There are a handful of players I would rather see the Penguins take a run at over Iginla.

Chris Stewart might be available from the Blues. He's not 35, plays a similar game to Iginla and isn't coming it at $7M. He has struggled this season but a new location and chance to play with one of Crosby, Malkin or Staal might get him going.

Ryan Malone, I know he's been discussed but again, not old, same style and cheaper. Plus he is familiar with the core of the Penguins already.

And if the team is breaking the bank, go after Parise. If he is willing to sign that is, the high price would be worth it.
- Ben37

Ok but I'd rather have iggy at his cap hit for 2 years than Malone who is turning 32 for 3 years or whatever it costs. Parise is a gamble similar to Hossa with FA around the corner.

Ok but I'd rather have iggy at his cap hit for 2 years than Malone who is turning 32 for 3 years or whatever it costs. Parise is a gamble similar to Hossa with FA around the corner.
- dbell646

Why on earth would we want any of them? Parise is, by far, the best of the bunch, but I'd be rather reluctant to send so much to a division rival for a rental player. Those are the type of deals that can haunt a team for a decade or so.

Ok but I'd rather have iggy at his cap hit for 2 years than Malone who is turning 32 for 3 years or whatever it costs. Parise is a gamble similar to Hossa with FA around the corner.
- dbell646

I don't know. I think Malone would fit better than Iggy would. At least cap wise. If cap isn't an issue, obviously you take Iginla hands down. It is a heck of a lot easier to make Malone fit into our current roster than Iginla. Maybe you can change my mind, how would you make Iginla's contract work with our current roster?

Edit:Let's assume Crosby, Staal, and Despres are healthy again at some point this year. Asham out for the year, as I think that is going to be the case with him.

Good luck to you. No one is saying he isn't a good player. Sorry if no one is willing to give up our top prospect plus for an old player with 2 years left at 7 mill when we have to guys who make 8.7
- dbell646

And that's fine, I never thought Pittsburgh would really need Iginla anyway, your deadline "acquisitions" will likely just be getting Crosby and Staal back. Doesn't mean Jay Feaster won't be able to trick a few of the other 28 GMs into a bidding war to drive up the price.

I don't know. I think Malone would fit better than Iggy would. At least cap wise. If cap isn't an issue, obviously you take Iginla hands down. It is a heck of a lot easier to make Malone fit into our current roster than Iginla. Maybe you can change my mind, how would you make Iginla's contract work with our current roster?

Edit:Let's assume Crosby, Staal, and Despres are healthy again at some point this year. Asham out for the year, as I think that is going to be the case with him.
- PensFan1103

I have no clue but it would have to fit for a shorter period.

And that's fine, I never thought Pittsburgh would really need Iginla anyway, your deadline "acquisitions" will likely just be getting Crosby and Staal back. Doesn't mean Jay Feaster won't be able to trick a few of the other 28 GMs into a bidding war to drive up the price.
- hitman19

I'm sure he will get good package IF he trades him. He has to can you imagine if he got fleeced for a legend? It would look like Vancouver after the finals up there. I love Iggy one of the classiest players in the league. Hope you guys get a huge overpayment from someone.

I don't know. I think Malone would fit better than Iggy would. At least cap wise. If cap isn't an issue, obviously you take Iginla hands down. It is a heck of a lot easier to make Malone fit into our current roster than Iginla. Maybe you can change my mind, how would you make Iginla's contract work with our current roster?

Edit:Let's assume Crosby, Staal, and Despres are healthy again at some point this year. Asham out for the year, as I think that is going to be the case with him.
- PensFan1103

When healthy, Despres will be sent down to WBS to save each and every penny of Cap space. He may have earned a roster spot with his play, but he doesn't have to pass through waiver so that is the way it'll be. Like Jeffrey last year.

When healthy, Despres will be sent down to WBS to save each and every penny of Cap space. He may have earned a roster spot with his play, but he doesn't have to pass through waiver so that is the way it'll be. Like Jeffrey last year.
- s0rcerer1984

Yeah if we aren't trading any of our defenseman, which I don't think is entirely ruled out, I agree.

I have another question pertaining to Despres though. Last year because of Tangradi's time playing up and his subsequent concussion, he wasn't able to play in the AHL playoffs. Does anyone know how many games you have play to be eligible? And when does Despres need to be sent back down in time to be eligible? I could see a scenario where he stays up if he is not eligible to play down there.

Yeah if we aren't trading any of our defenseman, which I don't think is entirely ruled out, I agree.

I have another question pertaining to Despres though. Last year because of Tangradi's time playing up and his subsequent concussion, he wasn't able to play in the AHL playoffs. Does anyone know how many games you have play to be eligible? And when does Despres need to be sent back down in time to be eligible? I could see a scenario where he stays up if he is not eligible to play down there.
- PensFan1103

Nevermind, I found the answer I was looking for. It wasn't because of games played. There is a rule that says any player on an NHL roster at the trade deadline is ineligible for the Calder Cup playoffs. So Despres must be sent back down before February 27.

Nevermind, I found the answer I was looking for. It wasn't because of games played. There is a rule that says any player on an NHL roster at the trade deadline is ineligible for the Calder Cup playoffs. So Despres must be sent back down before February 27.
- PensFan1103

They really should have some sort of injury exemption for players sent down after the February 27 deadline. Last year the only reason Tangradi wasn't down in WBS was that he was injured and couldn't be sent down; shame to see the same thing happen to Despres have him miss out on some good experience.

This team doesn't need another star so why would they sacrifice anything to get one? Pick up a gritty in your face winger (someone mentioned Burish- perfect) and a big lug on the back end to clear the crease.

To Dallas- Lovejoy & Tangradi
To Pitt- Burish and Grossman

Get 87 and 11 back and let's get it on.

edit- this is Dallas, after the Neal trade maybe RS could convince them to include Benn

They really should have some sort of injury exemption for players sent down after the February 27 deadline. Last year the only reason Tangradi wasn't down in WBS was that he was injured and couldn't be sent down; shame to see the same thing happen to Despres have him miss out on some good experience.
- s0rcerer1984

Same with Johnson last year.

This team doesn't need another star so why would they sacrifice anything to get one? Pick up a gritty in your face winger (someone mentioned Burish- perfect) and a big lug on the back end to clear the crease.

To Dallas- Lovejoy & Tangradi
To Pitt- Burish and Grossman

Get 87 and 11 back and let's get it on.

edit- this is Dallas, after the Neal trade maybe RS could convince them to include Benn
- canadianpenfan

Salary wouldn't work. Burish and Grossman, $2.8 Million. Lovejoy and Tangradi, $1.35 Million.

Salary wouldn't work. Burish and Grossman, $2.8 Million. Lovejoy and Tangradi, $1.35 Million.
- PensFan1103

How much were we under the cap not including Sid's and Staals LTIR room? It almost seems safe to say we can use ashams. Plus O'reilly's money has to be less than whoever they send down to keep him up since we are only responsible for 25%

Not for nothing but that deal is fair from the Calgary standpoint. Top 4 d man, top 9 forward, and the organizations top prospect. What more could you ask for? This isnt a 30 year old Iginla.

Personally I don't think an Iginla trade is wise for the Penguins because I would not feel comfortable giving up a piece like Morrow. Morrow and Despres are our saftey net for if Letang prices himself out of town with his new deal. Not worth parting with those rookie contracts and potential for a 35 year old forward who carries a stiff cap hit.

Our major parts of our roster don't need tinkering if they are healthy. Size in the bottom 6 is our need at the present moment. Iginla while a great player, does not really make sense from a cost standpoint in both the assets we would have to give up and the cap hit, just my opinion.
- Gunner Staal

factor in you're getting a leader that only one other player in the league probably brings in more revenue from canada (commercials, endorsements). Player for player is only half of whats holding up the instant Iginla trade. Its a bigger business move then that.

factor in you're getting a leader that only one other player in the league probably brings in more revenue from canada (commercials, endorsements). Player for player is only half of whats holding up the instant Iginla trade. Its a bigger business move then that.
- numbear

That might be a fair factor for Calgary, but it wouldn't really be a big factor for Pittsburgh. He would be overshadowed by Crosby here in Pittsburgh as far as that is concerned.

JT: I don't think the Pens have a fit for Iginla. He's an iconic player in Calgary and if the Flames don't get someone to essentially overpay, there will be a riot. Shero is NOT going to overpay, so I think its a moot point.

What the Pens really need is some secondary scoring from a guy in the Ryan Malone mold or at the very least a forward in the Mike Rupp mold who brings some grit and sand paper to the table, especially since Asham once again can't seem to get healthy. (I've long thought Shero made a rare mistake in letting Rupper get away. They miss him badly on the bottom six)

I think its far more likely the Pens package some combination of Kennedy, a draft pick, and of of the other young WBS d men (Sneep, Bortuzzo etc) for a couple players along those lines.

*edit* Also forgot to mention, that the Pens aren't going to target Ignila, specifically BECAUSE his salary will be on the books an extra year, and that money needs to go to Neal.

How much were we under the cap not including Sid's and Staals LTIR room? It almost seems safe to say we can use ashams. Plus O'reilly's money has to be less than whoever they send down to keep him up since we are only responsible for 25%
- dbell646

Not really sure how the O'Reilly thing works. I know we are only responsible for half of his remaining salary, but is that only for what he is being paid or does that translate to the cap hit as well? I wouldn't think that would translate to the cap hit, but it might. Capgeek hasn't updated it yet to include O'Reilly so I am not sure. But before O'Reilly and probably after like you said he will be pretty close to a straight swap for whoever is sent down, we had roughly $400,000 in cap space. Which if we were to trade for someone today we could sign someone making roughly $1,100,000, so for example, Adam Burish. If we waited until trade deadline day to make a trade we would be able to sign someone for roughly $1,600,000, so for example, Niklas Grossman. So in theory, if we waited until Deadline day, we would have enough space to make up for the difference in that trade.

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well this thread got out of hand quick and by that i mean you guys posted some long a$$ responses and im to lazy to read them ... haha

4 day weekend for this guy

well this thread got out of hand quick and by that i mean you guys posted some long a$$ responses and im to lazy to read them ... haha

4 day weekend for this guy
- nh4442

Hemsky: this is how I will start all my posts so I know you read them. This doesn't necessarily apply to you NH but sign me up for burrish. Shero will get something that will satisfy all of us outside of Sid and staal

Wow just saw the replay of Columbus la. If I was a Columbus fan I'd be furious

Hemsky: this is how I will start all my posts so I know you read them. This doesn't necessarily apply to you NH but sign me up for burrish. Shero will get something that will satisfy all of us outside of Sid and staal
- dbell646

i would say iggy> hemsky at deadline if we didnt have to give away alot... but i think his price will be too high while hemskys price will be just right bc of nay-sayers thinking he wont flourish... which i think he will on a contender

The pens were very fortunate in past trades when supposed top tier prospects actually flamed out, i.e. Angelo Esposito and Luca Caputi. You keep trading your top prospects and you are likely going to get burned eventually. With Letang and Orpik becoming free agents in the near future, you can't afford to dangle Morrow...even for someone like Jerome.

The pens were very fortunate in past trades when supposed top tier prospects actually flamed out, i.e. Angelo Esposito and Luca Caputi. You keep trading your top prospects and you are likely going to get burned eventually. With Letang and Orpik becoming free agents in the near future, you can't afford to dangle Morrow...even for someone like Jerome.
- pghbirdman

I dont think we were fortunate with Esposito--there were concerns about him when he was drafted which is why he fell to the Pens in the first place. From all the reports, he had a poor work ethic and I think some off the ice issues. I agree on not dealing Morrow, but I also think Shero knew exactly what he was unloading when he sent Espo packing to Atlanta.