dman. The Rangers still cant score that much. The rangers would love to get guy like kane to feed gaborik and richards all day. The point is you need you all types of guys for a team to win. (The rangers won't win the cup unless they can find some more scoring)

With all this being said, it doesn't matter what Kane's 'true' value is. Hes not going anywhere via trade. Lets move on to something more realistic

What are you on man ??? Miller is worth more than Kane everyday in the NHL. So that leaves Roy (who is a 25/40=65 guy) and Leopold for Bolland ? NO THANKS .
- Cometman

I love when fans from perspective teams discuss trade scenarios. Now you know why its hard to get deals done.

Well I think they tried that this year with Carcillo, Myers, maybe they thought Bickel.

I still stand to reason the team will peak again when Kane and Toews are in the last 2 years of their deals. They are drafting bigger bodies now that have an element of skill to their game that sould be ready in a couple years.

I think guys like Mcneil, Saad, Jimmy Hayes, Morin, we've seen Shaw, Renfeldt, even hustlers like Danult could in a couple years give this team the size, tenacity PLUS skill they lost in Ladd, Buff and Brouwer type players.

At least thats where I think they are buliding towards.
- mvp0207

They need to play on his line. Mayers was signed as a 4th liner. Carcillo as a 4th liner. That being said. Kane looked pretty good when he was up there. And Bickell... ? Let's leave him out of this..

With all this being said, it doesn't matter what Kane's 'true' value is. Hes not going anywhere via trade. Lets move on to something more realistic
- wkol2593

This

Nope I like all terrain players better also. But Henrik Sedin was the MVP the year before and hes a perimeter playmaker. So I dont discount nor say a team or the game cant have perimeter playmakers and win trophys as well as cups.
- mvp0207

Now I'm confused. Which one is it? This is never going to end

No wife, no policy.
- John Jaeckel

Sorry, what do you call him .... Life Partner?

I have center ice and watched maybe 5 - 10 buffalo games in the last two. I know Myers is one heck of a dman. But he has 13 points this year. Thats not a number 1 d man. He might get better and I'll even say he will get better. Im not saying hes a bad player at all. But for me Kane is too much for a dman with potential.

How many Dmen have been highly touted prospects or had good early careers only to fall off into oblivion. Im not saying Myers will do this but it looks as though his numbers are going down and it COULD happen. From what Ive seen hes not OVERLY physical for his size. Hes more of a skater and stick checker.

Kane is who Kane is 75-95 points for the next 8 years. Maybe flirting with triple digits. Hes not going to take a step back at this point.

But hey thats why opinions are free right I understand others points of view.

So watching him play live twice this year and on TV 10+ is not enough to establish my opinion? Buffalo does not have what we need. We need to go to real eastern conf. teams that want to equal the production of Kane. If stan gets rid of him to bring us Tyler Myers... I think you need to take that #57 jersey off and splash some water on your face.
- nickmo2699

I admire your love for Pat Kane. I just don't feel it the way you do. And the Hawks could sure use #88 to pot a couple tonight and get his goal production total up to 14. If he does I will splash water on my face and applaud him.

And don't worry about Stan bringing in Myers because Buffalo won't do the deal straight up. And it might surprise you how many other GM's would not be willing to give up as much for Kane as you think he is worth.

Eh, Hossa has 5 goals since December first... How come he isn't on the block?
Toews has done zip this month, if he's hurt he shouldn't be playing...

Bolland has 3 points over the losing streak (though quietly scored 16 goals)...

Sharp, Hossa, Toews and Kane are paid to produce points and not do anything too terribly stupid defensively. That = points produced on the stat sheet. If that isn't happening either they are extremely unlucky or someone isn't doing their job. For those 4 players point production is the bottom line.

Anything those 4 players do above scoring and setting up goals is a bonus. PPG players are not a common thing in today's NHL and should not be dismissed lightly... Especially young, consistently healthy, high ceiling players who continue to show improvement on areas of weakness...
- fattybeef

Have you watched Hossa play? He is a beast. He might not be on the board every day, but his defense is superb... He plays on PK! Comparing Hossa and Kane, the only thing going in favor of Kane is his age (and marketability - if you work for owner's pocket).

Now I'm confused. Which one is it? This is never going to end
- bhammer-89

Im saying a team COULD HAVE A perimeter player on it and still win.

Of course you NEED all terain guys otherwise you dont have a shot. And I'd say Id want an all teraain guy more then a perimeter guy. But that doesnt mean I discount a perimeter player. If I were starting a team Id take Crosby over Henrik but they are both really good players. Im saying you cant discount one and say "we have one soft player on the the team who scores 80 points theres no way we can win with that."

I admire your love for Pat Kane. I just don't feel it the way you do. And the Hawks could sure use #88 to pot a couple tonight and get his goal production total up to 14. If he does I will splash water on my face and applaud him.

And don't worry about Stan bringing in Myers because Buffalo won't do the deal straight up. And it might surprise you how many other GM's would not be willing to give up as much for Kane as you think he is worth.
- RickJ

Kane is highly marketable in Buffalo... Having him in Sabres hersey means money for Sabres owner... of all owner, he would be pulling the trigger to get Kane first...

I admire your love for Pat Kane. I just don't feel it the way you do. And the Hawks could sure use #88 to pot a couple tonight and get his goal production total up to 14. If he does I will splash water on my face and applaud him.

And don't worry about Stan bringing in Myers because Buffalo won't do the deal straight up. And it might surprise you how many other GM's would not be willing to give up as much for Kane as you think he is worth.
- RickJ

Thats pure opinion my opinion differs. Just because a bunch of buffalo fans are in here saying they wont does not mean a GM wont. I still say Buff makes the deal if presented. We all should be well aware of how different GMS and fans think of their teams.

I admire your love for Pat Kane. I just don't feel it the way you do. And the Hawks could sure use #88 to pot a couple tonight and get his goal production total up to 14. If he does I will splash water on my face and applaud him.

And don't worry about Stan bringing in Myers because Buffalo won't do the deal straight up. And it might surprise you how many other GM's would not be willing to give up as much for Kane as you think he is worth.
- RickJ

I dont love Patrick Kane but I dont let my own judgement cloud his worth to the tem and organization. Thats all Im saying. I think we need to discuss moving Leddy bc he will bring brack what we need now.

Sorry, what do you call him .... Life Partner?
- scoot174

totally uncalled for. Go take your insensitive, childish humor somewhere else, PAL.

Just another topic to put in the memory banks and in five years try and remember and see where their respective careers are. Myers and Kanes that is.

I guarantee this...... one of us will be right

I dont love Patrick Kane but I dont let my own judgement cloud his worth to the tem and organization. Thats all Im saying. I think we need to discuss moving Leddy bc he will bring brack what we need now.
- nickmo2699

And what would that be?

Have you watched Hossa play? He is a beast. He might not be on the board every day, but his defense is superb... He plays on PK! Comparing Hossa and Kane, the only thing going in favor of Kane is his age (and marketability - if you work for owner's pocket).
- Nerko77

Hossas awesome one of the best players in the league but he deserves some blame for this current losing streak. Thats why we are losing none of our best players are being our best players. No need to trade kane for another dman. The big names simply need to start being big names. NONE of them are

And what would that be?
- RickJ

Tyler Myers

Settle down Buffalo fans. Just humor.

Tyler Myers

Settle down Buffalo fans. Just humor.
- mvp0207

That's very funny!

The Sabre fans will barf up their chicken wings if they hear Meyers was traded for Leddy.