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bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:20 PM ET
You don't trade a player like JVR just because it will get you the most in return. You trade if him if doing so makes your team better. Hell Giroux would get you the most in return. Should they trade him?
- MJL

If it helps the team then YES!
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:21 PM ET
Up until the whole hercule guy and them other seravallitards showed up iwas okay with the ocassional lame sideshow act. They needed to keep the weaklings they killed off dead too. Don't know why bringing them back so they could stand around and gasp in fear like they were holding a turd was productive to the show, and Im back to not kidding.
- JoeRussomanno

Bastard, you keed than not keed. you keeeeeeeeeeeling me
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:21 PM ET
Up until the whole hercule guy and them other seravallitards showed up iwas okay with the ocassional lame sideshow act. They needed to keep the weaklings they killed off dead too. Don't know why bringing them back so they could stand around and gasp in fear like they were holding a turd was productive to the show, and Im back to not kidding.
- JoeRussomanno

yup!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 5 @ 11:21 PM ET
yes which is crazy i doubt either one will be moved imo...might as well wait... JVR is the only guy i trade not because i hate em i just feel hes the guy who will give u the most in return imo
- Slammed81


To me, it's not a matter of moving anyone, it's about improving the team. If they can't get a deal done without overpaying, I'm fine with standing pat. Far worse than making no deal is making a bad one.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:22 PM ET
You don't trade a player like JVR just because it will get you the most in return. You trade if him if doing so makes your team better. Hell Giroux would get you the most in return. Should they trade him?
- MJL


well i would think that would be homers idea if he trades jvr to make the team better
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 5 @ 11:23 PM ET

2nd best cartoon of all time behind the 80's transformers

- JoeRussomanno


(yes, I do have a gif for everything)
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:23 PM ET
Bastard, you keed than not keed. you keeeeeeeeeeeling me
- bigmookalookie

Oh well its better than the other name I heard all weekend from my wife now I'm kidding, kinda
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 11:23 PM ET
well i would think that would be homers idea if he trades jvr to make the team better
- Slammed81


Well then that's why you decide to trade a player. You don't decide to trade a player just because you'll get a good return.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:23 PM ET
To me, it's not a matter of moving anyone, it's about improving the team. If they can't get a deal done without overpaying, I'm fine with standing pat. Far worse than making no deal is making a bad one.
- Jsaquella


yea im not sayin trade jvr but i'd be listenin ,,,, J.Johnson no
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:24 PM ET
Well then that's why you decide to trade a player. You don't decide to trade a player just because you'll get a good return.
- MJL


what happens when that good return helps ur team
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:24 PM ET
The key was that New England only had 1 time out. Say they stop Bradshaw. They burn their time out. The Giants take a knee twice, run the clock down to 2 seconds, then kick a field goal and Brady doesn't get a shot to win.

It's noble to say that teams in the past wouldn't have let him score out of pride, but it's also foolish, given the clock, field position and situation. When the other team can run the clock down to nothing and kick what is basically an extra point with no time left to win, you want the ball back ASAP.

- Jsaquella



I understand the strategy, but I have a hard time watching them open the field from the 5 with 1 minute left, if thats the case why wouldn't they have let them score from the 20-25 with 2 pr 3 minutes left?
what would be different? I can't see a pro league handing another team a free score for getting the ball back, it's jaded
Downeaster
Joined: 01.03.2007

Feb 5 @ 11:24 PM ET
i'm so angry i can't see straight.

all i can hope for is the giants to lose tonight.

- hammarby31


Keep hoping.

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:25 PM ET
yup!
- bigmookalookie

Oh and I have almost every season on DVD which is a great way to spend time with my 5 y/o on a rainy day-watching old kick ass cartoons. Have every Transformers on dvd too (original series). Yes I will watch them by myself sometimes and I'm not kidding.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 5 @ 11:25 PM ET
what happens when that good return helps ur team
- Slammed81



Then your making the deal because it makes your team better.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 5 @ 11:25 PM ET
yea im not sayin trade jvr but i'd be listenin ,,,, J.Johnson no
- Slammed81


To me, Jack Johnson makes no sense unless you know you can't keep Carle. If Carle's demanding $5.75mm and there's no middle ground, fine.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:25 PM ET
Oh well its better than the other name I heard all weekend from my wife now I'm kidding, kinda
- JoeRussomanno

LOL, Flippy floppy. I like it
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:26 PM ET
Oh and I have almost every season on DVD which is a great way to spend time with my 5 y/o on a rainy day-watching old kick ass cartoons. Have every Transformers on dvd too (original series). Yes I will watch them by myself sometimes and I'm not kidding.
- JoeRussomanno

True cartoons now a days suck, and IM NOT KIDDING
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 5 @ 11:26 PM ET
Oh and I have almost every season on DVD which is a great way to spend time with my 5 y/o on a rainy day-watching old kick ass cartoons. Have every Transformers on dvd too (original series). Yes I will watch them by myself sometimes and I'm not kidding.
- JoeRussomanno

It could be worse, there are whole communities of grown men on the internet who watch and idolize the new My Little Pony cartoon.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:27 PM ET
Then your making the deal because it makes your team better.
- MJL

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 5 @ 11:27 PM ET
To me, it's not a matter of moving anyone, it's about improving the team. If they can't get a deal done without overpaying, I'm fine with standing pat. Far worse than making no deal is making a bad one.
- Jsaquella


Homer is going to make whatever deal he feels is necessary. We may agree or disagree but Homer is going to make a trade that he feels will improve the team.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:30 PM ET
The key was that New England only had 1 time out. Say they stop Bradshaw. They burn their time out. The Giants take a knee twice, run the clock down to 2 seconds, then kick a field goal and Brady doesn't get a shot to win.

It's noble to say that teams in the past wouldn't have let him score out of pride, but it's also foolish, given the clock, field position and situation. When the other team can run the clock down to nothing and kick what is basically an extra point with no time left to win, you want the ball back ASAP.

- Jsaquella

This is one of the few times I disagree with you Jsaq. I understand what you are saying, but I'll let leonidas tell you how i feel
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 5 @ 11:30 PM ET
I understand the strategy, but I have a hard time watching them open the field from the 5 with 1 minute left, if thats the case why wouldn't they have let them score from the 20-25 with 2 pr 3 minutes left?
what would be different? I can't see a pro league handing another team a free score for getting the ball back, it's jaded

- puckhead17


Because that far out there's a lot that can go wrong with the kick. Look at the AFC Championship game-all pro kicker missed a 28 yarder. Also, from the 25, there's a chance they could pass. Passing gives you a chance at a pick. Hell they could even fumble.

But at that point, from the 5 yard line, with one time out and 1 minute left, there's no choice. You can play for pride and hand them the win, or let them score and count on Brady and the offense to get the TD.

If the Pats tackled him, before he scored, the game is over and they lose. It's like chess. The Pats sacrificed their Queen to buy a chance to capture the Giants' King.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Feb 5 @ 11:30 PM ET
Homer is going to make whatever deal he feels is necessary. We may agree or disagree but Homer is going to make a trade that he feels will improve the team.
- stveshdy

People disagree on these boards? No never!!!!!
-__- <---- as you can see no sarcasm............ or is there sarcasm... hmmm
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 5 @ 11:31 PM ET
Homer is going to make whatever deal he feels is necessary. We may agree or disagree but Homer is going to make a trade that he feels will improve the team.
- stveshdy


I'm sure. What I'm saying is that making a bad deal, just for the sake of making a deal, is stupid.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 5 @ 11:32 PM ET
This is one of the few times I disagree with you Jsaq. I understand what you are saying, but I'll let leonidas tell you how i feel

- JoeRussomanno


I'll put it another way-if they don't let Bradshaw score, then they lose without getting the ball back. Either way they lose. Better to lose with Brady on the field than standing on the sidelines
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