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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 12:54 PM ET
Depends on what your getting back, but I would say the only untradeable is Giroux...

I would only include Schenn or Couturier in a deal for Weber, Nash, or Ryan.

I would only include JVR for a deal for L.Schenn and Toronto's first or in a deal with Ryan.

I would include Simmonds, Voracek, or Read in a deal for Iginla, Suter, or Jack Johnson.

I would send picks for Gill, Selannie, Jones or Ruu2.

It all depends on the return. But I would give up 2 forwards and picks to land 1 good defenseman and a scorer at the very least.

- RooNosHockey



I would not include Couturier in a deal for Ryan or Nash. No way. Nor would I trade any of the Flyers young player for Iginla.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 12:54 PM ET
It would help if the hosts on that station had some knowledge of the sport and could name more than the top line, first two defensemen and goalie without an intern looking it up.
- JoeRussomanno


I love when they say "the Flyers will make a deal for Suter or Weber" like its a given.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 12:55 PM ET
I think he's horrible in the shootout but his team is unable to get one past the other goalie which is worse b.c the advantage goes to the shooter in those situations.
- JoeRussomanno

still wonder how big off a payoff belechek got
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 12:56 PM ET
I've never seen it so quiet at this point in the season ...calm before the storm
- keatondixon


Some teams are on the bubble. You wouldn't think Ottawa would be sellers a month ago, but their recent swoon has put a different spin on things maybe. I think teams are holding out as long as possible to see where they'll be at the TDL.

Plus, I think the asking prices thrown around last month turned off a lot of GM's.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 8 @ 12:56 PM ET
One and a half, and what makes you think Weber wouldnt resign? Its a gamble, but its not a high risk gamble that your making it out to be. Besides, it's worthless to debate since I HIGHLY doubt Weber gets traded... I was just saying that it would take players of the Calibur for me to trade Schenn or Couturier.
- RooNosHockey



Im betting Weber will want the max and get it from someone. If it is the Flyers, they basically have to blow up the team to fit him. And then we become Nashville. Its just an opinion, but adding Weber will severely cut in to the depth this team ices right now.

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 12:56 PM ET
Ferraro was on local radio this morning as usual. He was speaking with two GM's yesterday and they told him things are very, very quiet right now. Most teams are having their pro scout meetings and making decisions on what they need.

I'd expect to see things start heating up next week.

- rockychocbill

I can decide what we need. (frank)ING DEFENSE COME ON HOMER JUST WATCH THE GAME
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 12:57 PM ET
I think he's horrible in the shootout but his team is unable to get one past the other goalie which is worse b.c the advantage goes to the shooter in those situations.
- JoeRussomanno


Shooters only score 1/3 of the time on average.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 8 @ 12:57 PM ET
Once a team has the puck established in the offensive zone, there really is no system. That is when the players creativity comes into play, and taking what is available. They can rely on scouting reports and strategies for individual games, against certain Goalies and defensive strategies that other teams use. There is no such thing as using a system too much.
- MJL


The Flyers shoot and pass from the perimeter too much, and dont drive the net enough. Teams know this, so they are always looking to break up the pass up the boards, and across ice. They are also aware of how much they use the drop pass, and how usually if a player is on a break, they will wait for the trailer to shoot. There are systems and set plays, even when they are in the offensive zone... Please see the example of Hartnell moving to the hasmarks in the faceoff circle. Its a set play, Hartnell moves there, Giroux and Jagr try to get it to him....
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 8 @ 12:58 PM ET
It agrivates me they call themselves 4 for 4....
- RooNosHockey

Yea it's total hypocrisy. When the Flyers were tearing it up early in the season, the sixers hadn't started their season, the Phillies choked themselves out of the playoffs and the Eagles showed why they have never have won a superbowl but who was the least talked about team?

The Flyers lost Giroux to a concussion in december I tune in to 610 because I'm trying to hear what is going on b/c I'm on the road that whole day, instead we are talking about the Dontrelle willis signing ALL (frank)ING DAY! The best player out of all 4 teams is about to be lost possibly for the season and you just want to talk about some bullpen move that has no impact on the phillies season. really? After about two hours of this and only a newsbreak that announced Giroux was lost to a head injury I turned it off and was content to listen to my mp3 and wait till I got home.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Feb 8 @ 12:59 PM ET
Please see the example of Hartnell moving to the hasmarks in the faceoff circle. Its a set play, Hartnell moves there, Giroux and Jagr try to get it to him....
- RooNosHockey


Worked against the Bruins a couple of games ago.n
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 8 @ 12:59 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."


That's comforting
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
I can decide what we need. (frank)ING DEFENSE COME ON HOMER JUST WATCH THE GAME
- 2Real


Yup. Us and about 25 other teams. Even the Hawks need D help now. I really doubt Homer does much before the TDL. The price will be too high I think.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
It agrivates me they call themselves 4 for 4....
- RooNosHockey


All I hear is Ant' saying "Can't wait for pitchers and catchers" like there is nothing else going on right now.
keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."


That's comforting

- funmaster18

Great thing to hear from your 51 million dollar goaltender...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:01 PM ET
The Flyers shoot and pass from the perimeter too much, and dont drive the net enough. Teams know this, so they are always looking to break up the pass up the boards, and across ice. They are also aware of how much they use the drop pass, and how usually if a player is on a break, they will wait for the trailer to shoot. There are systems and set plays, even when they are in the offensive zone... Please see the example of Hartnell moving to the hasmarks in the faceoff circle. Its a set play, Hartnell moves there, Giroux and Jagr try to get it to him....
- RooNosHockey



There are set plays such as off of offensive zone draws and on the PP. But shooting from the perimeter and not driving the net isn't the Flyers system. And the Flyers aren't using set plays on every rush or every puck cycle. What your seeing from teams like the Islander last night collapsing around the Goalie, and same for the Rangers, is not a style of play they use just for the Flyers. It is their defensive style of play game in and game out.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."


That's comforting

- funmaster18


He could always do this in a real game, you know--KNOCK some sense into his own D-men.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."

That's comforting

- funmaster18



Actually it is. At least he admits its an issue.

rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."


That's comforting

- funmaster18


He actually said that? Wow. This team is more Seravallie'd in the head right now than I thought.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
I would not include Couturier in a deal for Ryan or Nash. No way. Nor would I trade any of the Flyers young player for Iginla.
- MJL

+1
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:03 PM ET
+1
- BulliesPhan87

+2
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:03 PM ET
All I hear is Ant' saying "Can't wait for pitchers and catchers" like there is nothing else going on right now.
- funmaster18

Yea and he had no problem mugging the camera in the Broad Street Bully HBO documentary OMFG makes me sick
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:04 PM ET
Actually it is. At least he admits its an issue.
- MBFlyerfan


Not publicly though.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 8 @ 1:05 PM ET
Yea and he had no problem mugging the camera in the Broad Street Bully HBO documentary OMFG makes me sick
- JoeRussomanno


Gargano is a monkey in clothes. First member of his family to walk upright. I cant listen to him, every time I hear "its a violation" I want to run over school children with my truck.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:05 PM ET
There are set plays such as off of offensive zone draws and on the PP. But shooting from the perimeter and not driving the net isn't the Flyers system. And the Flyers aren't using set plays on every rush or every puck cycle. What your seeing from teams like the Islander last night collapsing around the Goalie, and same for the Rangers, is not a style of play they use just for the Flyers. It is their defensive style of play game in and game out.
- MJL


Yup, and the Flyers cant beat that defensive system with thier offensive system. They need to mix it up, so the Islanders and Rangers will mix up thier defense. It called adjusting in-game... If something isnt working, you dont keep doing it, hoping for different results... The coach needs to say... They are taking away the passing lanes, get to the net, and send pucks in from the point... Get the rebounds... Then the Rangers will expand the box, to cover the defense's shots and open it up for passes... That's what needs to change.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:08 PM ET
Gargano is a monkey in clothes. First member of his family to walk upright. I cant listen to him, every time I hear "its a violation" I want to run over school children with my truck.
- MBFlyerfan


He lost it when a guy called in saying he was a huge Flyers fan, sort of watched phillies and sixers, but didn't watch the Eagles. He said he didn't root against them, just wasn't a big football guy. Thought Ant' was going to have a heart attack.
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