I'm sure both sides will be happy with a free buyout.

I'm just saying I don't think Carter will be given one by Columbus (or whatever team owns his contract this summer).
- Atomic Wedgie

Never happen, it is what the CBA was created to prevent, The rich from running the system, how could the rich be stopped from buying up all of the talent, If they make a mistake, buy him out at no penalty.....no frankin way.

ok and what did he do in those wins?. Go back and look at his stat lines in those wins.
- leafsdc

you completely miss the point bud. i'll only restate it one more time for you....

army's style of play matches the style of play that we're going to be seeing on a nightly basis going forward (ie. tight checking games that are won along the boards and in the dirty areas). i agree he hasn't been effective since he's been back, but he's only played 5 games coming of a CONCUSSION....

he needs to be given the opportunity to return to form, because we'll need his play down the stretch to be successful.

I was thining Horcoff.

Doug Maclean thinks the Oilers should keep Gagner and trade Horcoff.

Doug Maclean = genius.
- robin_steele264

Hey don't talk down at Maclean! He did wonders in Columbus!

I was thining Horcoff.

Doug Maclean thinks the Oilers should keep Gagner and trade Horcoff.

Doug Maclean = genius.
- robin_steele264

He drafted Rick Nash!

ok and what did he do in those wins?. Go back and look at his stat lines in those wins.
- leafsdc

there are intangibles to consider here as well though, things players bring to the game that arent counted on a stat sheet.

a player doesnt have to score points to be valuable

as you said, all opinion, and I personally think he should be given more time to re-establish himself.. but hey... i'm not the coach

there are intangibles to consider here as well though, things players bring to the game that arent counted on a stat sheet.

a player doesnt have to score points to be valuable

as you said, all opinion, and I personally think he should be given more time to re-establish himself.. but hey... i'm not the coach
- Dozzer

It's not like we're not winning board battles to establish offense...


Oh wait.

5 is closer to 10 then 1 or 2 is lol. i know its no big deal, you want him in i want him out, its opinion its all good.
- leafsdc

um, no it really isn't...

Never said I want Army in or Out, just that he hasn't played much since being back from injury. 5 games, but averaged 10 mins per game on 4th line. I'd much rather Army on 4th, Crabb on 3rd, and Lombardi gone bye bye.

komi has been better at both this season....or at least more consistent.

i don't remember komi gift wrapping nearly as many goals this year as schenn has.
- Pen15

ya thats why one is a plus 8 and tho other is even. one guy has 17 points the other 4, one is 22 the other is 30. one player wont get a bag of practice pucks and the other can get a top 6 player. stop just stop.

He drafted Rick Nash!
- Brian Huddle

He also knows Gerard Gallant.

I'm not saying Getzlaf. But they have the pieces to get into bidding wars on players. It's not like it's 2008 and we're going "anyone want Stajan? for your star? Hey Sutter..."
- Brian Huddle

Not top line forwards with size, they don't.

Name a single prospect the Leafs have that anyone not drinking blue Kool-aid thinks will become a top line forward or top pairing D.

We don't have it.

Kadri, Franson and Frattin isn't going to get you a 1st line forward.

Sorry, it just isn't going to get it done.

I was thining Horcoff.

Doug Maclean thinks the Oilers should keep Gagner and trade Horcoff.

Doug Maclean = genius.
- robin_steele264

That's some outside the box thinking right there.

Hey... Leafs should keep Grabovski and trade Lombardi.

I can do it too!

It's not like we're not winning board battles to establish offense...


Oh wait.
- Brian Huddle

oh you clever man you lol

I was thining Horcoff.

Doug Maclean thinks the Oilers should keep Gagner and trade Horcoff.

Doug Maclean = genius.
- robin_steele264

Not top line forwards with size, they don't.

Name a single prospect the Leafs have that anyone not drinking blue Kool-aid thinks will become a top line forward or top pairing D.

We don't have it.

Kadri, Franson and Frattin isn't going to get you a 1st line forward.

Sorry, it just isn't going to get it done.
- Atomic Wedgie

Unless there is a team that is trying to get rid of someone due to contract or personality problems.

Not top line forwards with size, they don't.

Name a single prospect the Leafs have that anyone not drinking blue Kool-aid thinks will become a top line forward or top pairing D.

We don't have it.

Kadri, Franson and Frattin isn't going to get you a 1st line forward.

Sorry, it just isn't going to get it done.
- Atomic Wedgie

Jesse Blacker

but don't go telling anyone... we needs ta keep that one.

(and honestly I think he's a #3, ...)

ya thats why one is a plus 8 and tho other is even. one guy has 17 points the other 4, one is 22 the other is 30. one player wont get a bag of practice pucks and the other can get a top 6 player. stop just stop.
- leafsdc

The newbie is agressive...Chill out a little..

That's some outside the box thinking right there.

Hey... Leafs should keep Grabovski and trade Lombardi.

I can do it too!
- Big_Lightnin

Whoa Whoa Whoa, before we jump to any conclusions we should check with Maclean.

Never happen, it is what the CBA was created to prevent, The rich from running the system, how could the rich be stopped from buying up all of the talent, If they make a mistake, buy him out at no penalty.....no frankin way.
- bixll

Except the last CBA had one.

And a buyout helps the poor as well as the rich.

A small-market team would rather pay a financial penalty and get rid of a mistake, than continue to have that mistake affect their playoff drive.

there are intangibles to consider here as well though, things players bring to the game that arent counted on a stat sheet.

a player doesnt have to score points to be valuable

as you said, all opinion, and I personally think he should be given more time to re-establish himself.. but hey... i'm not the coach
- Dozzer

so your saying army can provide ,

1- blocking shots
2- being a physical player
3- keeping the team upbeat on the ice

so which on of those cant boyce do, boyce also brings a ton of speed to the first 2 elements as well.

That's some outside the box thinking right there.

Hey... Leafs should keep Grabovski and trade Lombardi.

I can do it too!
- Big_Lightnin

the leafs could trade lombardi if:

1: they started their own player insurance firm

2: made lombardi the only client

do those two things and i bet the leafs get alot more interest

I cant believe how everybody is so sold on shipping Schenn out of town. He has shown he can shutdown the best of them and is having a bad year.

I think his issue is footspeed. He needs to drop some bulk to regain some speed to keep up.

Not top line forwards with size, they don't.

Name a single prospect the Leafs have that anyone not drinking blue Kool-aid thinks will become a top line forward or top pairing D.

We don't have it.

Kadri, Franson and Frattin isn't going to get you a 1st line forward.

Sorry, it just isn't going to get it done.
- Atomic Wedgie

Look back at trades made for top line players. They almost always come back to bite teams in the ass, but they're usually done for prospects like Kadri who become 2nd/3rd line players or don't turn out.

Packaging picks/prospects tends to be the norm for stars in today's world where trades are rarely actually "hockey trades"

Allo,

What's up today?

I cant believe how everybody is so sold on shipping Schenn out of town. He has shown he can shutdown the best of them and is having a bad year.

I think his issue is footspeed. He needs to drop some bulk to regain some speed to keep up.
- markmark

Not me, I say hang on to him. He will improve still.

Not top line forwards with size, they don't.

Name a single prospect the Leafs have that anyone not drinking blue Kool-aid thinks will become a top line forward or top pairing D.

We don't have it.

Kadri, Franson and Frattin isn't going to get you a 1st line forward.

Sorry, it just isn't going to get it done.
- Atomic Wedgie

This is a fun game to play, but the fact is both Richards and Carter were traded for arguably insufficient return (at the time, Philly RAPED Columbus on that deal in hindsight).

right situtation a deal could be made. Teams with better offers aren't necessarily in a position to make them, or acquire a bigger salary.