22 years old, he's plus 8 and is on pace for 25-ish points

he still makes a few mistakes but labelling him a bust if flat out absurd
- Dozzer

A bust in terms of being a top 2 defenseman.... Yes

He will never be that.... A dee drafted in the top 5 should pan out to a top 2 D

Gards will be a top 2 D..... Not schenn

he's right tho, its not necessarily a good stat to guage someone on..

sure schenn lays out alot of hits, but he does have a tendancy to throw a hit when he shouldnt at times thus leaving him out of position

a hit can be a bad thing too if it opens a lane for the opposition offense.

this is why it takes time for shutdown d-men to develop.. they need to learn when and when not to play physical.. its a process that comes with maturity imo, and when he is in his mid-twenties he should have a good balance.

EDIT: i should note that i would in no way prefer JVR over him lol
- Dozzer

You know what stat I'm not a fan of? Is the blocked shots. Leafs are 3rd in the league yet are crap.

I see.... I didn't realize that was a useful stat

Bet you that Rosehill had the same amount minutes as Schenn he'd be leading the league in hits..... Still think that's a barometer of a players talent???

Just admit that Schenn is a bust
- faceto27

No

A bust in terms of being a top 2 defenseman.... Yes

He will never be that.... A dee drafted in the top 5 should pan out to a top 2 D

Gards will be a top 2 D..... Not schenn
- faceto27

so unless a guy becomes top pairing he's a bust?

thats as ridiculous as pretending to know what a player's ceiling is before he's reached it.

You know what stat I'm not a fan of? Is the blocked shots. Leafs are 3rd in the league yet are crap.
- weirdoh

you know what stat i'm not a fan of? 7 years without playoffs

You know what stat I'm not a fan of? Is the blocked shots. Leafs are 3rd in the league yet are crap.
- weirdoh

Imagine how much worse it would be without all those blocked shots

You know what stat I'm not a fan of? Is the blocked shots. Leafs are 3rd in the league yet are crap.
- weirdoh

i hate the collapsing defense i hate it hate it hate it hate it

how many attempted blocks became screened goals or deflected goals?

blocked shots is another decieving stat

Imagine how much worse it would be without all those blocked shots
- faceto27

probably be better, the goalie seeing the puck is a good thing. less deflections is also a good thing

you know what stat i'm not a fan of? 7 years without playoffs
- bobbyisno1

Yeah..that one's a downer too.

i hate the collapsing defense i hate it hate it hate it hate it

how many attempted blocks became screened goals or deflected goals?

blocked shots is another decieving stat
- Dozzer

How much of his recents struggles can be attributed to a weak glove? Next to none.

He's struggling because he doesn't yet have the confidence to play aggressively and he's having trouble tracking the puck.

The guy suffers a head injury that keeps him out for 2 months and suddenly he's thrown under the bus...

The kid turned in a .927 save percentage last year when he single-handedly carried us to the cusp of the playoffs. He looked fine to begin the year, then got his bell rung.

Fans in Toronto (you included) claim to want a proper rebuild. Those same fans couldn't handle a rebuild because their first reaction is to find a scapegoat and throw him under the bus. It's no wonder it's impossible to develop talent in Toronto; nobody has the patience for it.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Careful now the one and only all knowing glenn heally said, Reimer was embellishing when hit by Gionta.... and who could argue that with some like Heally

A bust in terms of being a top 2 defenseman.... Yes

He will never be that.... A dee drafted in the top 5 should pan out to a top 2 D

Gards will be a top 2 D..... Not schenn
- faceto27

You're forgetting that Schenn was the Leafs best Dman last year. Schenn was WAY more impressive and loved than Gardiner in his rookie year. AND that was when Luke was 18. I'm sure Gardiner will tail off early in his career for a bit, and then you'll declare him as a bust. The same way you said Reimer's last 3 games proves he is nothing but a back up goalie. Even though in his previous 3 starts he had 2 shutouts. Get a clue.

probably be better, the goalie seeing the puck is a good thing. less deflections is also a good thing
- bobbyisno1

You'd think that wouldn't you?

so unless a guy becomes top pairing he's a bust?

thats as ridiculous as pretending to know what a player's ceiling is before he's reached it.
- Dozzer

All depends on where they are drafted..... Top 5 draft should be a top pairing

Otherwise he's a bust or the scouts vastly overrated his potential

Wow.. had to get pretty drunk after that one....

And again, Wilson has no answer for the trap. I don't understand how a team could just keep doing things the same over and over again and expect different results.

Riemer looked terrible, those talking about his glove hand are blind, those goals went right thru him, those are his bread and butter saves. Only goal that went over the glove was on Gus during the breakaway.

i hate the collapsing defense i hate it hate it hate it hate it

how many attempted blocks became screened goals or deflected goals?

blocked shots is another decieving stat
- Dozzer

not to mention all the blocked pucks left lying in front of the crease for easy tap ins

- bobbyisno1

know what is a useful stat?

giveaways.

and in that category the leafs are number one

You're forgetting that Schenn was the Leafs best Dman last year. Schenn was WAY more impressive and loved than Gardiner in his rookie year. AND that was when Luke was 18. I'm sure Gardiner will tail off early in his career for a bit, and then you'll declare him as a bust. The same way you said Reimer's last 3 games proves he is nothing but a back up goalie. Even though in his previous 3 starts he had 2 shutouts. Get a clue.
- dionschenn

A German Shepard could have gotten those shutouts.... The team defense was at its best those games

And you can continue your love affair with schenn

Thanks for coming out though

According to The Fourth Period...

There will be no JVR for Schenn trade.... Not because JVR is concussed BUT rather cause they feel Schenn is overrated

I couldn't agree more
- faceto27

But... I thought it was the other way around!!


....

confused.

know what is a useful stat?

giveaways.

and in that category the leafs are number one
- Dozzer

Got the ole lady addicted to an RPG.

All depends on where they are drafted..... Top 5 draft should be a top pairing

Otherwise he's a bust or the scouts vastly overrated his potential
- faceto27

That's ridiculous. Maybe one of the post absurd posts to date.

know what is a useful stat?

giveaways.

and in that category the leafs are number one
- Dozzer

Schenn is very weak on clearing attempts, maybe he needs a different stick

That's ridiculous. Maybe one of the post absurd posts to date.
- Boosinicka

i blame it all on Wilson and his crappy systems, can the Leafs please have a new coach now

All depends on where they are drafted..... Top 5 draft should be a top pairing

Otherwise he's a bust or the scouts vastly overrated his potential
- faceto27

disagree completely

draft position means nothing.. its WAY over-valued

if you get a solid bottom to mid pairing d-man who plays multiple years in the league you drafted well.

not every pick turns into a star.. hell not every first rounder even makes the league.. just cause you go high in round one it doesnt mean you are going to be an all star.. there are far more non all-stars drafted in the top ten then there are stars.

you are using the term bust far too loosely imo

Got the ole lady addicted to an RPG.
- Tee-Dot

hahah really? which one?