Chill out bud....... I didn't say anything it was the kid
- The_Vark

Why not put everyone in!
- Fakepartofme

Of course....because everybody in the NHL has put up over 1300 points, right?

- nbboy

I'm still pissed at Sundin, for being the ringleader of the Muskoka five. If he had waived his no trade clause, the rest would have followed suite. He set the Leafs rebuild back, at least 5 years. This team would have been a playoff team by now, but no, Sundin wanted to continue his comfortable life with his buddies, while the fans paid the weight. Would he have come back for 3 million a season, at the end? I hardly doubt it. I remember in his prime, holding up the Leafs franchise for close to 10 million per season, on a long term contract. He didn't seem to mind taking that cash out of MLS&E, plus their fans. If he wanted to be endured by the Leafs Nation, he would have been looked at as they guy that did the right thing and let his legacy rebuild the franchise. He chose not to and the Leafs Nation has not seen playoff hockey for close to 8 years.

I'm still pissed at Sundin, for being the ringleader of the Muskoka five. If he had waived his no trade clause, the rest would have followed suite. He set the Leafs rebuild back, at least 5 years. This team would have been a playoff team by now, but no, Sundin wanted to continue his comfortable life with his buddies, while the fans paid the weight. Would he have come back for 3 million a season, at the end? I hardly doubt it. I remember in his prime, holding up the Leafs franchise for close to 10 million per season, on a long term contract. He didn't seem to mind taking that cash out of MLS&E, plus their fans. If he wanted to be endured by the Leafs Nation, he would have been looked at as they guy that did the right thing and let his legacy rebuild the franchise. He chose not to and the Leafs Nation has not seen playoff hockey for close to 8 years.
- PrinceLH

I'm less upset with Sundin over the others. He expressed his desire to play here, but never let his play deteriorate as a result of complacency. We can't say the same of the other 4, who we wouldn't have minded keeping if their performances weren't fading so quickly.

I'm less upset with Sundin over the others. He expressed his desire to play here, but never let his play deteriorate as a result of complacency. We can't say the same of the other 4, who we wouldn't have minded keeping if their performances weren't fading so quickly.
- p_zub

That's the issue. Mats ran the old boys club here. I remember when Ed Belfour was signed, when Cujo jumped ship for Detroit, and the first thing they did, when they went to Detroit for a game, was go have a night out at Cujo's house. Nice buildup for your new goaltender. Then there was Darcy Tucker being a best friend to Mike Peca, having their wives becoming friendly and their children enrolling at the same school. It was all about comfort and not competition. They were paid to win, not be stage performers.

Sundin is a no-brainer hall of fame selection. His sheer stats alone dictate that, especially being 25th all time in scoring, holding the OT winner record, and the 17 20 goal seasons.

He may not have had a few years where he was way over the top with his stats like Gilmour did, but he had amazing consistency and longevity. And his stats, as great as they are, don't tell the whole story. First of all, he would have had more points on better teams with better wingers. Secondly, Sundin was a complete player. He played D, was deadly on faceoffs, was a great playmaker, great skater, and great shooter. He was completely unstoppable when he carried the puck down the wall and behind the net. He was a big man who could skate, hit, push guys around. Also one of the best backhand shots in the game. This is a guy who turned Hoglund and Berezin into 30 and 40 goal scorers, single-handedly. If he'd played more years with guys even close to his talent, I have no doubt he would have had a hundred more points.

Sundin wasn't flashy, he was just unstoppable. He would't dangle a goalie, he would just skate in and shoot the puck into the net. Even towards the end of the career, if Sundin was holding the puck along the boards or in the corner, there was nothing that defenseman could do about it. Everybody knew Sundin went down the left side and behind the net, and came around guarding the puck looking for the pass or the backhand, and nobody could stop that. He was the ultimate powerforward.

The problem right now with the HOF is there is a large group of guys who should be in. I think they should expand the entrance for a year and admit ten guys to clear up the backlog.

Oh yeah and people who criticize Mats for not waiving his NTC, he believed the Leafs were still in the hunt and he wanted to stay and make the playoffs that year, because he bled Blue and White and was a captain who did not jump ship. That is a captain being a captain and Toronto fans should shoot themselves in the Richard if they have a problem with that because they suck.

Why not put everyone in!
- Fakepartofme

People seem to fail to remember it's the HOCKEY Hall of Fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame.

A quote from a Mike Brophy column:
Sundin scored 20 goals in his first 17 seasons; Marcel Dionne (a Hall of Famer) is the only other guy in the history of the league to do the same.

He also had 3 gold medals at the world championship and one gold medal from the Olympics.

He was a career point per game player, which Doug Gilmour was not and he's in the hall.

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.
- gillings

You clearly are attemtping to troll the board and do not have the slightest bit if insight in to Sundin and his career.

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.
- gillings

Ah, I see you have chosen to rock the insightful and classy vibe today.

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.
- gillings

Awwww muffin....

People seem to fail to remember it's the HOCKEY Hall of Fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame.

A quote from a Mike Brophy column:
Sundin scored 20 goals in his first 17 seasons; Marcel Dionne (a Hall of Famer) is the only other guy in the history of the league to do the same.

He also had 3 gold medals at the world championship and one gold medal from the Olympics.

He was a career point per game player, which Doug Gilmour was not and he's in the hall.
- Juice

Imagine Sundin centering Lupul and Kessel

Imagine Sundin centering Lupul and Kessel
- p_zub

And somehow Sundin would still find a way to finish with 80 points in 78 games.

That's the issue. Mats ran the old boys club here. I remember when Ed Belfour was signed, when Cujo jumped ship for Detroit, and the first thing they did, when they went to Detroit for a game, was go have a night out at Cujo's house. Nice buildup for your new goaltender. Then there was Darcy Tucker being a best friend to Mike Peca, having their wives becoming friendly and their children enrolling at the same school. It was all about comfort and not competition. They were paid to win, not be stage performers.
- PrinceLH

Probably one of the dumbest things ive ever read on hb. You ever play team sports? Doesnt sound like it based on that load of crap.

'Does Sundin get into the hhof?' hahah what a dumb question.. but great way to get hits

It's because the leafs are a horrid, abomination of a team!
Agree to that god dammit!!!
- Whiskey-Tango

I agree to the fact that vancouver doesn't have one stanley cup banner flying in their rafters.

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.
- gillings

I can only assume that your opinion was formed whilst caught up in the euphoria of watching Scott Gomez score a goal.

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.
- gillings

Mats Sundin = Over rated, Role playing, Dump and chase, Master of the luck, No stanley cup ring, toronto maple leafs money launderer.

All he did was make that team worse. He did nothing to help win the cup.

He did what he was told to do and he is now laughing with millions in the bank.

And toronto fans think he was special. poop only reason he was good is because He was given the green light to control the team, And when you are in the NHL you do what you are told or bye bye.
- gillings

...you,my friend, are a muppet...

Mats was the real deal . A true thoroughbred. Size,skill,intelligence,team player... all around decent human being. I personally hold him in the same regard as I do Gilmour, Keon and Wendell.

" mange tak Mats "

Hall of Famer!

Probably one of the dumbest things ive ever read on hb. You ever play team sports? Doesnt sound like it based on that load of crap.
- LotekLeafs

Load of crap? Before you make that statement, you better do some research. That actually happened, the first game in Detroit, that year. Mats, Roberts, Corson and most of the Muskoka five went to Cujo's new home, had dinner and spent an evening together. I'm sure none of them went to the net hard, the next night, with Cujo in the goal. Belfour must have wondered what he signed on to, after witnessing that.

Oh, on the team sports thing, yeah, I did, did you? It was Cujo's decision to leave the Leafs to win a Cup in Detroit, because he had a falling out with coach Pat Quinn, over being yanked as the starter in the Olympics and replaced with Brodeur.

'Does Sundin get into the hhof?' hahah what a dumb question.. but great way to get hits
- SameOld

Well back in November, TSN asked the same question and their experts had people like Lindros ahead of Sundin for the up coming class. So I don't think it's a bad question at all. Obviously Leaf fans are going to be rooting for anyone who wore the blue and white, but the question wasn't just posed to leaf fans

Well back in November, TSN asked the same question and their experts had people like Lindros ahead of Sundin for the up coming class. So I don't think it's a bad question at all. Obviously Leaf fans are going to be rooting for anyone who wore the blue and white, but the question wasn't just posed to leaf fans
- MasWE

He played what 1300 games and has over a ppg? He also captained the Leafs to the conference finals a few times, and captained the national Swedish team to gold. This is the HHOF not the NHLOHF, I say he gets in no question about it. Cam Neely got in lol.