so...I haven't really been following HB since yesterday when Ek proclaimed Nash to LA a done deal. What happened?

so...I haven't really been following HB since yesterday when Ek proclaimed Nash to LA a done deal. What happened?
- Dkos

Seems his source was wrong...or drunk.

The deal he posted made zero sense. My guess is somebody was pulling hid chain.

hartnell g nash

i love nash, but in all reality people......we need a #1d man either at the deadline or this summer, and theres no way we can afford to get both unless briere and timmo vanish

Seems his source was wrong...or drunk.

The deal he posted made zero sense. My guess is somebody was pulling hid chain.
- Jsaquella

So now the romour is that he's coming to the Flyers?

i love nash, but in all reality people......we need a #1d man either at the deadline or this summer, and theres no way we can afford to get both unless briere and timmo vanish
- mydoglicks

Yeah, I see no reason why we need to supplement our Offense. We can score, it's the defense where we need the help.

I think he brings more of a physical edge and powerplay prowess, so it might be worth considering. Assuming Carle's value is 5mil, I think Suter's value in the open market is somewhere ridiculous at 7-7.5mil and I would have to agree with you that he is not worth that kind of money.
- flyers20032002

Suter is not a physical defenseman. In terms of physicality, Suter and Carle are very comparable. So if you think that your getting a bruiser on the back line, you'll be disappointed in Suter.

Yeah, I see no reason why we need to supplement our Offense. We can score, it's the defense where we need the help.
- Hextall271

plus is almost 8 million cap hit for eternity, very unmanagable...i hope the rangers gut there team for him, there gread will be there demise

not many contenter teams will be able to fit him under the cap

My main beef with comment was Gaborik..... dont tell me Gabby is good defensively.. can he carry a team im not to sure will see this year in the playoffs
- Slammed81

Gabby is a plus 94 over his career.

Nash is a minus 74 over his career.

I always thought Gaborik was weak defensively too until he became a Ranger and I watched him every game and as a season ticket holder I get to isolate him at home and watch what he does. He is good defensively.

has nashs short list of teams been revealed?

So now the romour is that he's coming to the Flyers?
- Dkos

Nope. The rumor is that his list of teams he'd agree to go to has the Flyers on it.

Gabby is a plus 94 over his career.

Nash is a minus 74 over his career.

I always thought Gaborik was weak defensively too until he became a Ranger and I watched him every game and as a season ticket holder I get to isolate him at home and watch what he does. He is good defensively.
- Downeaster

I would say that Gaborik is responsible defensively. And he has to be, to play for Tortorella. Because he demands it. Nash has played on a team that for most of his career has been both poor offensively, and poor defensively. That is not a good combination for a players +/-

Gabby is a plus 94 over his career.

Nash is a minus 74 over his career.

I always thought Gaborik was weak defensively too until he became a Ranger and I watched him every game and as a season ticket holder I get to isolate him at home and watch what he does. He is good defensively.
- Downeaster

Gaborik played most of his career for a very defensively responsible Minnesota team. Nash has played his entire career in Columbus.

Mike Green is a +58. Is he good defensively? +/- is a highly subjective stat that has a lot more to do with the team a guy plays on than his own play.

Suter is not a physical defenseman. In terms of physicality, Suter and Carle are very comparable. So if you think that your getting a bruiser on the back line, you'll be disappointed in Suter.
- MJL

Suter is much more Eric Dejardins than Chris Pronger. I think he is better than Carle. But this perception of Suter that people have is not accurate. He is not a bruiser type d-man. He is an all around, steady, plug him in and forget about him type defenseman like Rico was in his prime. Very good positionally, good in his own end, good in the offensive end. Plays in all situations.

However, I think some over rate him as much as some people under rate Carle. Carle gets ripped in here constantly and I find it ridiculous.

Suter is better. But not 2 million better.

Here is a summation of the Carle argument.

Hater: Carle Sucks
Defender: Why?
Hater: Because he does.
Defender: OK then.

Carle is what he is. A solid overall defenseman who can be a good complimentary part of a top pair. Or the anchor of a second pair.

The fact that he has played very well all season basically paired with the rookie of the day tells me all I need to know about him.

Now, cue the "I said Carle would win the Norris Trophy" full retard rebuttals.

Nope. The rumor is that his list of teams he'd agree to go to has the Flyers on it.
- Jsaquella

well we have 5 mil in space so i guess its doable, we need to lose 3 mil which isnt hard...shellys 1 mil to start

Seems his source was wrong...or drunk.

The deal he posted made zero sense. My guess is somebody was pulling hid chain.
- Jsaquella

The media is just bored

plus is almost 8 million cap hit for eternity, very unmanagable...i hope the rangers gut there team for him, there gread will be there demise

not many contenter teams will be able to fit him under the cap
- mydoglicks

Personally, I really hope the Rangers start to face some sort of adversity. They haven't had any key injuries or the like. Also, they are clearly peaking now.. I don't see them rolling right on through to the cup like this.

Personally, I really hope the Rangers start to face some sort of adversity. They haven't had any key injuries or the like. Also, they are clearly peaking now.. I don't see them rolling right on through to the cup like this.
- Hextall271

How many #1 seeds have won the Cup recently? It's not about what you've done from October-March, but where you are physically in April.

how much would you pay for a young kimmo? that's what suter is worth because they have comparable games. I think he's worth ~ 6-6.5 MM per over the course of a 5-7 yr deal.

Suter is much more Eric Dejardins than Chris Pronger. I think he is better than Carle. But this perception of Suter that people have is not accurate. He is not a bruiser type d-man. He is an all around, steady, plug him in and forget about him type defenseman like Rico was in his prime. Very good positionally, good in his own end, good in the offensive end. Plays in all situations.

However, I think some over rate him as much as some people under rate Carle. Carle gets ripped in here constantly and I find it ridiculous.

Suter is better. But not 2 million better.

Here is a summation of the Carle argument.

Hater: Carle Sucks
Defender: Why?
Hater: Because he does.
Defender: OK then.

Carle is what he is. A solid overall defenseman who can be a good complimentary part of a top pair. Or the anchor of a second pair.

The fact that he has played very well all season basically paired with the rookie of the day tells me all I need to know about him.

Now, cue the "I said Carle would win the Norris Trophy" full retard rebuttals.
- MBFlyerfan

Good post! There are a couple of areas where Suter is an upgrade over Carle. One is as a goal scorer. Suter has a better shot and a better ability to score goals. He is also is a better PP producer then Carle. And with the current Flyers team racking up far more PP opportunities then any team in the League, adding a true PP Qb will help in making the PP more deadly. In all other areas of the game, Suter and Carle are comparable.
The question then really is are you comfortable paying top money to a defenseman who doesn't bring a physical or true shutdown game to the ice. He's very good defensively, but not a dominating defenseman such as Chara in his own end that just physically swallows people. But your going to have to pay him like he is. Or do a long term deal with low years on the back end to lower the AAV to a reasonable rate.

how much would you pay for a young kimmo? that's what suter is worth because they have comparable games. I think he's worth ~ 6-6.5 MM per over the course of a 5-7 yr deal.
- isaiah520

If that is true then he's worth more then 6-6.5 M a year. Timonen got that and he signed his deal how many years ago? Salaries escalate.

Personally, I really hope the Rangers start to face some sort of adversity. They haven't had any key injuries or the like. Also, they are clearly peaking now.. I don't see them rolling right on through to the cup like this.
- Hextall271

i hope your right, i still dont think they beat boston or det in a series

Personally, I really hope the Rangers start to face some sort of adversity. They haven't had any key injuries or the like. Also, they are clearly peaking now.. I don't see them rolling right on through to the cup like this.
- Hextall271

They were without Staal for the first 3 months of the season. That was a key injury.

Suter is not a physical defenseman. In terms of physicality, Suter and Carle are very comparable. So if you think that your getting a bruiser on the back line, you'll be disappointed in Suter.
- MJL

I said he brings more of a physical edge than Carle...I wasn't comparing his physicality to that of Pronger/Weber...read what I wrote lol.

I said he brings more of a physical edge than Carle...I wasn't comparing his physicality to that of Pronger/Weber...read what I wrote lol.
- flyers20032002

I did read what you wrote. He doesn't bring more of a physical edge then Carle does. Not at all. They are very similar players as far as a physical edge is concerned.