What would the cost of Ruutu actually be though? A secound rounder and a depth player? Perhaps a move worth making given your depth of young impact players.
- willey101

Probably higher given the amount of teams that are buyers, and Ruutu being one of the best options.

I'd do Kennedy, Martin, Tangradi and a draft pick.

I wouldn't trade Morrow or Despres. They are the future of the Penguins defense core.

Kennedy can score, but seems a bit snakebitten this season. A change might do him some good. He has good speed, great energy, and he's a tough little guy.

Martin isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. Yeah, he doesn't produce offensively what he was supposed to, but he's a veteran defenseman.

Tangradi is an enigma. He has a lot of potential but doesn't seem to be showing it in Pittsburgh. He has value now, but he won't for too much longer if he doesn't show something. Who knows, maybe Calgary has the coaching or seasoned players on bench who can unlock his potential.

I think that's a fair trade. Pittsburgh unloads Martin and Kennedy's salary, throws in Tangradi as prospect fodder, a draft pick for good measure, for an aging Iginla. They get a young wing, a veteran defenseman, an "on the cusp" netfront presence, and a pick. Seems fair to me.
- simethos

The Flames would hang up the phone so fast.

Don't flame, just wondering;

Michalek, Morrow/Despres, Tangradi, 1st/2nd

for

Iginla

Give or take? More money would have to go to Calgary I think, so a couple extra pieces added. I'd think Despres is/should be off limits.

I'd do Kennedy, Martin, Tangradi and a draft pick.

I wouldn't trade Morrow or Despres. They are the future of the Penguins defense core.

Kennedy can score, but seems a bit snakebitten this season. A change might do him some good. He has good speed, great energy, and he's a tough little guy.

Martin isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. Yeah, he doesn't produce offensively what he was supposed to, but he's a veteran defenseman.

Tangradi is an enigma. He has a lot of potential but doesn't seem to be showing it in Pittsburgh. He has value now, but he won't for too much longer if he doesn't show something. Who knows, maybe Calgary has the coaching or seasoned players on bench who can unlock his potential.

I think that's a fair trade. Pittsburgh unloads Martin and Kennedy's salary, throws in Tangradi as prospect fodder, a draft pick for good measure, for an aging Iginla. They get a young wing, a veteran defenseman, an "on the cusp" netfront presence, and a pick. Seems fair to me.
- simethos

LOL in the same paragraph, you say Penguins get to unload two players and throw in a piece of fodder, yet the Flames are getting a young wing, vet d-man, "on the cusp" net front presence, and a pick. Which is it? If Pittsburgh views those players as you said in the first sentence, why would Calgary see it the second way?

Probably higher given the amount of teams that are buyers, and Ruutu being one of the best options.
- Gunner Staal

So go for Kostitsyn here in Montreal. Alot of talk that he'll be dealt. Good 20-30 goal scorer, strong as a tank but a little inconsistent. . Maybe look for a Kosttysn and Gill in exchange for a 2nd and a player like a Lovejoy or Engelland.

Something along those lines.

Don't flame, just wondering;

Michalek, Morrow/Despres, Tangradi, 1st/2nd

for

Iginla

Give or take? More money would have to go to Calgary I think, so a couple extra pieces added. I'd think Despres is/should be off limits.
- wynne9

Iginla to the Pens regardless of who we give up doesn't make sense to me. Its not worth the cap hit.

Would rather sign Iginla as a free agent in 2 years.

LOL in the same paragraph, you say Penguins get to unload two players and throw in a piece of fodder, yet the Flames are getting a young wing, vet d-man, "on the cusp" net front presence, and a pick. Which is it? If Pittsburgh views those players as you said in the first sentence, why would Calgary see it the second way?
- isles10289

I said unload the salaries. I didn't say unload the player. I personally have no problems with Kennedy or Martin as players. Kennedy isn't scoring as of late, but I know he can. Hell, he was the only scoring last season while Malkin and Crosby were down due to injury.

Martin is a serviceable defenseman who isn't nearly as bad as people in Pittsburgh seem to think he is. They just hate his salary cap hit.

Tangradi I called fodder because he's so damn up and down. He has potential but he never capitalizes. Every year, a team takes a risk on a player that another team has given up on. I think Tangradi and Pittsburgh should go their separate ways. I said, maybe Calgary would be the team to see something in him and/or believe they can put him in the right place and make a player out of him.

That's what I meant.

Right now, I think we need grit more than we need a guy like Iginla. That being said, regardless of whether or not the Pens trade for Iginla this season, I think the idea of seeing him in black and gold in the near future makes a lot of sense. Iggy will be retiring in the next 4-8 years. I will admit that I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to current Flames prospects, but Calgary does not appear to be a legitimate cup contender in the next 5 years. Pittsburgh, however, has a legitimate chance to win the cup any season in the next 4-8 years (especially if Sid is okay). Iginla is a legend. 500+ goals, two gold medals...but no cup. His next contract will be a 35+ contract. I think the Pens should legitimately consider the idea of Iginla finishing his career in Pittsburgh.

If Iginla was dealt it would be for a Kings ransom and quite a few teams would offer a heck of alot.

So if this became a bidding war you can guarantee that one of Neal or Staal will be dealt.
- willey101

Why would we give up Neal or Staal? Both have better cap hits and when healthy are just as productive not to mention much younger. Not sure why people think it is going to take a kings ransom for Iginla. Look at some more recent large trades involving high profile players--Hossa, Kovalchuk....those werent kings ransoms.

Not for nothing but that deal is fair from the Calgary standpoint. Top 4 d man, top 9 forward, and the organizations top prospect. What more could you ask for? This isnt a 30 year old Iginla.

Personally I don't think an Iginla trade is wise for the Penguins because I would not feel comfortable giving up a piece like Morrow. Morrow and Despres are our saftey net for if Letang prices himself out of town with his new deal. Not worth parting with those rookie contracts and potential for a 35 year old forward who carries a stiff cap hit.

Our major parts of our roster don't need tinkering if they are healthy. Size in the bottom 6 is our need at the present moment. Iginla while a great player, does not really make sense from a cost standpoint in both the assets we would have to give up and the cap hit, just my opinion.
- Gunner Staal

I agree with you completely. Iginla is a great player but at this stage in his career with that cap hit for 2 years I wouldn't be interested.

Don't flame, just wondering;

Michalek, Morrow/Despres, Tangradi, 1st/2nd

for

Iginla

Give or take? More money would have to go to Calgary I think, so a couple extra pieces added. I'd think Despres is/should be off limits.
- wynne9

I would have to pass in a heartbeat on that. Despres and Morrow are both off limits in my book. Can't really see anything the Pens getting back being worth giving up either of those two. As much as I love Iginla, I think people are overvaluing him. He is not the same player he was in the past, and his cap hit reflects his play from the past, not what he can currently do. He had a bit of a resurgence last year topping the 40 goal mark, but he is on pace for the 30 - 35 range that he was the prior two years. Which is more of where I think he should be at this point in his career. Not really worth overpaying the $7 Million and then throwing a top defensive prospect in on top of that.

1. Shero already said he isn't trading Despres, Morrow, Harrington, or Bennett.
2. Confused why all of the Leafs fans are trolling our page. worry about your own team.
3. We don't need Iginla
4. We can't afford him considering we need to resign Neal in the offseason
5. We could use some depth on defense, toughness, a face off guy, and maybe someone like Hemsky if we can get him cheap.

no point in trading pieces away for Iginla. we do need to look to trade Martin but this isn't the time.

Don't flame, just wondering;

Michalek, Morrow/Despres, Tangradi, 1st/2nd

for

Iginla

Give or take? More money would have to go to Calgary I think, so a couple extra pieces added. I'd think Despres is/should be off limits.
- wynne9

no way. if you take out the Morrow/Despres, i'd say there would be a chance. but shero wouldn't do something like that.

Why would we give up Neal or Staal? Both have better cap hits and when healthy are just as productive not to mention much younger. Not sure why people think it is going to take a kings ransom for Iginla. Look at some more recent large trades involving high profile players--Hossa, Kovalchuk....those werent kings ransoms.
- Rawdog9755

Hossa and Kovalchuk were rental players, they had expiring contracts, that's why they went for less. Iginla is still near a point-per-game player, so his $7m cap hit is still justified, and if we were to trade him, we'd likely get a hell of a lot back in exchange.

Your going to have to offer a better centerpiece than Martin. My guess is Neal or Staal would have to go the other way. If Iginla was on the market, I guarantee other teams would have more attractive offers. Its a moot point though, since after he traded for Cammy, Feaster said they were pushing for the playoffs and he would not be entertaining offers for Iginla.

Hossa and Kovalchuk were rental players, they had expiring contracts, that's why they went for less. Iginla is still near a point-per-game player, so his $7m cap hit is still justified, and if we were to trade him, we'd likely get a hell of a lot back in exchange.
- hitman19

To be honest this is a case where Iginla NOT having an expiring contract is a negative when talking about any potential Pittsburgh deal.

Your going to have to offer a better centerpiece than Martin. My guess is Neal or Staal would have to go the other way. Its a moot point though, since after he traded for Cammy, Feaster said they were pushing for the playoffs and he would not be entertaining offers for Iginla.
- BleedingHabs

Morrow would be the centerpiece of that deal anyhow.

Iggy is the type of player that will put your team over the top. He plays a complete game, and instantly puts size and grit into your top six without sacrificing any of the skill requirements of the position.

The packages on here are very low offers, which is fine because pittsburgh healthy can compete with anyone, but it also makes an iggy trade a pipedream, and it's sort of disrespectful to a surefire hall of famer.

The guy is 35, not 39, and is on pace for another roughly 30G/30A season playing with total scrubs, and basically putting that abysmal roster on his back and willing them into playoff contention as the captain.

If you want a guy like that, you pay. We'd be talking more along the lines of:

Martin/Michalek
Kennedy/Kunitz
Morrow/Despres
1st/2nd round pick (depending on which player in the first two options goes)

Or, you could take out the bottom three items and throw in Staal and a third, which would be dumb from the pens part but it is what it would take.

If you want to trade a steady but unspectacular defenceman and a 2nd/3rd line grit player (which calgary's whole fwd corps is already basically) for iginla, you need to actually add some value in at the end, which is not one of tangradi or morrow.

Do you not remember what Hossa cost? Sure, he was younger, but he was an impending UFA....it was your top prospect, your 1st rnd pick, and two tyler kennedy/kunitz types, for those who have forgotten.

Hossa and Kovalchuk were rental players, they had expiring contracts, that's why they went for less. Iginla is still near a point-per-game player, so his $7m cap hit is still justified, and if we were to trade him, we'd likely get a hell of a lot back in exchange.
- hitman19

Good luck to you. No one is saying he isn't a good player. Sorry if no one is willing to give up our top prospect plus for an old player with 2 years left at 7 mill when we have to guys who make 8.7

Your going to have to offer a better centerpiece than Martin. My guess is Neal or Staal would have to go the other way. If Iginla was on the market, I guarantee other teams would have more attractive offers. Its a moot point though, since after he traded for Cammy, Feaster said they were pushing for the playoffs and he would not be entertaining offers for Iginla.
- BleedingHabs

I'd rather have Neal and Staal at their cap hits and in their primes.

Why would we give up Neal or Staal? Both have better cap hits and when healthy are just as productive not to mention much younger. Not sure why people think it is going to take a kings ransom for Iginla. Look at some more recent large trades involving high profile players--Hossa, Kovalchuk....those werent kings ransoms.
- Rawdog9755

People think it because it will happen. First the issue of supply and demand. many buyers and few sellers. Looks at what Dustin Penner was dealt for last season.

As for the trades of Hossa and Kovalchuk, look at what was involved.

Kovalchuk: Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier and a 1st. Now Cormier was highly regarded because of his team Canada stint. Bergfors was a top rated prospect, and a 1st round pick.

Hossa: Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen. Esposito was a top ranked prospect, Armstrong looked to be a staple as a 2nd line forward and Christensen was on the raise.

You cannot look at what became of players but what they were at the time of the trade. If Iginla is dealt it is either going to cost you one of your young forwards like Staal or Neal or it will cost a package wit5h top prospects, top picks and more.

Iggy is the type of player that will put your team over the top. He plays a complete game, and instantly puts size and grit into your top six without sacrificing any of the skill requirements of the position.

The packages on here are very low offers, which is fine because pittsburgh healthy can compete with anyone, but it also makes an iggy trade a pipedream, and it's sort of disrespectful to a surefire hall of famer.

The guy is 35, not 39, and is on pace for another roughly 30G/30A season playing with total scrubs, and basically putting that abysmal roster on his back and willing them into playoff contention as the captain.

If you want a guy like that, you pay. We'd be talking more along the lines of:

Martin/Michalek
Kennedy/Kunitz
Morrow/Despres
1st/2nd round pick (depending on which player in the first two options goes)

Or, you could take out the bottom three items and throw in Staal and a third, which would be dumb from the pens part but it is what it would take.

If you want to trade a steady but unspectacular defenceman and a 2nd/3rd line grit player (which calgary's whole fwd corps is already basically) for iginla, you need to actually add some value in at the end, which is not one of tangradi or morrow.

Do you not remember what Hossa cost? Sure, he was younger, but he was an impending UFA....it was your top prospect, your 1st rnd pick, and two tyler kennedy/kunitz types, for those who have forgotten.
- TommyDeVito

Here go give Calgary Karlson Michalek and a 1st. And there you go you got IGGY

Iginla for Martin, Kennedy and Morrow

You gotta think Feaster would be able to get a more attractive package than that for Iginla, but if the rumours are true, Iginla's NTC will greatly tie his hands as to where he can deal him.

That being said, if Feaster does decide to deal Iginla, rest assured he better get a king's ransom or Flames fans will burn down the city (no pun intended.)
- Urethra Franklin

Totally agree. I think Washington would be just as motivated & mortified at the thought of Iggy going to Pitt. They have a pretty good cap equalizer in Semin & 2 first rounders Feaster would drool over. Iggy has really ramped his game. Dont forget, he hasnt had a guy like Malkin or Crosby to play with either. I have no doubt he can be a player that can be a difference maker in a cup run. I cant imagine how good he would be in a Selanne type of role. So probably Martin/Morrow/Kennedy & at least a 1st rounder would need to be part of that conversation. That said, as much as Iggy would go to Pitt, I dont think that would be our best deal. We would need a real overwhelming deal to justify trading our Captain & franchise face.

Morrow would be the centerpiece of that deal anyhow.
- Gunner Staal

Morrow is a solid prospect, but he's not one of those "can't miss" prospects. For a plyer like Iginla, if your gonna have to build around a prospect, its gonna have to be a guy like Gudbranson or D. Hamilton.