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Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

Feb 11 @ 6:53 PM ET
"Taylor not happy with Whitney's cheeky jokes about him on Twitter? "

Like I said, you made a comment about Whitney saying something about him on twitter...and this is what the other poster is commenting on...do you something that was said on twitter? or are you just making it up.

- OilHorse


See Ryan Whitney's Twitter page. See Ryan Whitney make jokes. See Ryan Whitney make jokes about players including Hall. Rinse and repeat.
jaredwildzee
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.08.2011

Feb 11 @ 6:59 PM ET
Let's start with Bogosian...not sure he's a good defenseman yet.
- Maxbone

Do you think PRV is worth more than Bogosian?
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Feb 11 @ 7:01 PM ET
See Ryan Whitney's Twitter page. See Ryan Whitney make jokes. See Ryan Whitney make jokes about players including Hall. Rinse and repeat.
- Maxbone


I gave up on Twitter.

Never the less, your comment made it seem like he had tweated something recently.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

Feb 11 @ 7:03 PM ET
Do you think PRV is worth more than Bogosian?
- jaredwildzee


No, not really. I just don't think the Oilers should deal him yet though. Bogosian has been in the league a few years now, and his +/- is always awful. I have fears about Bogosian's potential. I'm not at all worried about Paajarvi's potential, however. He's a 50 point, 2nd line winger who can play responsible defensive hockey. The big issue in Paajarvi's game is that he need to learn to drive the net. When he does that, and when he actually gets Top 6 minutes on a regular basis, his stats will improve.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

Feb 11 @ 7:03 PM ET
I gave up on Twitter.

Never the less, your comment made it seem like he had tweated something recently.

- OilHorse


Yes, jokes. He's always horsing around. So is Hall for that matter.
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Feb 11 @ 7:03 PM ET
Let's start with Bogosian...not sure he's a good defenseman yet.
- Maxbone

Trading for Bogosian is just like trading for Hemsky right now - the team that he plays for believes he is worth far more than anyone is willing to pay. I could not honestly recommend that any hockey team trade for Hemsky right now because I firmly believe they will get much less than they give.
I think Winnipeg would want Gagner or Paajarvi or maybe Klefbom++. Whether the man we get back addresses our defensive woes or not, I wouldn't make any trade right now that was a sacrifice (if they want to take the players we don't want anymore and give us good players back, awesome, but that's the kind of stuff that usually only happens in Pretend Hockey Land and in deals with Jay Feaster, and he doesn't have anyone I want except Iggy, Kipper and Glencross and none of them are to be had at good value).
Ugh, I keep waffling back and forth. "Lynch Tambi for intentionally tanking this year! No, you damn fool, I didn't say trade to get better! You'll mess with the rebuild!"
jaredwildzee
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.08.2011

Feb 11 @ 7:08 PM ET
No, not really. I just don't think the Oilers should deal him yet though. Bogosian has been in the league a few years now, and his +/- is always awful. I have fears about Bogosian's potential. I'm not at all worried about Paajarvi's potential, however. He's a 50 point, 2nd line winger who can play responsible defensive hockey. The big issue in Paajarvi's game is that he need to learn to drive the net. When he does that, and when he actually gets Top 6 minutes on a regular basis, his stats will improve.
- Maxbone


I'm saying Oil need a D'man and PRV is the movable guy mabey not Bogosian,
but someone along those lines even PRV packaged with pick and peckham.
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Feb 11 @ 7:09 PM ET
Yes, jokes. He's always horsing around. So is Hall for that matter.
- Maxbone


Then there is nothing specific...

I see players skate by others all the time after a goal. Who did he skate towards? Maybe Horc?

People should not read too much into these things.
oilersfanatic
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City Of "next year", AB
Joined: 10.20.2007

Feb 11 @ 7:11 PM ET
Then there is nothing specific...

I see players skate by others all the time after a goal. Who did he skate towards? Maybe Horc?

People should not read too much into these things.

- OilHorse


IMO Hall was just trying to do his little fist pump before joining the rest of his mates and Whitney got there before he could do that so he skated past Whitney and did his fist pump. Nothing more there
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Feb 11 @ 7:12 PM ET
Two questions for everyone.
Should the Oilers tank next season as well?
Will the Oilers tank next season as well?
oilersfanatic
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City Of "next year", AB
Joined: 10.20.2007

Feb 11 @ 7:13 PM ET
Two questions for everyone.
Should the Oilers tank next season as well?
Will the Oilers tank next season as well?

- thefullnelson


When did they start tanking?
OilHorse
Edmonton Oilers
Location: EKolb..ChiRef..Dnozzlesupreme, BC
Joined: 10.12.2010

Feb 11 @ 7:13 PM ET
IMO Hall was just trying to do his little fist pump before joining the rest of his mates and Whitney got there before he could do that so he skated past Whitney and did his fist pump. Nothing more there
- oilersfanatic


I didn;t see the game so I cannot comment on that...
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

Feb 11 @ 7:18 PM ET
Two questions for everyone.
Should the Oilers tank next season as well?
Will the Oilers tank next season as well?

- thefullnelson


Should they? No.

Will they? Hard to say. Roster has holes o' plenty.
jaredwildzee
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.08.2011

Feb 11 @ 7:21 PM ET
Two questions for everyone.
Should the Oilers tank next season as well?
Will the Oilers tank next season as well?

- thefullnelson

I think injuries determine everything. We're a much better team healthy as you can see and we still don,t have our top center
injuries are the reason we've sucked so bad for so long
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Feb 11 @ 7:25 PM ET
Two questions for everyone.
Should the Oilers tank next season as well?
Will the Oilers tank next season as well?

- thefullnelson

No i dont believe that we should next year or that we will. This being said i still dont think that we're a playoff team next year either.
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Feb 11 @ 7:26 PM ET
When did they start tanking?
- oilersfanatic

...um... have you been watching this season? I don't believe the players are intentionally losing, but I do believe they are being intentionally unsupported and undermined by management. I believe that for this entire season, Tambi/Renney's priorities have been
a)develop the rookies/prospects
b)play exciting hockey
c)draft as high as possible
Look how excited we are for the future with three Wunderkids. Next year, thanks to Operation Blow Donkeys for Bus Fare, we'll have four. Another year after that? Imagine building the Cup-winning franchise with 5 consecutive top 5 picks!
The team is still selling everything at capacity - tickets for games, merchandise, breathless speculative prose... plus their owner is a Bazillionaire who would probably swap a quarter Billion dollars for a Cup without blinking. They are under no pressure at all to succeed.
Nothing else besides tanking explains to me why the management chose to go into this season with such a glaringly unbalanced roster, and why they chose not to balance that roster out when they were, say, 9-7 on the season (and could easily have gone on to the playoffs and a worse draft pick).
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Feb 11 @ 7:29 PM ET
I think injuries determine everything. We're a much better team healthy as you can see and we still don,t have our top center
injuries are the reason we've sucked so bad for so long

- jaredwildzee

Injuries are definitely a reason, but we all knew the roster we started the season with wasn't exactly the Eighties Oilers.
Also, everyone's much better when healthy, and all teams have their injury woes (though I'll grant ours these past few years have been exceptional). If the stupid Penguins can win games like they're the damn Wings with Crosby gone for a year and a half, we sort of have to quit whining and man up with the players we have (or deal for better ones).
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Feb 11 @ 7:35 PM ET
Yes, jokes. He's always horsing around. So is Hall for that matter.
- Maxbone

Like Sandusky horsing around?
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Feb 11 @ 7:35 PM ET
No i dont believe that we should next year or that we will. This being said i still dont think that we're a playoff team next year either.
- Ihatebrianburke

I think we are a playoff team next year - if management is serious about doing their part to help the players. This means balancing the damn roster as much as is possible without glaringly overpaying, it means using players in roles that they excel in (Horcoff should never have been on our second line this year. At all) and it also means they find a way to keep our team focused, motivated and confident all year round.
I also think we could have been a playoff team this year if management hadn't had their hearts set on Sucking Now to be Awesome Later.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

Feb 11 @ 7:41 PM ET
Like Sandusky horsing around?
- Richieattack18


LOL. I'm thinking not.

Fun comment.
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Feb 11 @ 7:41 PM ET
When did they start tanking?
- oilersfanatic

Oh actually it's been all season really.. You see when Belanger Smyth and Horcoff get majority of the ice time it usually sets us up for near guaranteed failure every game... Add in sutton in press box and its nearly a forgone conclusion... Bench the kids etc... Renney is a coach I think who does not have control of the team anymore.. I think he lost the young guns in the room and I would be surprised if he gets an extension at all... Hall and eberle are this team... It's only a matter of time til Renney will be gone... It showed in the Calgary game and I am sure it's only getting worse...
oilersfanatic
Edmonton Oilers
Location: City Of "next year", AB
Joined: 10.20.2007

Feb 11 @ 7:46 PM ET
...um... have you been watching this season? I don't believe the players are intentionally losing, but I do believe they are being intentionally unsupported and undermined by management. I believe that for this entire season, Tambi/Renney's priorities have been
a)develop the rookies/prospects
b)play exciting hockey
c)draft as high as possible
Look how excited we are for the future with three Wunderkids. Next year, thanks to Operation Blow Donkeys for Bus Fare, we'll have four. Another year after that? Imagine building the Cup-winning franchise with 5 consecutive top 5 picks!
The team is still selling everything at capacity - tickets for games, merchandise, breathless speculative prose... plus their owner is a Bazillionaire who would probably swap a quarter Billion dollars for a Cup without blinking. They are under no pressure at all to succeed.
Nothing else besides tanking explains to me why the management chose to go into this season with such a glaringly unbalanced roster, and why they chose not to balance that roster out when they were, say, 9-7 on the season (and could easily have gone on to the playoffs and a worse draft pick).

- thefullnelson


Yes, I've watched the Oilers this year. I've gone to 12 games this year and have seen 8 wins and a possible 18 of 24 pts. Tanking happens on the ice, not in the press-box. No one on the ice is intentionally losing. Much of the blame should be on injuries. How can a team be successful when losing their 3 of their top 4 dmen at the same time? Or all 3 kids at the same time? Not to mention Gagner started the season off injured. Much of the blame is towards Renney and the coaching staff as well. How do guys like Hall/Eberle only see 16-17 mins a night when guys like Belanger who has 2 goals all year see 22+. The rest of the blame can be placed on the Pro Scouting staff. Our free agent signings have been abysmal. Tanking isn't the right word to use here.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Feb 11 @ 7:47 PM ET
LOL. I'm thinking not.

Fun comment.

- Maxbone

Phew
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Feb 11 @ 7:47 PM ET
I would not read much in the Whitney hall handshake deal... It could be penis envy....lmfao....
jaredwildzee
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.08.2011

Feb 11 @ 7:47 PM ET
Oh actually it's been all season really.. You see when Belanger Smyth and Horcoff get majority of the ice time it usually sets us up for near guaranteed failure every game... Add in sutton in press box and its nearly a forgone conclusion... Bench the kids etc... Renney is a coach I think who does not have control of the team anymore.. I think he lost the young guns in the room and I would be surprised if he gets an extension at all... Hall and eberle are this team... It's only a matter of time til Renney will be gone... It showed in the Calgary game and I am sure it's only getting worse...
- saskoil21


Good we need a hardass behind the bench!!
Renney is a fool!!
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