Iggy is the type of player that will put your team over the top. He plays a complete game, and instantly puts size and grit into your top six without sacrificing any of the skill requirements of the position.

The packages on here are very low offers, which is fine because pittsburgh healthy can compete with anyone, but it also makes an iggy trade a pipedream, and it's sort of disrespectful to a surefire hall of famer.

The guy is 35, not 39, and is on pace for another roughly 30G/30A season playing with total scrubs, and basically putting that abysmal roster on his back and willing them into playoff contention as the captain.

If you want a guy like that, you pay. We'd be talking more along the lines of:

Martin/Michalek
Kennedy/Kunitz
Morrow/Despres
1st/2nd round pick (depending on which player in the first two options goes)

Or, you could take out the bottom three items and throw in Staal and a third, which would be dumb from the pens part but it is what it would take.

If you want to trade a steady but unspectacular defenceman and a 2nd/3rd line grit player (which calgary's whole fwd corps is already basically) for iginla, you need to actually add some value in at the end, which is not one of tangradi or morrow.

Do you not remember what Hossa cost? Sure, he was younger, but he was an impending UFA....it was your top prospect, your 1st rnd pick, and two tyler kennedy/kunitz types, for those who have forgotten.
- TommyDeVito

Colby Armstrong and Eric Christensen were nowhere near the players Kennedy and Martin are. Angelo Esposito was nowhere near the caliber prospect of Morrow. The draft pick was pretty much a guaranteed bottom 5 pick. We also got Dupuis in that deal. Hossa being a UFA was beneficial compared to Iginla at an extra year at $7 Million. The two deals aren't even close. Try again.

Morrow is a solid prospect, but he's not one of those "can't miss" prospects. For a plyer like Iginla, if your gonna have to build around a prospect, its gonna have to be a guy like Gudbranson or D. Hamilton.
- BleedingHabs

Morrow almost made this roster out of training camp. He would of for most teams in the league. Pens have a very solid top 4 and didn't want the kid playing 6 minutes a game on the bottom pairing. I believe as a defenseman he is almost a point per game player right now in jr's. Not saying he is the next Lidstrom but guys that show like that in their 1st training camp with his pedegree I don't trade for 35 year old players.

Morrow is a solid prospect, but he's not one of those "can't miss" prospects. For a plyer like Iginla, if your gonna have to build around a prospect, its gonna have to be a guy like Gudbranson or D. Hamilton.
- BleedingHabs

What makes those guys "cant miss" any more than Morrow? Morrow almost made the team out of camp this year.

Penguins are set on impact players when they are healthy.

No sense in going into any more depth on the topic. I pretty much already laid out why the assets going to Calgary and the cap hit of Iginla coming in make little sense to the Pittsburgh Penguins.

What makes those guys "cant miss" any more than Morrow? Morrow almost made the team out of camp this year.

Penguins are set on impact players when they are healthy.
- Gunner Staal

This is fun.

What makes those guys "cant miss" any more than Morrow? Morrow almost made the team out of camp this year.

Penguins are set on impact players when they are healthy.

No sense in going into any more depth on the topic. I pretty much already laid out why the assets going to Calgary and the cap hit of Iginla coming in make little sense to the Pittsburgh Penguins.
- Gunner Staal[/quote]
Exactly. I will just hold out hope that when Iggy becomes a free agent in the summer of 2013 that he will consider Pittsburgh on a more reasonable salary.

Hossa and Kovalchuk were rental players, they had expiring contracts, that's why they went for less. Iginla is still near a point-per-game player, so his $7m cap hit is still justified, and if we were to trade him, we'd likely get a hell of a lot back in exchange.
- hitman19

yes, but unlike Iginla, those 2 weren't well into their 30s... i am not saying that iginla is a bad player. i am saying that i think a lot of flames fans are going to be disappointed when they see the return they get for him if they trade him...

EK has Burrish as possibly being available in the main blog. Any thoughts on him? I'd take him at the right price.

Hossa and Kovalchuk were rental players, they had expiring contracts, that's why they went for less. Iginla is still near a point-per-game player, so his $7m cap hit is still justified, and if we were to trade him, we'd likely get a hell of a lot back in exchange.
- hitman19

They were also in their primes. 35 yr old with a 7mil cap hit for another year or a premier goal scorer in their prime. Seems like a wash to me.

They were also in their primes. 35 yr old with a 7mil cap hit for another year or a premier goal scorer in their prime. Seems like a wash to me.
- Rawdog9755

It is a wash, which is why the returns should be similar.

Here go give Calgary Karlson Michalek and a 1st. And there you go you got IGGY
- dbell646

A clever rebuttal

Colby Armstrong and Eric Christensen were nowhere near the players Kennedy and Martin are. Angelo Esposito was nowhere near the caliber prospect of Morrow. The draft pick was pretty much a guaranteed bottom 5 pick. We also got Dupuis in that deal. Hossa being a UFA was beneficial compared to Iginla at an extra year at $7 Million. The two deals aren't even close. Try again.
- PensFan1103

Your right. One was for an expiring contract and Iginla is signed past this year. Historically, that drives up the price because you get more use out of the asset. Also, Hossa wasn't going to resign in Atlanta, which meant Waddell was under pressure to get something for him. Iginla seems pretty happy to play in Calgary for the rest of his career, so you'd have to convince Feaster to let him go.

What makes those guys "cant miss" any more than Morrow? Morrow almost made the team out of camp this year.
- Gunner Staal

Morrow almost made this roster out of training camp. He would of for most teams in the league. Pens have a very solid top 4 and didn't want the kid playing 6 minutes a game on the bottom pairing. I believe as a defenseman he is almost a point per game player right now in jr's. Not saying he is the next Lidstrom but guys that show like that in their 1st training camp with his pedegree I don't trade for 35 year old players.
- dbell646

It's matter of scouting and comparisons to other prospects. Do you watch the Winterhawks play at all? I do. He's very good, but also plays on a stacked team. Points don't always translate well form the CHL to higher leagues, especially in high scoring leagues like the WHL. I think he'll be a very good NHLer, probably a good 2nd line pairing guy, but he was drafted were he was for a reason and that hasn't changed. If you watched the team Canada WJ Camp scrimmages, you could see that he was a step or 2 behind quite a few of his peers, including Hamilton . Gudbranson is in the NHL and Hamilton didn't make it for the same reason a lot of other highly ranked prospects didn't, depth and development. Its and admittedly small window, but Morrow didn't make the WJC, did he?

It is a wash, which is why the returns should be similar.
- TommyDeVito

I wouldnt trade Neal or Staal straight up for Iggy so why anybody thinks they need to be involved in a larger package to get him is absurd. Somebody mentioned the number of buyers versus sellers this year too. Doesnt matter if Iggy will only wave his NTC/NMC to go to a specific # of teams.

Colby Armstrong and Eric Christensen were nowhere near the players Kennedy and Martin are. Angelo Esposito was nowhere near the caliber prospect of Morrow. The draft pick was pretty much a guaranteed bottom 5 pick. We also got Dupuis in that deal. Hossa being a UFA was beneficial compared to Iginla at an extra year at $7 Million. The two deals aren't even close. Try again.
- PensFan1103

Armstrong and Christensen were not as good as kennedy, but the difference isn't huge. Martin is a better player also, but costs more than he's worth - a big hit value-wise in a cap era. These were two young guys only 1 or 2 seasons into their careers, expected to improve - Kennedy will never again reach last years totals and Martin is a known quantity. Basically, the thrashers banked on potential.

Angelo Esposito was EXACTLY the caliber prospect of Morrow at the time of the deal. He was projected as a B level, top 6 center prospect. I'm confident Morrow will be a good defenceman, but its no guarantee.

And just because you don't feel like Iggy's extra year is worth 7 mill doesn't mean other teams won't. The man is worth every penny, and GM's in this league know it.

I should also add that Calgary would likely be sending more than just Iggy to get what I had above, it wouldn't be just him coming back. Maybe a 2nd rounder and/or another young fwd for that package.

Our trade deadline acquisitions are coming in the form of 87 and 11.

A clever rebuttal
- TommyDeVito

Just saying would you be willing to overpay for Iggy no and neither would we. We feel any deal include Despres or Morrow isn't worth it. Love Iggy as a player and I'd love to see him in a Pens uni but I don't think that hit and those pieces help us in the long run. We want to make runs for years to come not win now at the cost of the future.

Our trade deadline acquisitions are coming in the form of 87 and 11.
- Gunner Staal

Yeah but gunner we aren't going to give up enough to get them.

I wouldnt trade Neal or Staal straight up for Iggy so why anybody thinks they need to be involved in a larger package to get him is absurd. Somebody mentioned the number of buyers versus sellers this year too. Doesnt matter if Iggy will only wave his NTC/NMC to go to a specific # of teams.
- Rawdog9755

I wouldn't either if I'm pittsburgh, but that has no bearing on what needs to be involved from a calgary side.

The bolded part is where we're differing - I'm saying what Iggy would cost, and you're saying what pittsburgh would want to give up. Not the same.

Yeah but gunner we aren't going to give up enough to get them.
- dbell646

Screw it, we have O'Reilly anyways

Just saying would you be willing to overpay for Iggy no and neither would we. We feel any deal include Despres or Morrow isn't worth it. Love Iggy as a player and I'd love to see him in a Pens uni but I don't think that hit and those pieces help us in the long run. We want to make runs for years to come not win now at the cost of the future.
- dbell646

No! and I said that, damnit!

I'm just telling anyone who thinks those packages are enough for iggy that they are not, and showing them what it would cost, with my entire point being that Pitt should not and would not trade for iggy.

Fair?

Screw it, we have O'Reilly anyways
- Gunner Staal

He will fill that number 2 role better than anyone we have on IR

There are a handful of players I would rather see the Penguins take a run at over Iginla.

Chris Stewart might be available from the Blues. He's not 35, plays a similar game to Iginla and isn't coming it at $7M. He has struggled this season but a new location and chance to play with one of Crosby, Malkin or Staal might get him going.

Ryan Malone, I know he's been discussed but again, not old, same style and cheaper. Plus he is familiar with the core of the Penguins already.

And if the team is breaking the bank, go after Parise. If he is willing to sign that is, the high price would be worth it.

No! and I said that, damnit!

I'm just telling anyone who thinks those packages are enough for iggy that they are not, and showing them what it would cost, with my entire point being that Pitt should not and would not trade for iggy.

Fair?
- TommyDeVito

Fair and only because Calgary can't lose any trade that involves Iggy. We just aren't a good trade partner with them for that particular player.

Honestly, unless the salary cap goes up by about +$7mil this offseason I can't see the Penguins wanting Iginlia, period.

I mean, who would you rather have on the Penguins next year - James Neal or Jerome Iginlia? Given the Cap you likely won't be able to have both, so i'd go with the younger player who is already in the system and has 27G so far this year.

I wouldn't either if I'm pittsburgh, but that has no bearing on what needs to be involved from a calgary side.

The bolded part is where we're differing - I'm saying what Iggy would cost, and you're saying what pittsburgh would want to give up. Not the same.
- TommyDeVito

Calgary has to admit at some point that the rebuild has to start eventually. They will get more for Iginla this season then they will at the next trade deadline. They can't risk losing him to free agency because he realizes that a cup would be nice and the Flames are nowhere near one.

What needs to be involved from the Calgary side, is getting some players who aren't looking into retirement homes.

No! and I said that, damnit!

I'm just telling anyone who thinks those packages are enough for iggy that they are not, and showing them what it would cost, with my entire point being that Pitt should not and would not trade for iggy.

Fair?
- TommyDeVito

We agree that Pittsburgh is not a good fit tradewise for Iginla. We do not agree on how much Iginla is going to pull in. I don't think he would get close to a Top 4 d-man, a top 9 winger, a top prospect, and a 1st rd pick. And if any team did give that up they would be hosed for a while.