If we could trade GM's with Florida, I would do it in a secondf.
- ilinkhawk

Would they ?

Why more than Burke? I have no specific info. but Saad is the TYPE of kid Burke loves.

Listen, I have nothing but a random tweet to go on about this. i have heard osme vague scuttlebutt for a few weeks about the Hawks and Leafs talking. They have in th epast.

Would not surprise me terribly if they wanted Stalberg back based on his progression, but there is a reason they dealt him two years ago and that has not totally disappeared (questionable hockey sense, inconsistency).

I would consider also putting Bolland into a deal for Grabo/Schenn.
- John Jaeckel

Burke has 9 or 10 defenceman in their system that can be used to execute a trade. Most of them would help the Hawks. What the Leafs need is more skill up front and it was well known that Burke loved McNeill prior to the draft, he just didn't have a low enough pick to acquire him.

Doubt he wants #25 back and admit a mistake.

Colby Armstrong gets injured eating a piece of toast. Forget him.
- RickJ

Agreed!

Would they ?
- victorymc98

Not unless we included Toews..

Why more than Burke? I have no specific info. but Saad is the TYPE of kid Burke loves.

Listen, I have nothing but a random tweet to go on about this. i have heard osme vague scuttlebutt for a few weeks about the Hawks and Leafs talking. They have in th epast.

Would not surprise me terribly if they wanted Stalberg back based on his progression, but there is a reason they dealt him two years ago and that has not totally disappeared (questionable hockey sense, inconsistency).

I would consider also putting Bolland into a deal for Grabo/Schenn.
- John Jaeckel

My comment meant Burke more than most other GM's relishes fixing things right away....If he trades a Schenn or a roster player my view is he would want immediate help back.

I have not heard any whispers on Toronto...Was only a general comment as to how Burke has operated in the past.

Today's article on My Fox Chicago....

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My comment meant Burke more than most other GM's relishes fixing things right away....If he trades a Schenn or a roster player my view is he would want immediate help back.

I have not heard any whispers on Toronto...Was only a general comment as to how Burke has operated in the past.
- Al

I don't see Burke trading Schenn for prospects only..

Why more than Burke? I have no specific info. but Saad is the TYPE of kid Burke loves.

Listen, I have nothing but a random tweet to go on about this. i have heard osme vague scuttlebutt for a few weeks about the Hawks and Leafs talking. They have in th epast.

Would not surprise me terribly if they wanted Stalberg back based on his progression, but there is a reason they dealt him two years ago and that has not totally disappeared (questionable hockey sense, inconsistency).

I would consider also putting Bolland into a deal for Grabo/Schenn.
- John Jaeckel

I would hate not having "The Rat" come playoff time.

It seems to me, that McD was brought in to put fans in the seats.. Just as he did when he was with the Cubs. I don't know how well this next idea would work...

Put Scotty Bowman in as the President. I never got the McD thing, winning fills the seats in this town, its not that hard of a formula to figure out.
- victorymc98

It's not just fannies in the seats: it's the promotions, corporate sponsorships, media prominence, things that need a good marketing person - which, apparently, McD is (look what he did accomplish with the Cubs - don't get completely caught up in the Wrigleyville experience, it has to be promoted).

If he's interfering with the product on the ice - IF, as I've read no evidence, even from JJ, just hearsay, as he says, from numerous sources, which may make it true, but so far, we've heard no specifics - that certainly is something Rocky needs to stop.

JJ, I'm glad you do post your sources information, even with no specifics, because you at least note it as such: we get it here and expand it into something that might or might not be true, but after several expansions, we believe it as the truth.

At this point, I'm looking to Q and his staff as the issues: however bad the Bowman acquisitions and evaluations have turned out, I don't think he has adjusted to what they actually are, instead of what he hoped they would be.

And let's see what Talon can do when he has to manage to a cap: he spent like crazy in Miami last summer because he had to to get over the floor - completely different animal if he has to get players while up against a ceiling. Hasn't had to do that yet, either in Chicago or Miami.

Jury is still out....
- StLBravesFan

Those "bad" deals he signed last summer will expire when the prospects they have need to get paid. He had to overpay for players to go there, kind of like he did here. Bottom line, they are in first place in their division.

He's the missing 2nd line C. Put him with Hoss and look out.
- John Jaeckel

...and with a physical LW and look out.

JJ, as much as people have got on Carcillo, when he went down the teams spiral began. I think the addition of Mayers and Carcillo made the hawks tougher to play against. I dont think those would be busts that were added to the roster this season.

Why more than Burke? I have no specific info. but Saad is the TYPE of kid Burke loves.

Listen, I have nothing but a random tweet to go on about this. i have heard osme vague scuttlebutt for a few weeks about the Hawks and Leafs talking. They have in th epast.

Would not surprise me terribly if they wanted Stalberg back based on his progression, but there is a reason they dealt him two years ago and that has not totally disappeared (questionable hockey sense, inconsistency).

I would consider also putting Bolland into a deal for Grabo/Schenn.
- John Jaeckel

To get Grabovski Bowman would have to put Bolland into the package because the Leafs need help at center ice, they can't afford to delete one.

And Rick Dudley will give Burke a run down on every player in the Hawks organization. Don't overlook Pirri in any trade involving multiple players.

If we could trade GM's with Florida, I would do it in a secondf.
- ilinkhawk

Only if McD keeps the f(u)ck out of Dale's Biz ... not to sound too much like Kenny.

If its true that there is meddling and this whole 'committee' thing JJ thinks there may be going on, it doesn't matter who the GM is then. For an example of how that went under Dollar Bill and Silver-tongued Bob Pulford, just look at "GM" Bob Murray's tenure at 1901 W. Madison St.

Those "bad" deals he signed last summer will expire when the prospects they have need to get paid. He had to overpay for players to go there, kind of like he did here. Bottom line, they are in first place in their division.
- hawks2010

And the bottom line here is he won the Cup - absolutely.

But to say that he could have done better than Bowman SINCE the Cup win - with the cap closing quickly in on him - I can't go there, as he hasn't shown any ability (or lack of ability) to be a GM up against a cap, because he hasn't been in that position.

He had to overpay in Miami - like he had to overpay in Chicago - and he could because he had plenty of cap room in both cities.

And the bottom line here is he won the Cup - absolutely.

But to say that he could have done better than Bowman SINCE the Cup win - with the cap closing quickly in on him - I can't go there, as he hasn't shown any ability (or lack of ability) to be a GM up against a cap, because he hasn't been in that position.

He had to overpay in Miami - like he had to overpay in Chicago - and he could because he had plenty of cap room in both cities.
- StLBravesFan

He has hockey sense and knowledge which Bowman lacks. I would put Tallon's ability over Bowman's a hundred times over. I think Tallon would have corralled the situation and we wouldn't be where we are now.

...and with a physical LW and look out.
- blackhawk24

THIS is what we are missing...

And the bottom line here is he won the Cup - absolutely.

But to say that he could have done better than Bowman SINCE the Cup win - with the cap closing quickly in on him - I can't go there, as he hasn't shown any ability (or lack of ability) to be a GM up against a cap, because he hasn't been in that position.

He had to overpay in Miami - like he had to overpay in Chicago - and he could because he had plenty of cap room in both cities.
- StLBravesFan

And how did he get the cap room? Through masterfully gutting the roster getting teams to take on the lies of Rusty O's contract pairing his payroll down to 15 mil. We will never know what he would have done here. IMO, he wouldn't have dealt who we dealt for starters..

It's not just fannies in the seats: it's the promotions, corporate sponsorships, media prominence, things that need a good marketing person - which, apparently, McD is (look what he did accomplish with the Cubs - don't get completely caught up in the Wrigleyville experience, it has to be promoted).

If he's interfering with the product on the ice - IF, as I've read no evidence, even from JJ, just hearsay, as he says, from numerous sources, which may make it true, but so far, we've heard no specifics - that certainly is something Rocky needs to stop.

JJ, I'm glad you do post your sources information, even with no specifics, because you at least note it as such: we get it here and expand it into something that might or might not be true, but after several expansions, we believe it as the truth.

At this point, I'm looking to Q and his staff as the issues: however bad the Bowman acquisitions and evaluations have turned out, I don't think he has adjusted to what they actually are, instead of what he hoped they would be.
- StLBravesFan

I would have to believe that Quenneville had significant input on who to acquire this offseason. Given that Brunette and Mayers were signed. Last year at this time almost everyone on here wanted Bowman to trade for Montador as a #5 Dman. O'Donnell is exactly what he was brought in here to be. A #6/#7 defenseman.

I don't think the free agent signings from last year were the problem. I think signing Frolik was the biggest mistake, but again, everyone on here last year said Frolik was going to be great with Hossa. Another mistake was thinking Bickell could replace Brouwer. Again, many people thought that was possible given last year's playoffs. The other big mistake was thinking Leddy could fill Campbell's shoes. Back in November, everyone was raving about Leddy being a future Norris trophy winner.

What has changed? All these players Keith, Frolik, Bickell, Kane, Leddy, Bolland, have significantly regressed this year. It's Q and his system that is the problem.

Also, wanted to ask the experts, where is Torchetti these days? Could they bring him back as an assistant for Havi?

Prediction:

Kitchen to go, Q to stay, some trade or trades will be made to add D. Hope to make the playoffs. If they make it in, it's a quick out in the first round.

No way Wirtz pays Q for two more years to watch his kid play midget hockey.
- Return of the Roar

Where did I hear that before?

And how did he get the cap room? Through masterfully gutting the roster getting teams to take on the lies of Rusty O's contract pairing his payroll down to 15 mil. We will never know what he would have done here. IMO, he wouldn't have dealt who we dealt for starters..
- ilinkhawk

Exactly.

Gutting the roster was not a consideration here in the summer of 2010.

I would have to believe that Quenneville had significant input on who to acquire this offseason. Given that Brunette and Mayers were signed. Last year at this time almost everyone on here wanted Bowman to trade for Montador as a #5 Dman. O'Donnell is exactly what he was brought in here to be. A #6/#7 defenseman.

I don't think the free agent signings from last year were the problem. I think signing Frolik was the biggest mistake, but again, everyone on here last year said Frolik was going to be great with Hossa. Another mistake was thinking Bickell could replace Brouwer. Again, many people thought that was possible given last year's playoffs. The other big mistake was thinking Leddy could fill Campbell's shoes. Back in November, everyone was raving about Leddy being a future Norris trophy winner.

What has changed? All these players Keith, Frolik, Bickell, Kane, Leddy, Bolland, have significantly regressed this year. It's Q and his system that is the problem.

Also, wanted to ask the experts, where is Torchetti these days? Could they bring him back as an assistant for Havi?
- coldsteelonice

Houston Aeros - Head Coach.

Houston Aeros - Head Coach.
- RickJ

Ah, for good for him. I hope he gets a legitimate shot to be a head coach in the NHL soon.

It seems to me, that McD was brought in to put fans in the seats.. Just as he did when he was with the Cubs. I don't know how well this next idea would work...

Put Scotty Bowman in as the President. I never got the McD thing, winning fills the seats in this town, its not that hard of a formula to figure out.
- victorymc98

I think that's true McD was brought in to put fannies in the seats. I've got no problem there. He needs to be smart enough to delegate the hockey operations to someone who is better suited. He should go out and hire the best hockey guy he could find similar to what Tom Rickets did when he hired Theo Epstein.

I think that's true McD was brought in to put fannies in the seats. I've got no problem there. He needs to be smart enough to delegate the hockey operations to someone who is better suited. He should go out and hire the best hockey guy he could find similar to what Tom Rickets did when he hired Theo Epstein.
- jhawk159

...Or at least smart enough to stay out of on ice personnel descisions.