The number of saves and shots is honestly irrelevant.

If Bryz has been sick the past few days, I don't want him going into the net. Period. Its not at all the point. Bryz could have had a 50 save shut-out. If he's had the flu, I want him 110%.

I severely doubt he's ready to go. I dont want Bryz at 50% playing behind a team whose probably at around 70% having played as many games as they have in a short span.

Bob is more then capable of handling one more start. Bryz starting today is a mistake IMO, especially against a team he's played terrible against his entire career even when 110%.
- mochoson

None of us are in the position to know whether he is ready to go. If he's in net, then the decision makes who are around the player, feel that he's ready to go.

How many years has he been that and opposed to how many years he's been paid that? You brought up the amount of shots in a game, let's stay in the context of the feeble argument shall we.
- JoeRussomanno

Are you trying to say Lundqvist isn't a top goalie in the league year in and year out?

Comparing the number of shots and saves Lundqvist makes in a game vs. Bryz is insane. Its not at all the same arguement.

The Rangers 3rd period is about to begin right now. Lundqvist could give up two bad goals on his first three shots this period. He's been exceptional all year for the Rangers. Whats your point?

Huh?
- JoeRussomanno

My mistake. I was referring to the Islander game.

No wonder you didn't know what I was talking about. Obviously, neither did I

That's a negative ghostrider. Someone has to be vocal without prongs in the locker room. I like it.
- fecondo

Exactly.

The number of saves and shots is honestly irrelevant.

If Bryz has been sick the past few days, I don't want him going into the net. Period. Its not at all the point. Bryz could have had a 50 save shut-out. If he's had the flu, I want him 110%.

I severely doubt he's ready to go. I dont want Bryz at 50% playing behind a team whose probably at around 70% having played as many games as they have in a short span.

Bob is more then capable of handling one more start. Bryz starting today is a mistake IMO, especially against a team he's played terrible against his entire career even when 110%.
- mochoson

That still doesn't explain how Bob deserved to start after he gave up 5 goals. If Bryzgalov did that no one would be saying he deserved a start.

Ah, then solution is obvious: we need to give Bryzgalov a raise
- BulliesPhan87

i don't care if they're a somewhat young d core they suck
- 2Real

If all you have to add to the discussion is that everyone sucks, you've said it, now go outside in the beautiful NoCal weather and clear your head.

My mistake. I was referring to the Islander game.

No wonder you didn't know what I was talking about. Obviously, neither did I
- 77rams

I was too but Nabokov wasn't part of my point.

Exactly.
- bodiva88

He may have been vocal in the locker room but the reference was that he was vocal to the media after the game.

Well that worked out well
- Scottie Upshall

I am guessing patience isn't a virtue you will ever have.

The number of saves and shots is honestly irrelevant.

If Bryz has been sick the past few days, I don't want him going into the net. Period. Its not at all the point. Bryz could have had a 50 save shut-out. If he's had the flu, I want him 110%.

I severely doubt he's ready to go. I dont want Bryz at 50% playing behind a team whose probably at around 70% having played as many games as they have in a short span.

Bob is more then capable of handling one more start. Bryz starting today is a mistake IMO, especially against a team he's played terrible against his entire career even when 110%.
- mochoson

I'm not trying to be a smart ass but if we had a 50% Bryz last week would have beaten the Rangers. A sick Bryz might be at 20%.

None of us are in the position to know whether he is ready to go. If he's in net, then the decision makes who are around the player, feel that he's ready to go.
- MJL

If he's ready to go, then he's ready to go. Lava is a smart coach. I have faith in whatever decision he makes.

If he feels Bryz is the best option, then Bryz should start.

And your right, theres only so much I could possibly know without working for the team and being on the inside. I'm just basing my opinion on what information is available to me.

I was too but Nabokov wasn't part of my point.
- JoeRussomanno

I got that. That's why the

I should make it a point to read clearly before I post

That still doesn't explain how Bob deserved to start after he gave up 5 goals. If Bryzgalov did that no one would be saying he deserved a start.
- JoeRussomanno

Bill mentioned that Bob had pretty much no chance on 4 of the 5 goals. He also made some outstanding saves 5 on 5. He didn't do anything to "not' earn another start. Unfortunately I don't see much of different outcome for him today, but hey, this team has shocked us in the past when we've counted them out.

That still doesn't explain how Bob deserved to start after he gave up 5 goals. If Bryzgalov did that no one would be saying he deserved a start.
- JoeRussomanno

Personally i don't care who starts in net. All i care about is putting a W up.

Bruce Garrioch just put out a story on NHL GM's looking for a proposed one-time amnesty buy-out as part of the next CBA:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam.../2012/02/11/19369046.html


Assuming the exemption can only be exercised on a single contract, I'm wondering who the Flyers would most likely look to take off the books. I think most people's immediate assumption would be to use the amnesty to get out from under Pronger or Bryzgalov's deals, but I for one think it would be better if used on Briere, who still has 3-years left on his monster deal and has already been supplanted by Giroux as the straw that stirs the drink, and looking forward, Schenn, Read and Couturier could all use the extra icetime, especially on the PP.

Any opinions?

As A Sabres fan, I pay attention to the teams that I hate the most; Philly, Boston, Toronto, etc. I often finding myself tuning into their games on Center Ice each night, just to see how they're playing.

I have to say that the Richards and Carter trades look better and better each day, especially given the fact that they've been duds for their new teams this season.

Did you guys think that Simmonds would look this good? I knew he was tough, but I didn't think he had the scoring tough that he's shown. He looks like he is more than capable to taking over for Hartnell full-time once he leaves and is sooo much tougher IMO.

Schenn looks like Richards did his rookie year; the style that they play is so similar it's scary.

Couturier is going to be a future star in the league and has all the makings of a future captain IMO. He's sound defensively, can score and hit too. For a 19 year-old he doesn't look out of place at all.

Voracek was the big question mark, IMO, but from what I can see, he's on pace to match his career averages and seems to be solid on most nights. I keep forgetting that he's only 22, so I think he's still got a lot of upside. I would like to see him throw his huge frame around a bit more though.

I know the team is struggling just a bit lately, but I think when you look at it it's really a team in transition. Timmonen, Pronger, Briere, Hartnell and probably Jagr will be gone soon, so it's now or never for this group of guys. That being said, once those guys are gone, I think the future looks extremely bright for Philly...unfortunately Plus, I still think you guys will somehow land Shea Weber and you've got the assets to do so. How about a package of Coburn, Cooter or Schenn and a 1st for Weber or something like that? JVR would bring a good return as well and it sounds like he may be on the move once he's healthy again.

Anyway, just an outsiders view on things...
- The_Inkwell

Thanks. It's refreshing to hear about what they do right. When they're in a soft patch it's all disaster mode around here.

Bruce Garrioch just put out a story on NHL GM's looking for a proposed one-time amnesty buy-out as part of the next CBA:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam.../2012/02/11/19369046.html


Assuming the exemption can only be exercised on a single contract, I'm wondering who the Flyers would most likely look to take off the books. I think most people's immediate assumption would be to use the amnesty to get out from under Pronger or Bryzgalov's deals, but I for one think it would be better if used on Briere, who still has 3-years left on his monster deal and has already been supplanted by Giroux as the straw that stirs the drink, and looking forward, Schenn, Read and Couturier could all use the extra icetime, especially on the PP.

Any opinions?
- Tomahawk

Bryz' contact for me. No question. The money has nothing to do with it. Its the term.

Are you trying to say Lundqvist isn't a top goalie in the league year in and year out?

Comparing the number of shots and saves Lundqvist makes in a game vs. Bryz is insane. Its not at all the same arguement.

The Rangers 3rd period is about to begin right now. Lundqvist could give up two bad goals on his first three shots this period. He's been exceptional all year for the Rangers. Whats your point?
- mochoson

I'm trying to figure out your point which was Bob deserves to start today. Why b/c Bryz isn't 100% no duh! But that doesn't make Bob worthy of another start when he gave up 5 goals yesterday and if Bryz is healthy which is why he would start, isn't worthy of a start after he posted a shutout.

You came back with it was only 17 saves and that's not what we are paying him to do. I pointed out Lundqvist who is considered the best goalie in hockey right now, gave up two goals on a handful of shots more and he's paid a whole lot more.
So this is where we are at. You want to give the guy who gave up 5 goals yesterday the start over the guy who on his last start gave up 0 goals because it was only 17 shots and he's paid 5.6 mill a year. That's my point.

Bruce Garrioch just put out a story on NHL GM's looking for a proposed one-time amnesty buy-out as part of the next CBA:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam.../2012/02/11/19369046.html


Assuming the exemption can only be exercised on a single contract, I'm wondering who the Flyers would most likely look to take off the books. I think most people's immediate assumption would be to use the amnesty to get out from under Pronger or Bryzgalov's deals, but I for one think it would be better if used on Briere, who still has 3-years left on his monster deal and has already been supplanted by Giroux as the straw that stirs the drink, and looking forward, Schenn, Read and Couturier could all use the extra icetime, especially on the PP.

Any opinions?
- Tomahawk

No one who understands the cap wants to get rid of Pronger's deal (if they expect he's just going to be permanently unable to play). Bryzgalov or Briere are the two that deserve consideration. Although I don't believe what you've seen of Bryzgalov so far is all you're getting, it is the longest biggest contract, so they have to look at it.

Are you trying to say Lundqvist isn't a top goalie in the league year in and year out?

Comparing the number of shots and saves Lundqvist makes in a game vs. Bryz is insane. Its not at all the same arguement.

The Rangers 3rd period is about to begin right now. Lundqvist could give up two bad goals on his first three shots this period. He's been exceptional all year for the Rangers. Whats your point?
- mochoson

No' he's saying his point is in relation to one game where and how many saves were made, in which you then changed the context to include the whole Season.

That still doesn't explain how Bob deserved to start after he gave up 5 goals. If Bryzgalov did that no one would be saying he deserved a start.
- JoeRussomanno

Thats because when Bryzgalov gives up 5 goals, 2 or 3 of them are usually his fault.

The game yesterday could have been 7 or 8-2.

No one who understands the cap wants to get rid of Pronger's deal (if they expect he's just going to be permanently unable to play). Bryzgalov or Briere are the two that deserve consideration. Although I don't believe what you've seen of Bryzgalov so far is all you're getting, it is the longest biggest contract, so they have to look at it.
- bodiva88

It's Prongers for me. That's too long to have possible dead money on the cap.

Bill mentioned that Bob had pretty much no chance on 4 of the 5 goals. He also made some outstanding saves 5 on 5. He didn't do anything to "not' earn another start. Unfortunately I don't see much of different outcome for him today, but hey, this team has shocked us in the past when we've counted them out.
- rockychocbill

Yes he had no chance but on similar goals I have heard Bryz is paid to do that like Paying him so huge amount of money makes him more than human. Let's face it if that was Bryz yesterday this board would have at least 5 pages ripping the guy despite what Bill said.

It's Prongers for me. That's too long to have possible dead money on the cap.
- ob18

If it's LTIRd it's only making you think hard during the summers.