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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
The Flyers need to get both offense and defense before the deadline. Everyone was hell bent on defense being the only priority but they need more offense as well.

I can't help but eye up the Ducks roster. (Selanne/ Ryan)

- Flyers2821


They need to upgrade the defense first. They have given up way to many goals this year. When the playoffs roll around you have to be able to win low scoring games. This team is very inconsistent and gives up too many goals per game.
Flyer_Nation71
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Your sister's house
Joined: 11.15.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
Must of missed that , darn!
- MJL


Yea...I guess you aren't as observant as you think. You look forward to my explanations like many look forward to yours...
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 8 @ 11:04 AM ET
Plus Jagr has looked pretty good playing with Schenn. I think that might be a good move and it frees up Giroux and Jagr a bit where teams can't focus on them at the same time. Creates better match ups.
- funmaster18


I wouldnt mind putting Jagr with Briere. Briere likes to go to the net... He can get Jagr to shhot more and pick up the rebounds, or at least break the perimeter passing that keeps going on.
Flyer_Nation71
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Your sister's house
Joined: 11.15.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:04 AM ET
Carle sturggled on a handful of shifts last night.
- MJL


way to go Captain obvious! Well done, sir.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:05 AM ET
Not having JvR hurts. This kid is suppose to be the face of the franchise along with Giroux once Carter and Richards were sent packing. The Flyers could really use him right now. Big power forward who can create havic all over the ice (when healthy).
- stveshdy


JvR is also one of the players, when he's on his game, drives the net from the wing and creates good scoring chances. As another poster mentioned earlier there is still too much east-west/perimeter looking of for the perfect pass kind of play and not enough simple north-south/crash the goal hockey.

Hartnell's been a little absent from around the net lately, too.

Missing Pronger's shot from the point continues to hurt.

RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
I thought he's looked great with Schenn when he's been moved to that line. I forget who the other linemate was, but the game that Jagr first came back from his latest groin injury he was buzzing on that second line.
- funmaster18


it was Matt Read, and they did look good offensively, but I think they struggled defensively.
Flyers4Life88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.07.2012

Feb 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
It seems that the flyers problems gradually change in a snowball effect way. They started the season off very well and then the D began to deteriorate but the scoring remained as a gleam of hope (Giroux and Jagr clicking, Read...) but now the scoring has ceased and the D is still Sh*tty. Carle is not only the softest player on the team but perhaps in the league. IMO, the scoring problem needs to be fixed first, (selanne? ryan?) both 20+ goals right now. Note in 2010 we rode Krajieck( who looked like a 3rd line d man for my high school team) all the way to game 6 of the cup. Having a bunch of average and below average capable scorers is not enough to get through the playoffs. I think a sniper would revive this offence, someone who can score from anywhere with their shot. i feel like the flyers wait for the most perfect chance to take a shot rather then just having faith in their own shooting ability. HIT THE NET!
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:08 AM ET
They need to upgrade the defense first. They have given up way to many goals this year. When the playoffs roll around you have to be able to win low scoring games. This team is very inconsistent and gives up too many goals per game.
- stveshdy


well, last night's game was a step in the right direction. they gave up none, and they shut down the leading scorer in the league since the new year. bryz had some very nice stops early and they got better as the game moved on, mostly because they had their skating legs and possessed the puck a ton. i was concerned by their haphazard start - again - at home.

not saying they don't need to upgrade the d. still didn't like bourdon's game very much (but i zipped through it on the dvr and didn't watch every second - so i probably missed some of his good play).

Flyers4Life88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.07.2012

Feb 8 @ 11:08 AM ET
JvR is also one of the players, when he's on his game, drives the net from the wing and creates good scoring chances. As another poster mentioned earlier there is still too much east-west/perimeter looking of for the perfect pass kind of play and not enough simple north-south/crash the goal hockey.

Hartnell's been a little absent from around the net lately, too.

Missing Pronger's shot from the point continues to hurt.

- hammarby31



"when he's on his game" You say that like it's a rare occurring event. They need someone thats on their game night in and night out. not just once a week
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:08 AM ET
It seems that the flyers problems gradually change in a snowball effect way. They started the season off very well and then the D began to deteriorate but the scoring remained as a gleam of hope (Giroux and Jagr clicking, Read...) but now the scoring has ceased and the D is still Sh*tty. Carle is not only the softest player on the team but perhaps in the league. IMO, the scoring problem needs to be fixed first, (selanne? ryan?) both 20+ goals right now. Note in 2010 we rode Krajieck( who looked like a 3rd line d man for my high school team) all the way to game 6 of the cup. Having a bunch of average and below average capable scorers is not enough to get through the playoffs. I think a sniper would revive this offence, someone who can score from anywhere with their shot. i feel like the flyers wait for the most perfect chance to take a shot rather then just having faith in their own shooting ability. HIT THE NET!
- Flyers4Life88

The number of shots last night would tend to argue against your point.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Feb 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
It seems that the flyers problems gradually change in a snowball effect way. They started the season off very well and then the D began to deteriorate but the scoring remained as a gleam of hope (Giroux and Jagr clicking, Read...) but now the scoring has ceased and the D is still Sh*tty. Carle is not only the softest player on the team but perhaps in the league. IMO, the scoring problem needs to be fixed first, (selanne? ryan?) both 20+ goals right now. Note in 2010 we rode Krajieck( who looked like a 3rd line d man for my high school team) all the way to game 6 of the cup. Having a bunch of average and below average capable scorers is not enough to get through the playoffs. I think a sniper would revive this offence, someone who can score from anywhere with their shot. i feel like the flyers wait for the most perfect chance to take a shot rather then just having faith in their own shooting ability. HIT THE NET!
- Flyers4Life88

If we get Selanne, Ryan and Weber, the cup is ours. DO IT HOMER.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
It seems that the flyers problems gradually change in a snowball effect way. They started the season off very well and then the D began to deteriorate but the scoring remained as a gleam of hope (Giroux and Jagr clicking, Read...) but now the scoring has ceased and the D is still Sh*tty. Carle is not only the softest player on the team but perhaps in the league. IMO, the scoring problem needs to be fixed first, (selanne? ryan?) both 20+ goals right now. Note in 2010 we rode Krajieck( who looked like a 3rd line d man for my high school team) all the way to game 6 of the cup. Having a bunch of average and below average capable scorers is not enough to get through the playoffs. I think a sniper would revive this offence, someone who can score from anywhere with their shot. i feel like the flyers wait for the most perfect chance to take a shot rather then just having faith in their own shooting ability. HIT THE NET!
- Flyers4Life88


Selanne isnt going anywhere cause he wants to stay in Anaheim. Ryan might not even be available anymore. In the playoffs you have to play defense as scoring bc less of a premium imo.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
Mmmmm, puck. I love puck.

bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
well, last night's game was a step in the right direction. they gave up none, and they shut down the leading scorer in the league since the new year. bryz had some very nice stops early and they got better as the game moved on, mostly because they had their skating legs and possessed the puck a ton. i was concerned by their haphazard start - again - at home.

not saying they don't need to upgrade the d. still didn't like bourdon's game very much (but i zipped through it on the dvr and didn't watch every second - so i probably missed some of his good play).

- hammarby31

Bourdon was scary early but had some nice shifts in the third.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:10 AM ET
Mmmmm, puck. I love puck.


- rockychocbill

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:12 AM ET
If we get Selanne, Ryan and Weber, the cup is ours. DO IT HOMER.
- feelingkettle


The chances of getting all three is about 0% and landing one is about 1% at this current time.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 8 @ 11:13 AM ET
it was Matt Read, and they did look good offensively, but I think they struggled defensively.
- RooNosHockey


Thanks. I can't remember if they struggled defensively, but some line tweaking could be in order.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:13 AM ET
It seems that the flyers problems gradually change in a snowball effect way. They started the season off very well and then the D began to deteriorate but the scoring remained as a gleam of hope (Giroux and Jagr clicking, Read...) but now the scoring has ceased and the D is still Sh*tty. Carle is not only the softest player on the team but perhaps in the league. IMO, the scoring problem needs to be fixed first, (selanne? ryan?) both 20+ goals right now. Note in 2010 we rode Krajieck( who looked like a 3rd line d man for my high school team) all the way to game 6 of the cup. Having a bunch of average and below average capable scorers is not enough to get through the playoffs. I think a sniper would revive this offence, someone who can score from anywhere with their shot. i feel like the flyers wait for the most perfect chance to take a shot rather then just having faith in their own shooting ability. HIT THE NET!
- Flyers4Life88


they have plenty of offense and i don't know they need a true "sniper" - besides, who's really available anyway in that category? their problem is they often don't create second chances - much of the time because they fail to get to rebounds cleanly. they always seem a step away or a puck bounces over a stick. i'm astounded by the amount of times they hit the goaiie square in the middle. giroux did it again last night on his mini-breakaway. i know he didn't have much time and space, but nabakov was extremely deep in the net and left BOTH corners wide open as he moved across and went into a narrow butterfly. giroux put it straight into him. just one example from last night.

missing pronger also hurts in getting shots through and a chance at loose change. meszaros is the only one who can really wire it from the back end. the rest get a tone of their shots blocked. they don't have to be howitzer's...they need to find seams.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
If we get Selanne, Ryan and Weber, the cup is ours. DO IT HOMER.
- feelingkettle


RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
It seems that the flyers problems gradually change in a snowball effect way. They started the season off very well and then the D began to deteriorate but the scoring remained as a gleam of hope (Giroux and Jagr clicking, Read...) but now the scoring has ceased and the D is still Sh*tty. Carle is not only the softest player on the team but perhaps in the league. IMO, the scoring problem needs to be fixed first, (selanne? ryan?) both 20+ goals right now. Note in 2010 we rode Krajieck( who looked like a 3rd line d man for my high school team) all the way to game 6 of the cup. Having a bunch of average and below average capable scorers is not enough to get through the playoffs. I think a sniper would revive this offence, someone who can score from anywhere with their shot. i feel like the flyers wait for the most perfect chance to take a shot rather then just having faith in their own shooting ability. HIT THE NET!
- Flyers4Life88


I think they just need Lavi to remind these guys that if you shoot from the perimeter you need someone in front of the net for rebounds. 93% of the time, the first shot gets saved, no matter how good it is. Drive the net, create rebounds... Then your passing game will open up.

I think Jack Johnson might be a good pick up if your just giving up a Second and Voracek... A shot from the point is good, play him with Timonen. And then maybe get Gill from Montreal for a 3rd. Maybe you can move Carle for cap and Get Selannie...

JVR-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Selannie
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Read-Talbot-Rinaldo

Timonen-Johnson
Gill-Coburn
Meszaros-Gusteffson
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:17 AM ET

- funmaster18

Next will be asking Homer to acquire Lundqvist.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 11:18 AM ET
The chances of getting all three is about 0% and landing one is about 1% at this current time.
- stveshdy


RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 8 @ 11:18 AM ET
The number of shots last night would tend to argue against your point.
- bodiva88


Thier shots were from the perimeter, or telegraphed passes to the slot. Nabakov saw most of those shots... If good goalies can see the shot, most are going to stop them.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
"when he's on his game" You say that like it's a rare occurring event. They need someone thats on their game night in and night out. not just once a week
- Flyers4Life88


yes, we do. a big part of him "being on his game" is being healthy. he hasn't been this year, so we haven't seen a lot of the Jvr we saw against boston last year. JvR is also still very young and growing as a player. Players of his size often take time to mature. What is he, 22/23? He's a baby.

Simmonds can play that type of driving the net game, and so can Hartnell. Some of the younger/newer guys like Read, Coots, Harry Z., and Rinaldo can also play that way. Voracek's a bull on the puck, but hasn't had a ton to show for it.

More than anything, I think it's a mindset. They have to choose what type of game they're going to play.

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
I think they just need Lavi to remind these guys that if you shoot from the perimeter you need someone in front of the net for rebounds. 93% of the time, the first shot gets saved, no matter how good it is. Drive the net, create rebounds... Then your passing game will open up.

I think Jack Johnson might be a good pick up if your just giving up a Second and Voracek... A shot from the point is good, play him with Timonen. And then maybe get Gill from Montreal for a 3rd. Maybe you can move Carle for cap and Get Selannie...

JVR-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Selannie
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Read-Talbot-Rinaldo

Timonen-Johnson
Gill-Coburn
Meszaros-Gusteffson

- RooNosHockey


Will have to find another forward cause Selanne isnt being traded, he wont allow it as he wants to play in Anaheim and only there.
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