Luke Schenn plays in Toronto and was hailed as the team's future Scott Stevens...think that's not pressure?

Both JvR and Schenn are young players and both have had ups and downs, taken steps forward and back. I think JvR has a higher ceiling, but I also feel that Schenn is more capable of reaching his ceiling.
- Jsaquella

If Luke Schenn is being hailed as the next Scott Stevens, he's not doing that great a job. Schenn not near the nasty player Stevens. Sure you can't say "Give Him Time" but this is Schenn's fourth season and being nasty isn't something that should be taught.

Let take a look at the big picture. Chris Pronger could never play again, Kimmo Timonen has one more year on his contract before possible retirement. Then you have Matt Carle possibly moving on. That leaves Meszaros, Coburn and then you've traded for Luke Schenn. Many want Shea Weber but from my point of view, we're looking forced to go after Ryan Suter to fill some pretty big holes.

Suter, Meszaros, Coburn and Schenn.

Is everyone okay with this? Keep in mind that it isn't impossible that Suter doesn't come running towards Philadelphia. With this said though, we now have a huge gaping hole with JvR not being here anymore.

And of course Burke knows to get value, you have to give value.
- MJL

Exactly. Schenn is a nice chip to offer, because guy who project as he does are not easy to get. Good size, phyiscal, decent mobility, right handed shot good rep as a leader-there's a lot to like.

Is he worth JvR straight up? I'd prefer more moving parts and think that JvR has a higher ceiling, so I'd like to see more coming back to Philly.

I have heard that they are frustrated by Kadri's slow progress, but Schenn hasn't been soured on, he's just the easiest to move(Gardiner and Aulie are cheap, & Komisarek has a NTC)

Also, according to Dreger, it's Burke who wants JvR and is "desperate" to make a deal. I'll trust Dreger before Bill Watters.
- Jsaquella

You just make me pony up if he wants JVR this bad. If he doesn't you don't move him.

If Luke Schenn is being hailed as the next Scott Stevens, he's not doing that great a job. Schenn not near the nasty player Stevens. Sure you can't say "Give Him Time" but this is Schenn's fourth season and being nasty isn't something that should be taught.

Let take a look at the big picture. Chris Pronger could never play again, Kimmo Timonen has one more year on his contract before possible retirement. Then you have Matt Carle possibly moving on. That leaves Meszaros, Coburn and then you've traded for Luke Schenn. Many want Shea Weber but from my point of view, we're looking forced to go after Ryan Suter to fill some pretty big holes.

Suter, Meszaros, Coburn and Schenn.

Is everyone okay with this? Keep in mind that it isn't impossible that Suter doesn't come running towards Philadelphia.
- Schenn2shine

If they add Schenn they can probably keep Carle, and then use Timonen's money to go after Weber as a UFA.

How does Weber, Carle, Coburn, Schenn, Meszaros sound?

You just make me pony up if he wants JVR this bad. If he doesn't you don't move him.
- ob18

Exactly. You want JvR, here's my price. Not willing to go that high? Call me when you are.

Don't need to be close to the situation to know that teams don't sour on a young player taken with a high draft pick that quickly. Burke is not a fool. He is a smart Hockey man.

If they feel Kadri is a Center and they have a bigger need for a natural Winger. Then that is using an asset to get an asset at a position of need. That's not souring on a player.
- MJL

your just speculating based on less info than others mentioned here. I'm simply relaying what I heard and you're in a huff over what I don't know. I think your original thought that we aren't the best match as trading partners made the most sense. good nite.

If they add Schenn they can probably keep Carle, and then use Timonen's money to go after Weber as a UFA.

How does Weber, Carle, Coburn, Schenn, Meszaros sound?
- Jsaquella

The risk there now is, what are the chances that Weber makes it to free agency without a team trading for him and working on negotiations. Of course this is assuming that Nashville doesn't re-sign him. Also with JvR gone, he leaves a giant gaping hole at forward.

The risk there now is, what are the chances that Weber makes it to free agency without a team trading for him and working on negotiations. Of course this is assuming that Nashville doesn't re-sign him. Also with JvR gone, he leaves a giant gaping hole at forward.
- Schenn2shine

There's more depth at forward than there is on defense right now. There's always a risk that you won't get a free agent. But at the same time, you have to adjust your needs based on what's available.

And I like JvR, I would not be happy at trading him for Schenn, straight up. I think he has a higher ceiling, although I think Schenn has a better shot at fully reaching his ceiling

The risk there now is, what are the chances that Weber makes it to free agency without a team trading for him and working on negotiations. Of course this is assuming that Nashville doesn't re-sign him. Also with JvR gone, he leaves a giant gaping hole at forward.
- Schenn2shine

Well who knows Weber is still an RFA for 1 more season so if he is intent on getting to UFA then the odds are high.

There's more depth at forward than there is on defense right now. There's always a risk that you won't get a free agent. But at the same time, you have to adjust your needs based on what's available.

And I like JvR, I would not be happy at trading him for Schenn, straight up. I think he has a higher ceiling, although I think Schenn has a better shot at fully reaching his ceiling
- Jsaquella

It would be pretty great to have Weber and Schenn both on the blue line but I think that's a little too good to be true.

your just speculating based on less info than others mentioned here. I'm simply relaying what I heard and you're in a huff over what I don't know. I think your original thought that we aren't the best match as trading partners made the most sense. good nite.
- isaiah520

I'm not in a huff about anything. I'm commenting on what you heard, and haven't made a single comment about what you don't know, or anything close to that. Clearly I was replying on Watter's statements that you posted you heard. I have plenty of info available that a team isn't going to "sour" on a player that is in the 2nd year of his EL deal, and was drafted 7th overall, after 49 NHL games.

It would be pretty great to have Weber and Schenn both on the blue line but I think that's a little too good to be true.
- Schenn2shine

Just a possibility. Schenn is signed to a fairly cap friendly deal for a guy that is 22 and has his potential. He's going to be getting about $1mm less than JvR.

I'm not going to worry about two summers from now, because there's literally a million different things that could happen.

Just a possibility. Schenn is signed to a fairly cap friendly deal for a guy that is 22 and has his potential. He's going to be getting about $1mm less than JvR.

I'm not going to worry about two summers from now, because there's literally a million different things that could happen.
- Jsaquella

I get that but a trade for Luke Schenn for JvR takes away from the forward depth right now.

There's more depth at forward than there is on defense right now. There's always a risk that you won't get a free agent. But at the same time, you have to adjust your needs based on what's available.

And I like JvR, I would not be happy at trading him for Schenn, straight up. I think he has a higher ceiling, although I think Schenn has a better shot at fully reaching his ceiling
- Jsaquella

THIS THIS THIS

right now both Matt Read and Wayne Simmonds are projected to surpass JvR's points and goals totals last year. we have some serious young depth at forward.

you asked the question if you're ok w/ those dmen and schenn...what about those projected dmen you mentioned MINUS Schenn and replacing him with BOURDON?

i've never been shy to say i really like Schenn on D. i feel like a few weeks ago i popped in to say the same thing.

i just hope they do or don't make this deal already so we can stop talking about it

I get that but a trade for Luke Schenn for JvR takes away from the forward depth right now.
- Schenn2shine

But, right now, there's more forward depth-by far-than defense depth.

But, right now, there's more forward depth-by far-than defense depth.
- Jsaquella

If you can get a good return for JVR, You make the deal. We can trade JVR and not get hurt, where if we got schenn and Kadri or another prospect we add to the depth and get a young Dman signed for quite awhile. I trust homer and so far everything he has done has benefitted the Flyers very very well.

If you can get a good return for JVR, You make the deal. We can trade JVR and not get hurt, where if we got schenn and Kadri or another prospect we add to the depth and get a young Dman signed for quite awhile. I trust homer and so far everything he has done has benefitted the Flyers very very well.
- bigmookalookie

That's how I feel...I'm not eager to trade JvR. But if the return is good enough, then you do what helps the team.

What do you think Columbus would want back from Toronto?
- stveshdy

a bunch

all is well here, hope the same can be said for you guys. maybe we need to have a tailgate soon... been a while since i drank booze from the back of your truck
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Been thinking that very thing myself. I will start trying to find a weekend game I can get up there for. It's been a while.

I don't buy that for a second. Did Kadri not have a small frame when they drafted him, or did he suddenly develop a small frame, that has caused Toronto to sour on him. The Media is rarely a good source of a team souring on a player. What is the logjam of defensive prospects that Schenn is caught up in? Players at 21 or 22 don't always have a complete game, and have areas that need to be improved upon in their play.
- MJL

I wish I could develop a small frame.

I wish I could develop a small frame.
- flyguy12

Same here.