ya thats why one is a plus 8 and tho other is even. one guy has 17 points the other 4, one is 22 the other is 30. one player wont get a bag of practice pucks and the other can get a top 6 player. stop just stop.
- leafsdc

If Burke could have gotten a top 6 forward for Schenn............ Schenn would be wearing a different jersey these days

stop just stop already with the Schenn love affair

The newbie is agressive...Chill out a little..
- bixll

is it wrong?

so your saying army can provide ,

1- blocking shots
2- being a physical player
3- keeping the team upbeat on the ice

so which on of those cant boyce do, boyce also brings a ton of speed to the first 2 elements as well.
- leafsdc

4- Have a whole nose.

Except the last CBA had one.

And a buyout helps the poor as well as the rich.

A small-market team would rather pay a financial penalty and get rid of a mistake, than continue to have that mistake affect their playoff drive.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't claim to know the details of the CBA, but doubt that the next CBA will have a no-fault buyout clause..JMO

so your saying army can provide ,

1- blocking shots
2- being a physical player
3- keeping the team upbeat on the ice

so which on of those cant boyce do, boyce also brings a ton of speed to the first 2 elements as well.
- leafsdc

ok.. this is to be taken as if army was on his game

he's far more physical, he cycles down low WAY better, as a higher offensive upside, and can agitate the opposition til they are off their game, not to mention he's a more experienced and far better on ice leader.

problem is right now.. he's still recovering from massive amounts of time off in the last two years... so truth is.. he isnt on his game

If Burke could have gotten a top 6 forward for Schenn............ Schenn would be wearing a different jersey these days

stop just stop already with the Schenn love affair
- faceto27

i dont love him, but ill take him anyday over komi. so would 99 percent of leafs fans and all 30 nhl gm's.

I cant believe how everybody is so sold on shipping Schenn out of town. He has shown he can shutdown the best of them and is having a bad year.

I think his issue is footspeed. He needs to drop some bulk to regain some speed to keep up.
- markmark

Only to Leafs fans.

lotta lists today.

ok.. this is to be taken as if army was on his game

he's far more physical, he cycles down low WAY better, as a higher offensive upside, and can agitate the opposition til they are off their game, not to mention he's a more experienced and far better on ice leader.

problem is right now.. he's still recovering from massive amounts of time off in the last two years... so truth is.. he isnt on his game
- Dozzer

fair points. im out tho for the night off to work...

Not top line forwards with size, they don't.

Name a single prospect the Leafs have that anyone not drinking blue Kool-aid thinks will become a top line forward or top pairing D.

We don't have it.

Kadri, Franson and Frattin isn't going to get you a 1st line forward.

Sorry, it just isn't going to get it done.
- Atomic Wedgie

and more devil's advocate (pun alert!)


just sayin
Remember what Kovalchuk was traded for? peanuts

Jesse Blacker

but don't go telling anyone... we needs ta keep that one.

(and honestly I think he's a #3, ...)
- Big_Lightnin

Yup. Not sure about the rest, but i like the way the kid plays.

fair points. im out tho for the night off to work...
- leafsdc

cheers man, have a good one

good debate.. nice when its kept civil

You don't think packaging some of the young guys like Franson/Gardiner/Colborne/Kadri/1st won't get you some good packages out there?
- Brian Huddle

Actually, no I don't.

I don't think those guys will get them a good #1 goalie or a good #1 center.

If you have to trade like 4 or 5 assets to get ONE of a goalie or center, it is counterproductive.

All we can do is wait, and hope that they draft well and somehow, some marlies like Scrivens/Rynnas and Colborne develop well.

I cant believe how everybody is so sold on shipping Schenn out of town. He has shown he can shutdown the best of them and is having a bad year.

I think his issue is footspeed. He needs to drop some bulk to regain some speed to keep up.
- markmark

I agree, it's probably that 40 lbs of muscle he put on in the off season.

If Burke could have gotten a top 6 forward for Schenn............ Schenn would be wearing a different jersey these days

stop just stop already with the Schenn love affair
- faceto27

Maybe if the top 6 forward is an accomplished 22 year old prospect. Your analysis of Schenn is way off, not sure what you have against him but you should move on to somebody else.

and more devil's advocate (pun alert!)


just sayin
Remember what Kovalchuk was traded for? peanuts
- Big_Lightnin

Hossa went for Colby, Erik Christenson, Angelo Esposito and a 1st.

The package for Brad Richards to Dallas was centered around Mike Smith.

Forsberg to Nashville? Upshall, Parent, 1st.

and more devil's advocate (pun alert!)


just sayin
Remember what Kovalchuk was traded for? peanuts
- Big_Lightnin

Johnny Oduya, Niclas Bergfors, Patrice Cormier, 1st.

and more devil's advocate (pun alert!)


just sayin
Remember what Kovalchuk was traded for? peanuts
- Big_Lightnin

And what Thornton was traded for.

Yeah, I know it happens. Sometimes. When you wish upon a star.

P.S. Kovalchuk was a bit different - the end of his contract and lack of hope of getting his name on a new one was what drove those negotiations...

If Burke could have gotten a top 6 forward for Schenn............ Schenn would be wearing a different jersey these days

stop just stop already with the Schenn love affair
- faceto27

you're really out there.

Could he get a top 3 player for Schenn? No.

But top 6? ya, pretty easily. Burkie's not trading Schenn for a 2nd liner unless it's Patrick Sharp (or something like that).

Actually, no I don't.

I don't think those guys will get them a good #1 goalie or a good #1 center.

If you have to trade like 4 or 5 assets to get ONE of a goalie or center, it is counterproductive.

All we can do is wait, and hope that they draft well and somehow, some marlies like Scrivens/Rynnas and Colborne develop well.
- GoneFullRetard

Plugging depth is easier than pluggin a hole at 1C, IMO.

Johnny Oduya, Niclas Bergfors, Patrice Cormier, 1st.
- robin_steele264

BLOCKBUSTER!!!!!!! !

BLOCKBUSTER!!!!!!! !
- Big_Lightnin

Not bad for a UFA you had no hope to sign.

Hossa went for Colby, Erik Christenson, Angelo Esposito and a 1st.

The package for Brad Richards to Dallas was centered around Mike Smith.

Forsberg to Nashville? Upshall, Parent, 1st.
- Brian Huddle

exactly...

Plugging depth is easier than pluggin a hole at 1C, IMO.
- Brian Huddle

What's it take to plug your (frank)ing yap? Three cheeseburgers?

Plugging depth is easier than pluggin a hole at 1C, IMO.
- Brian Huddle

Pluggin the hole in the Titanic is easier than finding a #1 center..