Nobody is bagging on Kane. Myers is now back to playing over 25 minutes a game. It really is something to see him pinch in deep and then beat everyone back down the ice. He did slump a bit at times but what 19 or 20 year old doesn't? Don't forget that this kid didn't start playing hockey until age 11. The sky is the limit but he is their #1 D now (by a mile).

Besides, the Sabres problem is too many wingers and no centers.
- Slump Buster

Hes 22 Kane is 23 Kane does not have potential hes already a top ten scorer. Myers has a GREAT rookie year a pretty good second year and is having a below average third year.

But thats just my opinion I can see why you like him so much.

Getting Tyler Myers and Tyler Ennis for Kane would be a move to make. But if Tyler Myers is the focal point of what were getting back, were making a huge mistake. He makes poor decisions with the puck and is soft as well. Why are we even discussing making moves with Buffalo that dont involve Pominville or Vanek? They have nothing to offer us. Keep Kane, move Sharp to Buffalo for Pominville and Gragniani.
- nickmo2699

I agree and am curious why the trade talk isn't involve Sharp, Stalberg and Leddy more... If there is a 6 mil dollar player I want to deal, it's Sharp. But with our cap again... we can get what we need with other players IMO.

Nobody is bagging on Kane. Myers is now back to playing over 25 minutes a game. It really is something to see him pinch in deep and then beat everyone back down the ice. He did slump a bit at times but what 19 or 20 year old doesn't? Don't forget that this kid didn't start playing hockey until age 11. The sky is the limit but he is their #1 D now (by a mile).

Besides, the Sabres problem is too many wingers and no centers.
- Slump Buster

Thanks for explaining this. And the only player on the Sabres I trade Kane for is Myers so its end of story. The kid is going to be as good or better than Seabrook. Defenceman take time, be patient.

But just think of how many of Mama Pecoraro's cookbooks and used cars Pat Kane could sell in Buffalo and Grand Island. If you had John McDonough for Team President that weigh heavily on getting a deal done.

You are right. It is needed on the PP. The hawks just don't have net presence or a shot from the point. And the PP is so much more important in today's NHL. Good PP + decent PK + even 5 on 5 = Top 5 team in league IMO.
- finyards

Thank you! Check Please!!!!!

Alright you obviously dont read my posts because I listed a number of players I'd trade him for BY NAME and also stated over and over and over how he is tradeable. All I said is Myers for Him straight up is crazy for me.

Permieter players have a place in the game.
- mvp0207

Not as much on legitimate Stanley Cup contenders. Watch some playoff hockey (year after year) and tell me how important perimeter play is. Not so much, and not as much as it is in the regular season.

If there is a reason... this is why Sabres would actually do this deal. He is a money maker.
- ilinkhawk

Yes, big time! Especially in Buffalo market / his backyard!!

Here in Chicago, I am actually getting tired off Tazer/Kane Chevy and Lemonhead commercials...

Here's the problem with the whole you need "both types of players" argument.

Look no further than the 2011-12 Chicago Blackhawks. Finesse players and slugs.

Very few all around players who play well with—and without— the puck. Now you'll default to, "look at the 2009-10 team."

But what you fail to appreciate is that guys like Byfuglien, Brouwer, Ladd (and more) were ALL good WITHOUT the puck as well as relatively to very good with it.

Look at the Boston Bruins. How many soft players do they have? Damn few, if any.

Look at Detroit, their finesse players are all also tough as nails: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, even Fillipula.

There is no mystery here. Only people who want to hold on to the argument that points by themselves make a great player. And those types of players make a great team.

They don't.
- John Jaeckel

But they won a cup a couple years ago with one of the better teams the league has seen in a while and had a younger more immature version of the same player. So you could win cups with perimeter players who play important roles.

Not as much on legitimate Stanley Cup contenders. Watch some playoff hockey (year after year) and tell me how important perimeter play is. Not so much, and not as much as it is in the regular season.
- John Jaeckel

Id beg to speculate almost every team has at least one especially in the modern game. Krejci is a soft perimeter player for Boston right now. Hudler is a soft perimeter player.

Kane is better the more all terrain players he has around him and throughout the roster. Like in 09 and 10. Without them . . . 2011-12.

Getting Tyler Myers and Tyler Ennis for Kane would be a move to make. But if Tyler Myers is the focal point of what were getting back, were making a huge mistake. He makes poor decisions with the puck and is soft as well. Why are we even discussing making moves with Buffalo that dont involve Pominville or Vanek? They have nothing to offer us. Keep Kane, move Sharp to Buffalo for Pominville and Gragniani.
- nickmo2699

You really have no idea on this player.

Id beg to speculate almost every team has at least one. Krejci is a soft perimeter player for Boston right now. Hudler is a soft perimeter player.
- mvp0207

Can't comment as much on Krejci though I believe he is a bit more physical than Kane. Hudler makes less than half what Kane does and is a third liner.

But hey won a cup a couple years ago with one of the better teams the league has seen in a while and had a younger more immature version of the same player. So you could win cups with perimeter players who play important roles.
- mvp0207

I think it's much more difficult for Kane to be successful playing with a bunch of other... soft skill players. Toews / Sharp/ Kane got crushed by the Canucks in the playoffs last year. Same with Stalberg / Kane / Toews. Toews / Kane / Buff dominated the year before. Against the same team. Kane is amazing and really helps this team when we put the right role players around him. He is greatly neutralized when we don't. And this is moreso for playoffs IMO. Right now he is in a funk like the rest of the team.

Yes, big time! Especially in Buffalo market / his backyard!!

Here in Chicago, I am actually getting tired off Tazer/Kane Chevy and Lemonhead commercials...
- Nerko77

The size of the media market actually means he makes a lot more dough in Chicago than Buffalo, FWIW. I'm sure for that reason his agent, Pat Brisson (also Toews' agent) wants Kane in CHicago or NYC or LA or Toronto.

And I'm sure Kane would bolt for Buffalo in a New York (pardon the pun) minute if given the opportunity regardless.

stalberg in my opinion has the most upside
if he is moved and gets proper coaching and not punished every time he makes a mistake stalberg has the potential to be a 30 plus goal scorer
he is also developing his physical play and could be a force to deal with
the guy is big and fast and when he hits someone they know it
- molly2522

I would not be looking to move Stalberg for all of the reasons you mention. But there is a price tag on everything.

Can't comment as much on Krejci though I believe he is a bit more physical than Kane. Hudler makes less than half what Kane does and is a third liner.
- John Jaeckel

Understood but Kane is one of the BETTER perimeter players just like there are power forwards who make 2 million and power forwards who make 7 mil. Depends on their skill.

Kane is better the more all terrain players he has around him and throughout the roster. Like in 09 and 10. Without them . . . 2011-12.
- John Jaeckel

Exactly....

But when he has the all terrains around him, he's amazing. Why is it so hard to figure that out for SB?

Kane is better the more all terrain players he has around him and throughout the roster. Like in 09 and 10. Without them . . . 2011-12.
- John Jaeckel

Agreed

But they won a cup a couple years ago with one of the better teams the league has seen in a while and had a younger more immature version of the same player. So you could win cups with perimeter players who play important roles.
- mvp0207

I see no logical connection between the first statement and the second.

Whether you like it or not, the best players in the game play well with and without the puck. Those are the real straws that stir the drink. One dimensional guys are better the more of the other kind they have around them.

Except yesterday when no one from Nashville even approached our players with Scott in the lineup.
- anawrocki

No.
What you saw was Scott skating around between the circles like he was lost. It wasn't that Nashville was steering clear of him, he has to float to make it all the way back to misplay a defensive rebound, and then miss a check.
The only thing about Scott that is scary is having him dressed and in the lineup instead of someone that, y'know, plays hockey for a living.

Understood but Kane is one of the BETTER perimeter players just like theer are power forwards who make 2 million and power forwards who make 7 mil. Depends on their skill.
- mvp0207

Great all-terrain players have more value than great perimeter players.

It's a physical sport. Corey Perry=2011 MVP.

Are you going to try to debate this and/or come up with some other Kane propping slant?

Let it go.

Exactly....

But when he has the all terrains around him, he's amazing. Why is it so hard to figure that out for SB?
- ilinkhawk

Well I think they tried that this year with Carcillo, Myers, maybe they thought Bickel.

I still stand to reason the team will peak again when Kane and Toews are in the last 2 years of their deals. They are drafting bigger bodies now that have an element of skill to their game that sould be ready in a couple years.

I think guys like Mcneil, Saad, Jimmy Hayes, Morin, we've seen Shaw, Renfeldt, even hustlers like Danult could in a couple years give this team the size, tenacity PLUS skill they lost in Ladd, Buff and Brouwer type players.

At least thats where I think they are buliding towards.

quick trivia: when was the last time the Blackhawks won at MSG?

Can't comment as much on Krejci though I believe he is a bit more physical than Kane. Hudler makes less than half what Kane does and is a third liner.
- John Jaeckel

You already addressed this well enough I thought--so what if Krejci is "soft" on a team that is far from soft? The Bruins are tough as nails to play against in general. The Wings are tough in their own way too. The debate here seems to be about who--of the Blackhawks so-called core--should be traded. Kane comes up because he seems to be the one who could fetch the most, while also being fairly soft on a soft team. Kane on the Cup-winning team was still pretty soft, but the team in general wasn't.

Great all-terrain players have more value than great perimeter players.

It's a physical sport. Corey Perry=2011 MVP.

Are you going to try to debate this and/or come up with some other Kane propping slant?

Let it go.
- John Jaeckel

Nope I like all terrain players better also. But Henrik Sedin was the MVP the year before and hes a perimeter playmaker. So I dont discount nor say a team or the game cant have perimeter playmakers and win trophys as well as cups.

quick trivia: when was the last time the Blackhawks won at MSG?
- IndianHead10

Probably when Eric Daze was playing