I'm willing to bet that Karlsson's gonna have a crappy season again next year(like he did last year). Seems every d-man from the 2008 draft is having these big ups and downs on a season-by-season basis.

take Myers for example, two years ago he was superman, Leafs were idiots for taking Schenn ahead of him. Last year he started poopty, but ended well. This year, poop again... and we haven't heard a peep about him from Sabres fans. He's got as many points as Schenn does, sure, he was injured, but he's also their top PP guy. Schenn sees maybe a second of PP time a game, if there's a stoppage just before it ends.
- Feeling Glucky?

Karlsson's the real deal. He's too good of a skater, and has a filthy shot.

Ottawa's going to improve as time goes on. They're struggling because Andersson's been burnt but Lehnar's up next year.

Oh that and they have a legit no. 1 centre...gee that must be nice

Those engineering courses have taught you a lot.
- AdamFrench

meh, community college

The reason those 49 shots looked so harmless is because Reimer was practically flawless. No rebounds. No second chances for Ottawa shooters. Nothing to shoot at.

What about the Pittsburgh game before that? A 1-0 win. Hardly any goal support, and he needed to be perfect to give his team a chance to win. 25 saves.

Last week, he was 3-0-0 with a 1.00 GAA and 0.971 Sv% with 104 shots faced. 2 shutouts. NHL's third star of the week.

This week, he's 0-2-0 with a couple rough starts. Let's not forget that he did face 39 shots in Philly.

Answer me this: Why are the past two games more indicative of what he could do "at his best" than the 3 games before that?

You're using a very small sampling of Reimer at his worst to decide what he will be at his best. It's lunacy. Howard Berger makes more sense than you, for crying out loud.
- Leeman4Gilmour

If there's on thing Reimer's had over Gusti it's rebound control. Greg Millen pointed out how 'quiet' he seemed when on his game. That's an excellent way to describe it. He let nothing out

Id take Myers over both
- robin_steele264

Karlsson
Schenn
Myers


IMO.

Myers isn't as physical as he should be, his offense is gone, and his defensive game isn't all that great.

Schenn's defensive game has struggled this season because of a lack of speed, something that will be fixed over the summer, if he changes his workout plan(people laughed at me in September when I said he'd focused too much upper-body strength)... but his offensive awareness as improved, even in spite of his reduced speed.

Karlsson obviously is the top right now, because of his offensive ability. His defense is pretty crappy, but I don;t think anyone would care, based on the numbers he puts up.

Next year, we'll see how things change. Myers could bounce back, teams could start shutting Karlsson down more, Schenn's speed could improve, and with it his offensive and defensive games.

In the end, what I'm saying is, its still waaay too early to say who will be the best of the three.

hell, last year Subban was just a hair away from having his number retired in Montreal.

I think Myers will turn out to be the best.

His size is a huge factor for me... you cant teach or develope that.
- robin_steele264

but he's young and inconsistant, and apparantley that makes him a bust

but he's young and inconsistant, and apparantley that makes him a bust
- Dozzer

Hope we trade for Nabokov

but he's young and inconsistant, and apparantley that makes him a bust
- Dozzer

No mistakes are to be tolerated.

The fewer games you've played, the fewer mistakes you're entitled to, apparently.

Karlsson
Schenn
Myers


IMO.

Myers isn't as physical as he should be, his offense is gone, and his defensive game isn't all that great.

Schenn's defensive game has struggled this season because of a lack of speed, something that will be fixed over the summer, if he changes his workout plan(people laughed at me in September when I said he'd focused too much upper-body strength)... but his offensive awareness as improved, even in spite of his reduced speed.

Karlsson obviously is the top right now, because of his offensive ability. His defense is pretty crappy, but I don;t think anyone would care, based on the numbers he puts up.

Next year, we'll see how things change. Myers could bounce back, teams could start shutting Karlsson down more, Schenn's speed could improve, and with it his offensive and defensive games.

In the end, what I'm saying is, its still waaay too early to say who will be the best of the three.

hell, last year Subban was just a hair away from having his number retired in Montreal.
- Feeling Glucky?

Im just going on potential I guess... Myers has the potential to be the next Chara imo.

It'll take time of course... but I think we'll be seeing him on Team Canada in 2014... Schenn has no real hope for that.

Reimer had a very good week???

Which week are you talking about?
- faceto27

James Reimer is the NHL's third star of the week :3-0-0 with a 1.00 GAA and 0.971 Sv% with 104 shots faced and 2 shutouts.

That week. So if his last 3 starts "proves" he is a backup, did you have him as a proven hall of famer last week after his great 3 games?

but he's young and inconsistant, and apparantley that makes him a bust
- Dozzer

Dmen take time.. and yeah, go through ups and downs early.

Look at Doughboy in LA.

karlsson has put up points more consistantly though.. two years running that he's been 45 plus

my point all along is that draft position doesnt necessaily equate to a player's peak.. its a guess at the draft table.. its an educated one, but a guess all the same. more guys dont turn into all stars than do

so my whole damn argument is if you drafted a guy who turned out to be a capable nhl player, you have done well regardless of where you drafted him.
- Dozzer

yup, no doubt about it. Schenn may not have as high a ceiling as Karlsson or Myers, but he was the safe pick. Both Karlsson and Myers were seen as boom or bust.

If I was a GM, I'd always take the safe picks in the first, and leave the riskier ones for later rounds.

Hope we trade for Nabokov
- AdamFrench

another former san jose goalie?

i could only imagine what that would be like

but yeah, he'd be a perfect fit here in toronto.. cheap.. one year deal, resign him if he carries the team to another cheap deal.. let him go if not

I know basketball is stupid... but the Raptors are beating the Lakers in the last minute here... isnt that pretty rare?

Dmen take time.. and yeah, go through ups and downs early.

Look at Doughboy in LA.


- robin_steele264

Taylor Hall is just 2 points away from getting injured. 43 point curse ftw

Im just going on potential I guess... Myers has the potential to be the next Chara imo.

It'll take time of course... but I think we'll be seeing him on Team Canada in 2014... Schenn has no real hope for that.
- robin_steele264

Team Canada already has quite a few capable offensive d-men... their need for defensive guys could be higher.

Doubt either player makes it though.

Karlsson
Schenn
Myers


IMO.

Myers isn't as physical as he should be, his offense is gone, and his defensive game isn't all that great.

Schenn's defensive game has struggled this season because of a lack of speed, something that will be fixed over the summer, if he changes his workout plan(people laughed at me in September when I said he'd focused too much upper-body strength)... but his offensive awareness as improved, even in spite of his reduced speed.

Karlsson obviously is the top right now, because of his offensive ability. His defense is pretty crappy, but I don;t think anyone would care, based on the numbers he puts up.

Next year, we'll see how things change. Myers could bounce back, teams could start shutting Karlsson down more, Schenn's speed could improve, and with it his offensive and defensive games.

In the end, what I'm saying is, its still waaay too early to say who will be the best of the three.

hell, last year Subban was just a hair away from having his number retired in Montreal.
- Feeling Glucky?

Sorry but speed isn't a over night fix. It will take him a few years of off season conditioning and some technique changes to get that sorted out. He may never be much faster. Some players just don't have it. Sedins have been working constantly over the past 5 summers on there skating and they are just slightly improving.

Schenn is a solid defender... I put him in the 2nd/3rd pairing role.... 15-18 minutes a night. He is young and could become a superstar... but if I were to put money on him I would say that is where he tops out at. He doesn't seem to have amazing hockey sense... but something that could get better with time.

Myers is a much more safe bet... he is still a question mark... but if I were take any 3 of those guys based on an all around game.. its Myers... purely offensive... hands down Karlsson... and as a shut down type it would be a toss up of Schenn and Myers. IMO

Taylor Hall is just 2 points away from getting injured. 43 point curse ftw
- AdamFrench

Eberle lifted that curse!

Dmen take time.. and yeah, go through ups and downs early.

Look at Doughboy in LA.


- robin_steele264

i thought we were talking about d-men, not penner

Team Canada already has quite a few capable offensive d-men... their need for defensive guys could be higher.

Doubt either player makes it though.
- Feeling Glucky?

Myers could certainly be the 'do-it-all' type by that point.

I know basketball is stupid... but the Raptors are beating the Lakers in the last minute here... isnt that pretty rare?
- robin_steele264

And they are blowing it.



Not that rare I suppose.

yup, no doubt about it. Schenn may not have as high a ceiling as Karlsson or Myers, but he was the safe pick. Both Karlsson and Myers were seen as boom or bust.

If I was a GM, I'd always take the safe picks in the first, and leave the riskier ones for later rounds.
- Feeling Glucky?

if you know a guy is going to turn out to be an nhl-er you gotta go with that guy and not the long shot..

not in the position the leafs were in at the time.. long shots are for prospect deep teams.. the leafs were bare and empty.. they needed a sure nhl-er with their pick, schenn was the closest thing to "sure bet nhl capable" at the time

Dmen take time.. and yeah, go through ups and downs early.

Look at Doughboy in LA.


- robin_steele264

the league has been spoiled defensively by the 2008 draft. Lots of great picks their. People forget though, it's rare for guys at these ages to be in the NHL at all. There's a reason they've all been inconsistent. Especially the really big ones, or the defense-first ones. The fast, puck moving guys usually come along faster, but guys like Schenn, Myers, and Bogosian taking heat for inconsistency early in their careers is idiotic. These guys are just now at the age where *maybe* other guys would be starting to break into the league.

the league has been spoiled defensively by the 2008 draft. Lots of great picks their. People forget though, it's rare for guys at these ages to be in the NHL at all. There's a reason they've all been inconsistent. Especially the really big ones, or the defense-first ones. The fast, puck moving guys usually come along faster, but guys like Schenn, Myers, and Bogosian taking heat for inconsistency early in their careers is idiotic. These guys are just now at the age where *maybe* other guys would be starting to break into the league.
- Feeling Glucky?

like ottawa did with karlsson ... thats another thing he has going for him.. he got to develop along outside of the spotlight

the league has been spoiled defensively by the 2008 draft. Lots of great picks their. People forget though, it's rare for guys at these ages to be in the NHL at all. There's a reason they've all been inconsistent. Especially the really big ones, or the defense-first ones. The fast, puck moving guys usually come along faster, but guys like Schenn, Myers, and Bogosian taking heat for inconsistency early in their careers is idiotic. These guys are just now at the age where *maybe* other guys would be starting to break into the league.
- Feeling Glucky?

Chara didnt become all-world till he hit 30 or so.

Lidstrom still hasnt peaked.