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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 10 @ 11:08 AM ET
Didnt know Souray got hurt last night. I still think they have a legit chance at making the playoffs. They have two games in hand to Phoenix and only trail by two points. Morrow is suppose to be back this weekend (unless the reports are wrong). If Grossman becomes available it would be a nice add for the Flyers. You would definately know more than me about the Stars cause you cover them but I still think with a healthy Benn that team is going to make the playoffs. What kind of deal is Grossman looking for from Dallas (yrs/money)?
- stveshdy



Morrow has had a down year. The neck issue is only one of several ailments bothering him.

The Stars need to start winning more consistently on the road and start winning a few back-end games when they play on back-to-back nights (0-8-1 so far). They've over-relied on Lehtonen of late.

I would love to see the Stars get in the playoffs, but I think they would need another top six forward and good health to get there.

Grossman's current deal pays him $1.75 M salary ($1.65 M cap hit), so you have to figure about a $3M cap hit in a 3-4 year contract in his next deal. Yes, that's overpaying for him given his lack of offensive/puckhandling prowess but he might be able to get it on the open market this summer as a UFA.

Established NHL defensemen always get paid a premium, especially when the UFA is still just 27 years old.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:09 AM ET
With Carle leaving, and Timonen only has 1 year left... Flyers are in need of a puck mover, and someone young that doesnt cost too much. Johnson might be a good fit here, especially if he could learn from someone like Timonen.
- RooNosHockey


If the Flyers can make a solid hockey trade for a d-man that isn't a rental, I think they should consider it. I still prefer going after Suter in the summer, if that doesn't work there are some other solid UFA's out there.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:09 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: 2/10/12
- bmeltzer


nice to get the win. huge weekend. flyers haven't beaten the rangers in 6 straight if you go back to last season, and the flyers finally won in detroit last year after going winless since 19(frank)ing88. they'll catch a bit of a break on sunday as jimmy howard is out with a broken finger, but ty conklin is more than capable of playing a strong game.

of the two, i feel they need the win on saturday. it's another home afternoon game against their arch rival who's been laughing at them all year.

btw, couldn't the flyers just recall a goalie from their echl affiliate (the titans again, i believe)? why the need to sign bacashuaiuiaiaiaaaiaia just for an emergency purpose like yesterday?
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:11 AM ET
i dont think we do anything at the deadline, i dont see any upgrades over what we have..

im the first to say our d needs overhauled, but it wont be addressed till summer imo.

luke schenn is okay, but not worth jvr...schenn showed me nothing last night and jvr is still very young and has had health issues this year and will be a force once he gets back on the horse.

not interested in gill, jack johnson....nobody gets my attention execept for weber/suter, so unless we can get 1 of those i hope we stay put.

- mydoglicks


I think more tweak than overhaul for the D. I'd like to see MAB and Gustafsson continue to mature here. Meszaros and Coburn are okay too imo. We need a true No. 1 D man though. Be nice to get that for next season and then a true No. 2 guy the off season after that.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:13 AM ET
That was a bush league move by Moore. Who isn't that type of player. No chance he gets 10 games. I think he will get 3.
- PLindbergh31


While I'd like 10, I think he gets 5. No way Brendan goes less than what Bourque got imo. That's backtracking.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:13 AM ET
Hard to believe MAB was in the ECHL late last season and now he's playing a regular shift for the Flyers.

If his skating was better and his decision making should get better he could be a 3rd pairing dman as well.

Sadly the Flyers can't expect to win the Cup with two question marks in the top 6 dmen.

- Buts16


this is the scenario every gddamn season.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 10 @ 11:13 AM ET
If the Flyers can make a solid hockey trade for a d-man that isn't a rental, I think they should consider it. I still prefer going after Suter in the summer, if that doesn't work there are some other solid UFA's out there.
- PLindbergh31


I am not in favor of going after Suter. The Flyers are already against the Cap. Suter is going to take a huge pay day, because frankly everyone will want him. Any Contract Suter signs is going to tie up any money that it would take to resign players like Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds, JVR, and Read in the future. Not worth it IMO when you can get Johnson at what 4.5 million for 7 years? Or L.Schenn? It will be a long time before they will command an 8 million cap hit.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 10 @ 11:14 AM ET
I like Yandle. A lot of people seem to think he's not good in his own end, all the games I have seen him play he's been very solid overall. He's a fantastic skater, maybe the best skating d-man in the League. I think his price tag would be pretty high if he were even available.
- PLindbergh31


Higher than Weber?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:15 AM ET
nice to get the win. huge weekend. flyers haven't beaten the rangers in 6 straight if you go back to last season, and the flyers finally won in detroit last year after going winless since 19(frank)ing88. they'll catch a bit of a break on sunday as jimmy howard is out with a broken finger, but ty conklin is more than capable of playing a strong game.

of the two, i feel they need the win on saturday. it's another home afternoon game against their arch rival who's been laughing at them all year.

btw, couldn't the flyers just recall a goalie from their echl affiliate (the titans again, i believe)? why the need to sign bacashuaiuiaiaiaaaiaia just for an emergency purpose like yesterday?

- hammarby31


Get two points tomorrow and Sunday's game is house money. I think Detroit has actually been playing Joey McDonald in net more than Conklin. Detroit could put Terry Sawchuk's coffin in goal Sunday and that is going to be near an impossible game to win.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:16 AM ET
lupul really made coburn his female doge last night eh
- OrangeBlack27


Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 10 @ 11:16 AM ET
btw, couldn't the flyers just recall a goalie from their echl affiliate (the titans again, i believe)? why the need to sign bacashuaiuiaiaiaaaiaia just for an emergency purpose like yesterday?
- hammarby31


The player would need to be under NHL contract to be called up by the Flyers. Brad Phillips is on a straight-up minor league deal, as Riopel was previously. He is Phantoms/Titans property, whereas Bacashihua is Flyers property.

Contrary to what was said on Twitter, Bacashihua is not an "emergency recall". He's just a straight-up recall, meaning he can stay around as long as the Flyers need him for practice and to back up in games.

Emergency recall or emergency contract (such as Hostetter and Sloan a few years ago) can only be used if there literally no other options available to dress at least the minimum number of skaters and two goalies.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:17 AM ET
Higher than Weber?
- stveshdy


No way.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:18 AM ET
I am not in favor of going after Suter. The Flyers are already against the Cap. Suter is going to take a huge pay day, because frankly everyone will want him. Any Contract Suter signs is going to tie up any money that it would take to resign players like Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds, JVR, and Read in the future. Not worth it IMO when you can get Johnson at what 4.5 million for 7 years? Or L.Schenn? It will be a long time before they will command an 8 million cap hit.
- RooNosHockey


Flyers are likely going to have Pronger's LTIR money, and letting Carle walk, with the cap likely going up, they will have room to fit Suter.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 10 @ 11:18 AM ET
Morrow has had a down year. The neck issue is only one of several ailments bothering him.

The Stars need to start winning more consistently on the road and start winning a few back-end games when they play on back-to-back nights (0-8-1 so far). They've over-relied on Lehtonen of late.

I would love to see the Stars get in the playoffs, but I think they would need another top six forward and good health to get there.

Grossman's current deal pays him $1.75 M salary ($1.65 M cap hit), so you have to figure about a $3M cap hit in a 3-4 year contract in his next deal. Yes, that's overpaying for him given his lack of offensive/puckhandling prowess but he might be able to get it on the open market this summer as a UFA.

Established NHL defensemen always get paid a premium, especially when the UFA is still just 27 years old.

- bmeltzer


If they were to move Grossman what do you think the Stars would be asking for? Forward and pick? Less or More?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:18 AM ET
nice to get the win. huge weekend. flyers haven't beaten the rangers in 6 straight if you go back to last season, and the flyers finally won in detroit last year after going winless since 19(frank)ing88. they'll catch a bit of a break on sunday as jimmy howard is out with a broken finger, but ty conklin is more than capable of playing a strong game.

of the two, i feel they need the win on saturday. it's another home afternoon game against their arch rival who's been laughing at them all year.

btw, couldn't the flyers just recall a goalie from their echl affiliate (the titans again, i believe)? why the need to sign bacashuaiuiaiaiaaaiaia just for an emergency purpose like yesterday?

- hammarby31


None of the ECHL guys have NHL contracts. They would have taken up a slot on the 50 contract maximum, too.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:20 AM ET
While I'd like 10, I think he gets 5. No way Brendan goes less than what Bourque got imo. That's backtracking.
- rockychocbill


We will see. It could warrant 5. Shanahan seems to put a lot of stock in a players prior discipline history. Not sure if Moore has one.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:22 AM ET
Did a quick back read scan. Surprised not to see any chatter about the Dominic Moore hit on Fedetenko last night. That to me should be an automatic 10 games. And what the Seravalli was the back official watching to only hand out a 2 min. minor for roughing on that play? Donkey clowns.

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...enko-video-142039657.html

- rockychocbill


from behind it looks kind of bad, but then the last replay is from the side and it doesn't look like his head is even touched at all. i don't think he was really trying to nail him in the face.

don't like see guys get hurt, but i won't be sad if fedetenko is out saturday. his only purpose is to score against the flyers.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:24 AM ET
Can you say Ray Whitney?

Guy is having an amazing year out of nowhere.

- hereticpride


i wanted him a year or two ago. he'll eventually be a flyer when he has nothing left in the tank.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:27 AM ET
The player would need to be under NHL contract to be called up by the Flyers. Brad Phillips is on a straight-up minor league deal, as Riopel was previously. He is Phantoms/Titans property, whereas Bacashihua is Flyers property.

Contrary to what was said on Twitter, Bacashihua is not an "emergency recall". He's just a straight-up recall, meaning he can stay around as long as the Flyers need him for practice and to back up in games.

Emergency recall or emergency contract (such as Hostetter and Sloan a few years ago) can only be used if there literally no other options available to dress at least the minimum number of skaters and two goalies.

- bmeltzer


so let's say the flyers had 2 ahl goalies BOTH subject to waiver recall - and there's this 1 day waiting period - what do they do last night? does this emergency contract 1 day signing a guy off the street come into play then?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:29 AM ET
i dont think we do anything at the deadline, i dont see any upgrades over what we have..

im the first to say our d needs overhauled, but it wont be addressed till summer imo.

luke schenn is okay, but not worth jvr...schenn showed me nothing last night and jvr is still very young and has had health issues this year and will be a force once he gets back on the horse.

not interested in gill, jack johnson....nobody gets my attention execept for weber/suter, so unless we can get 1 of those i hope we stay put.

- mydoglicks



Luke Schenn had a strong game last night. He would be a solid addition to the Flyers blueline.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:30 AM ET
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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:30 AM ET
so let's say the flyers had 2 ahl goalies BOTH subject to waiver recall - and there's this 1 day waiting period - what do they do last night? does this emergency contract 1 day signing a guy off the street come into play then?
- hammarby31


They pull you out of the stands, and NFG has to sit by herself. You replace an injured Bobrovsky, stand on your head and win the game. Bam! Goalie controversy!
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 10 @ 11:33 AM ET
Luke Schenn had a strong game last night. He would be a solid addition to the Flyers blueline.
- MJL


Agreed. And Both Schenn and Johnson would be solid additions.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 10 @ 11:34 AM ET
I am not in favor of going after Suter. The Flyers are already against the Cap. Suter is going to take a huge pay day, because frankly everyone will want him. Any Contract Suter signs is going to tie up any money that it would take to resign players like Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds, JVR, and Read in the future. Not worth it IMO when you can get Johnson at what 4.5 million for 7 years? Or L.Schenn? It will be a long time before they will command an 8 million cap hit.
- RooNosHockey



The Flyers can structure a deal with a player like Suter to lower the AAV, and still be able to resing who they need to.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 10 @ 11:35 AM ET
Hmm I wonder. If LA is going to trade Bernier, then maybe the Prospect they are talking about would be Bob.

Bob the back-up can you stop it. YES WE CAN!
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