Let me go back and read where I said that the goal wasn't his fault....hmmm nope, can't find it anywhere.

So maybe you should actually read what I wrote. There's a cause and effect for everything. If you want to blame one player for the sins of the team, feel free. You look foolish, but hey, knock yourself out.

Bryzgalov did come up small. So did Giroux. And Jagr. And Carle. And Hartnell. And Meszaros.

But hey, it's all Bryz's fault, because that's easier.
- Jsaquella

The issue is those other guys came up small in a come back bid AFTER Bryz dug them a hole.

Nope your wrong my good man, the fact that Bryz can drink some of his fine Russian Vodka is most unacceptable


Yes I know he doesnt drink, its sarcasm dammit!
- bigmookalookie

You are a beauty Mookie!

getting tense in here...

Pretty sure they didn't go get Giroux in the offseason to stop pucks. Giroux was drafted and blossomed into a great player. The Flyers went after Bryz before he was even a free agent because he was "the guy". Giroux is a 3rd year player. BIG difference.
- funmaster18

Not a big difference in my opinion. Giroux is being hyped as one of the best players in the League and a Hart Trophy candidate. Along with that praise comes the responsibility of leading and playing the right wasy game in and game out. He hasn't been doing that. And his defensvie shortcomings, along with the rest of the team is a big issue. As big an issue as the goaltending.

getting tense in here...
- Crimsoninja

Now I finally understand both sides after sitting back and just reading.

Was Bryz brought in to make those kind of saves when the team breaks down?
- funmaster18

Yes he was. What makes you believe that I think that Bryzgalov doesn't deserve criticism for his play yesterday?

We here all the time that the Goalie is supposed to erase the mistakes made. That's true. Here's what else I know. When a player such as Carle makes a mistake like he did there, and there is no support from the rest of the players on the ice, that's the same thing. And if all the other issues on that play are ignored, then that is indeed tunnel vision, and not seeing the total picture. Good teams just don't do that as much as the Flyers do. They play too much as individuals, and not as a team at times. And make no mistake about it, I'm not excusing Carle in any way. It was piss poor decision on his part, that led to a goal.
- MJL

MJL,

I hear you. I agree the support wasn't there.

I am not killing Carle, I was just talking about the poor decision and regardless of the support it was still a bad decision. That isn't tunnel vision.

I still Think Carle is a damn good D-man.

Every player in the league makes mistakes, and my criticism of Carle doesn't change the fact that I think Carle is a damn good D-man.

Not a big difference in my opinion. Giroux is being hyped as one of the best players in the League and a Hart Trophy candidate. Along with that praise comes the responsibility of leading and playing the right wasy game in and game out. He hasn't been doing that. And his defensvie shortcomings, along with the rest of the team is a big issue. As big an issue as the goaltending.
- MJL

My whole point is about Bryz not playing as well as he can. Others can play better too, but I'm not talking about them right now. I'm also not saying that team play isn't a big factor with the Flyers struggle right now. What I am saying is if Bryz plays better and stops letting in softies, then the team will have a better chance at winning some of these close games.

getting tense in here...
- Crimsoninja

So take off all your clothes


ohhh, wait...

Wrong song

The issue is those other guys came up small in a come back bid AFTER Bryz dug them a hole.
- funmaster18

TEAM defense is horrible right now and both goalies are not coming up with the make or break saves that can be turned into glorious scoring chances. How many times have you seen the opposing goalie ____ insert name, make a great save and they skate down and score?

Are they a Cup contender? Sure why the he!! not, as long as you can make it to the dance, anything can happen. You just have to get hot at the right time.

Criticizing Giroux is now where things are going.... Hilarious.

Let's all criticize Giroux, and defend Carle, Shelley, and Bryzgalov at every turn.

did he pull Rolfe's hair?
- jimbro83

What am I under interrigatiom? The issue I raised wasn't whether or not he pulled Rolf's hair. You said the only way he won fights is by pulling hair and that is simply not true.

where there suppose to be in the neutral zone... its all on carle that was such a bad pass everyone was prolly shocked.. im sorry thats on carle... you cant say where was the team they were coming out of the zone either they were standing still or heading up the ice goin the other way
- Slammed81

That is incorrect. They aren't supposed to be in the Neutral zone. Couturier was going for a line change, and the other two forwards were on the offensive side of the red line, before the puck was even oout of the Flyers defensive zone. That is not supporting the puck and playing as a team.

Criticizing Giroux is now where things are going.... Hilarious.

Let's all criticize Giroux, and defend Carle, Shelley, and Bryzgalov at every turn.
- PLindbergh31

"Giants Suck".

The issue is those other guys came up small in a come back bid AFTER Bryz dug them a hole.
- funmaster18

Giroux missed the empty net when it was 1-0.

Bryz has played under his expactations all year. Everything you mentioned above doesn't affect Bryz's positioning and decision making. No one is saying Bryz is a failure, or that he should be traded, simply that he needs to be the guy we thought we were getting.

I'm focusing on the goalie because in the end, he stops the puck. Regardless of what break downs there may be, he has to make some key saves and steal you games some times and I haven't really seen that.
- funmaster18

I know. Which is why I was concerned when he looked flat against Detroit in last spring's playoffs.

I am simply trying to make light of the silliness. I wish they would have gone with Bob and a backup this season, but we have what we have.

Criticizing Giroux is now where things are going.... Hilarious.

Let's all criticize Giroux, and defend Carle, Shelley, and Bryzgalov at every turn.
- PLindbergh31

There is alot of fingerpointing going around. The first thing the Flyers need to do is look in the mirror. Everyone is to blame. Its a team game and mistakes happen, no team plays perfect every single game. Others have to step up and make plays and this team will be just fine.

"Giants Suck".
- hockeylover

9-1 in NFC Championship games, and Super Bowls. I have truly been spoiled by a first class winning franchise.

Well I gotta go to work, everyone have a splendid day.

Criticizing Giroux is now where things are going.... Hilarious.

Let's all criticize Giroux, and defend Carle, Shelley, and Bryzgalov at every turn.
- PLindbergh31

I don't think anyone has been defending Bryz at every turn. I think people are just annoyed when people try to place an entire loss on the goalie's shoulder. Just like people want to point out the Flyers' record with Shelley in the lineup and say that he's a direct influence in the record.

People love to pick and choose stats to support their argument, but rarely look at the big picture. We know that Bryz let in a few soft goals yesterday, and he was brought in to erase those back-breakers. For that, he should be criticized. But to say he lost the game is more or less stating that you know very little about the game of hockey and are complacent with making the most simplistic analysis in order to avoid criticizing the team as a whole.

That is incorrect. They aren't supposed to be in the Neutral zone. Couturier was going for a line change, and the other two forwards were on the offensive side of the red line, before the puck was even oout of the Flyers defensive zone. That is not supporting the puck and playing as a team.
- MJL

where should they be then?? it wasnt like carle was being hounded by a ranger... go back and look at that play it was horrible play by carle im not bashing carle in any way he just made a horrible play it happens but u cant stick up for the guy i know u love the guy but cmon that was a bad play it happens... you can deflect the blame to his linemates on that... turnover at the blue lines will always kill you for this reason everyone is goin a different direction or standing still... goes for both blue line.. Carle was at the top of the circle so how the heck are they not suppose to be in the neutral zone and if Coutter was goin for a line change then he def should have tried to make that pass

My whole point is about Bryz not playing as well as he can. Others can play better too, but I'm not talking about them right now. I'm also not saying that team play isn't a big factor with the Flyers struggle right now. What I am saying is if Bryz plays better and stops letting in softies, then the team will have a better chance at winning some of these close games.
- funmaster18

Your entitled to focus on whatever you want to. I'm looking at the entire team and complete situation, and know that if they ever want to be a top team, they need more then just Bryzgalov to play better.

Criticizing Giroux is now where things are going.... Hilarious.

Let's all criticize Giroux, and defend Carle, Shelley, and Bryzgalov at every turn.
- PLindbergh31

No, it's simply laying blame where it belongs, not just simply heaping it on one scapegoat because we're intelligent enough to recognize that even though a player has played great for much of the season, he's capable of having a bad stretch.

You see what a rational, intelligent person does is look at the whole situation, and blames who he feels played poorly, rather than just be a moron and saying "Bryzgalov sucks" or "Carle Sucks".

Rational people can blame those who play poorly, even if it's for one game, because they can see the good and bad aspects of each player.

Giroux missed the empty net when it was 1-0.
- Jsaquella

Didn't Henrik get a stick on that?

Your entitled to focus on whatever you want to. I'm looking at the entire team and complete situation, and know that if they ever want to be a top team, they need more then just Bryzgalov to play better.
- MJL

That's obvious, but it doesn't mean I can't be frustrated with a goalie signed for 9 years. I have never once said the whole team doesn't need to play better. I'm talking about Bryz here and that's it, because he's been the most inconsistent, IMO.

No, it's simply laying blame where it belongs, not just simply heaping it on one scapegoat because we're intelligent enough to recognize that even though a player has played great for much of the season, he's capable of having a bad stretch.

You see what a rational, intelligent person does is look at the whole situation, and blames who he feels played poorly, rather than just be a moron and saying "Bryzgalov sucks" or "Carle Sucks".

Rational people can blame those who play poorly, even if it's for one game, because they can see the good and bad aspects of each player.
- Jsaquella

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