easy to say now...but in couple years once Seguin is at his prime and Hamilton is their #1 D...the trade won't look that great.
- Symba007

I totally agree.

Let's talk to the Habs about how to make successful roster moves.....

easy to say now...but in couple years once Seguin is at his prime and Hamilton is their #1 D...the trade won't look that great.
- Symba007

hey everyone, this guy can predict the future. hamilton will be their number 1 D man without even playing an NHL game? do you know how long it takes for dmen to be good? there are a few exceptional cases like doughty where they play well in their first year...most dmen dont hit their prime until they are like 27. look what happened to hedman, rundblad etc. as of right now, kessel is much better than seguin, no one can argue that. the bruins have potential to come out as winners, but the leafs got the man they wanted at a price that was good at the time. in hindsight they probably wouldnt have made the trade, but i dont understand people bashing them for trading two 1sts and a 2nd for a guy who scored 36 goals in his 3rd nhl year.

hey everyone, this guy can predict the future. hamilton will be their number 1 D man without even playing an NHL game? do you know how long it takes for dmen to be good? there are a few exceptional cases like doughty where they play well in their first year...most dmen dont hit their prime until they are like 27. look what happened to hedman, rundblad etc. as of right now, kessel is much better than seguin, no one can argue that. the bruins have potential to come out as winners, but the leafs got the man they wanted at a price that was good at the time. in hindsight they probably wouldnt have made the trade, but i dont understand people bashing them for trading two 1sts and a 2nd for a guy who scored 36 goals in his 3rd nhl year.
- sensnucksnocups

I think the reason people argue it was a bad trade by Burke is because of the timing of it. The Leafs were primed to start a rebuild and get some good draft picks, then Burke trades away not one, but TWO first rounders. Not exactly a good recipe for a successful rebuild.

Tim thomas is an idiot. Should play hockey and shut up. No one cares about his personal views, just care that he wins games, leave the insight up to people that have something worth saying.

The only words this clown should post on his facebook is "I retire"
- IronMaidnick

who cares what he posts on facebook? does being a hockey player mean you arent allowed to have an opinion? its not like he's planning a murder and publishing it for all to see. he's a vezina candidate, who gives a poop what his political views are. i'd have george w bush as my goalie f he posted a shutout every game.

I totally agree.

Let's talk to the Habs about how to make successful roster moves.....
- IronMaidnick

Even the Maple Leafs can do it right 10% of the time. Scott Niedermayer draft pick is the 1st mistake i would learn but you guys have to do it all the time eh? you guys never learn?

I think the reason people argue it was a bad trade by Burke is because of the timing of it. The Leafs were primed to start a rebuild and get some good draft picks, then Burke trades away not one, but TWO first rounders. Not exactly a good recipe for a successful rebuild.
- woopstash

nobody thought the leafs would finish that low, not even the bruins. you cant blame them for the trade they made, like i said earlier, it was a good trade at the time, but if i recall correctly, kessel was injured to start the season, and toskala couldnt save a beachball.

I think the reason people argue it was a bad trade by Burke is because of the timing of it. The Leafs were primed to start a rebuild and get some good draft picks, then Burke trades away not one, but TWO first rounders. Not exactly a good recipe for a successful rebuild.
- woopstash

So acquiring a 21 year old, 36 goal scorer is a bad recipe for a rebuild.

I think anyone arguing the Seguin/Kessel trade needs to realize just how young Kessel was and still is.

leaf fans haven't had anything else to cheer about for half a century, let the guy have his moment. lol
- sensarmy_11

So what has Ottawa had to cheer about? Seriously thou didn't really watch the all star game did the fans actually chant Wade Belak? That's messed if they did.

hey everyone, this guy can predict the future. hamilton will be their number 1 D man without even playing an NHL game? do you know how long it takes for dmen to be good? there are a few exceptional cases like doughty where they play well in their first year...most dmen dont hit their prime until they are like 27. look what happened to hedman, rundblad etc. as of right now, kessel is much better than seguin, no one can argue that. the bruins have potential to come out as winners, but the leafs got the man they wanted at a price that was good at the time. in hindsight they probably wouldnt have made the trade, but i dont understand people bashing them for trading two 1sts and a 2nd for a guy who scored 36 goals in his 3rd nhl year.
- sensnucksnocups

Best 60g scorer who never scored 40g.

nobody thought the leafs would finish that low, not even the bruins. you cant blame them for the trade they made, like i said earlier, it was a good trade at the time, but if i recall correctly, kessel was injured to start the season, and toskala couldnt save a beachball.
- sensnucksnocups

it show you didnt know, we knew...

who cares what he posts on facebook? does being a hockey player mean you arent allowed to have an opinion? its not like he's planning a murder and publishing it for all to see. he's a vezina candidate, who gives a poop what his political views are. i'd have george w bush as my goalie f he posted a shutout every game.
- sensnucksnocups

Well, yes, it does mean that.

You are a representation of your organization at all times. What you do and say is reflected upon your team.

And if he can't take the heat after posting stupid sh!t on his facebook, then either A, dont post it, or B, give up hockey.

nobody thought the leafs would finish that low, not even the bruins. you cant blame them for the trade they made, like i said earlier, it was a good trade at the time, but if i recall correctly, kessel was injured to start the season, and toskala couldnt save a beachball.
- sensnucksnocups

The other thing as well, even if TOR would have done the offer sheet and only given up 1 first rounder, I believe it would have still been Seguin.

But apparantly Seguin is turning into a 50 goal scorer before our eyes because really that is the only way he'll outdo Kessel.

nobody thought the leafs would finish that low, not even the bruins. you cant blame them for the trade they made, like i said earlier, it was a good trade at the time, but if i recall correctly, kessel was injured to start the season, and toskala couldnt save a beachball.
- sensnucksnocups

I think only Leafs fans think it was a "good trade at the time." Everyone else was thinking the price was WAY to steep. The Leafs were kidding themselves if they thought they were going to make the playoffs that year before the Kessel trade. They were primed to start the rebuild and stock the prospects cupboard. Instead, Burke being the genius he is, decided he could fast forward or skip the rebuild by trading away a bunch of picks. Bad trade at the time and a bad trade now.

So what has Ottawa had to cheer about? Seriously thou didn't really watch the all star game did the fans actually chant Wade Belak? That's messed if they did.
- bmoney411

President Throphe

So acquiring a 21 year old, 36 goal scorer is a bad recipe for a rebuild.

I think anyone arguing the Seguin/Kessel trade needs to realize just how young Kessel was and still is.
- leafs93

Wow someone who gets it

I think only Leafs fans think it was a "good trade at the time." Everyone else was thinking the price was WAY to steep. The Leafs were kidding themselves if they thought they were going to make the playoffs that year before the Kessel trade. They were primed to start the rebuild and stock the prospects cupboard. Instead, Burke being the genius he is, decided he could fast forward or skip the rebuild by trading away a bunch of picks. Bad trade at the time and a bad trade now.
- woopstash

Burke was on record saying he thought it would end up being a mid round pick.

As far as bad trade then and bad trade now, not really because Kessel is outscoring Seguin. Pure and simple. Any other argument is just speculation.

President Throphe
- -xXx-

Guess thats their stanley cup

Wow someone who gets it
- bmoney411

If someone agrees with you = they get it.

Got it.

Burke was on record saying he thought it would end up being a mid round pick.

As far as bad trade then and bad trade now, not really because Kessel is outscoring Seguin. Pure and simple. Any other argument is just speculation.
- leafs93

Great, another reason Burke is overrated. Completely over estimated his team. He thought they'd be fighting for a playoff spot before the Kessel trade. Not really "pure and simple." I think a lot of GMs would rather have Seguin and Hamilton than Kessel.

Guess thats their stanley cup
- bmoney411

better than your not making playoff we beat the champion majority of the time stanley cup...

I think only Leafs fans think it was a "good trade at the time." Everyone else was thinking the price was WAY to steep. The Leafs were kidding themselves if they thought they were going to make the playoffs that year before the Kessel trade. They were primed to start the rebuild and stock the prospects cupboard. Instead, Burke being the genius he is, decided he could fast forward or skip the rebuild by trading away a bunch of picks. Bad trade at the time and a bad trade now.
- woopstash

burke traded two firsts and a 2nd for a 21 year old coming of a 36 goal season. that is a fair deal, and it just so happened that the leafs bailed and those picks turned out high. the leafs werent expected to make the playoffs, but they also werent expected to finish that low.

Great, another reason Burke is overrated. Completely over estimated his team. He thought they'd be fighting for a playoff spot before the Kessel trade. Not really "pure and simple." I think a lot of GMs would rather have Seguin and Hamilton than Kessel.
- woopstash

If a lot of GMs would rather have Seguin and Hamilton, then they also would right now be losing that trade.

it show you didnt know, we knew...
- -xXx-

i'm glad we have so many guys who can predict the future. maybe you should replace chiarelli as gm, because even he stated he didnt know the picks would be that high.

better than your not making playoff we beat the champion majority of the time stanley cup...
- -xXx-

Ek?